Oh boy: Rumsfeld: Criticism of Bush Strengthens U.S. Foes

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Originally Posted by Calliander

I don't understand what is outlandish about what he said. Maybe I'm missing something? Nothing in that text you quoted in your prior post was anything that requires any factual backup because it's either well-known or opinion.

What does he need to deliver a source for?

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Saddam´s links with al Queda for instance.
The terorist training camps and meeting of officials.

Her made more unsubstantiated, unproven and disproven claims in this thread and spouts them as if they are fact.

Probably why he never gives a source for anything.

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Saddam´s links with al Queda for instance.
The terorist training camps and meeting of officials.

Her made more unsubstantiated, unproven and disproven claims in this thread and spouts them as if they are fact.

Probably why he never gives a source for anything.

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Maybe so, but just a simple, "Source please?" for that will do. I asked DOVESKI to prove me wrong about the Washington Post thing and he did. Nice and easy.

You have to remember though, that for every article someone can post regarding how weak the link to Al Qaeda through Ansar al-Islam is, someone else can post an article about how strong the link is. (For the record, neither of those someones is me.)

So who's right? It depends on how you decide to interpret the information. It doesn't make someone wrong if they decide to look at it from the opposite direction as you.

Take from this what you will.

Blix: Iraq Destroyed WMD 10 Years Ago

Seems like Bush's worst fears may be coming to pass. I dunno. :|

SC

I guess we all saw this coming.

U.S. Vetos U.N. Resolution

:|

SC

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Probably why he never gives a source for anything.

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Already posted a few posts back.

Can you show, its kinda lost in all youre drivel.

I mean, its not like youre four links most of wich are like almost a year old wich talk about CLAIMS by the US and British governments wich since then have mostly been disproven right?

I mean surely, even YOU cant be stupid enough to see that as proof positive of definite links between Saddam(who hated Bin Ladin and had a price on Bin Ladin´s head) and Bin ladin(who hated Saddam and had offered the US and saudi governments before gulf war1 to kill him and later maintained he would have his ass on a platter) and proof that they were in the terorism bussuines together are you?

Almaci Filter: Can you point them out? I must have skimmed over them.

I mean, you aren't referring to your four links (most of which are like almost a year old) which talk about CLAIMS by the US and British governments which since then have mostly been disproven, right?

There is no proof positive of definite links between Saddam (who hated Bin Laden and had a price on Bin Laden's head) and Bin Laden (who hated Saddam and had offered the US and Saudi governments before Gulf War 1 to kill him and later maintained he would have his ass on a platter) and proof that they were in the terrorism business together.

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Originally Posted by Almaci Filter

Can you point them out? I must have skimmed over them.

I mean, you aren't referring to your four links (most of which are like almost a year old) which talk about CLAIMS by the US and British governments which since then have mostly been disproven, right?

There is no proof positive of definite links between Saddam (who hated Bin Laden and had a price on Bin Laden's head) and Bin Laden (who hated Saddam and had offered the US and Saudi governments before Gulf War 1 to kill him and later maintained he would have his ass on a platter) and proof that they were in the terrorism business together.

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There we go.

He does have a point about the sources, Jimmy, looking on them now. But, you know, insults and all.

As for Mr. Almaci, I'm gonna need to see some proof about:

• Hussein's price on Bin Laden's head
• Bin Laden offering to kill/hating Hussein

Don't get me wrong, I'm not being mean, I'm actually curious about those two things since I've never seen anything about it.

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Originally Posted by spacecowboy

I can't believe there is an actual iraqibodycount.com. How sick is that? I think both DOVESKI and Calliander make good points, but I believe that the underlying theme is that there is alot of uncertainty around this whole situation. I agree that it would be extremely unwise to pull out of Iraq now, but it pisses me off that we're there in the first place. Thank goodness BoBVila isn't here to ruin what has been a pretty fun discussion and debate.

SC

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Amen my brother. :nod:

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Originally Posted by DOVESKI

Amen my brother. :nod:

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Welcome back. Yeah, "iraqibodycount.com". What a terrible thing to keep track of. :(

Thanks dude. Cowboy pretty muched summed up my feelings, Carter's logic just makes me go super radical.