Oh boy: Rumsfeld: Criticism of Bush Strengthens U.S. Foes

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Originally Posted by Wolffen

But do you really think that giving Hamas and the PLO another martyr would make the situtation better?

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Any time the IDF so much as looks at a terrorist, Hamas gets up in arms over it. Hamas and the PLO will go nuts no matter what someone does. I mean, really, let's be honest, are we afraid that people who hate Isreal and are working for her destruction will, if Arafat is killed, hate Isreal and work for her destruction? You're saying, "What if they act the way they already do?"

They're already slaughtering Israelis everyday; killing Arafat isn't going to make it any different.

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Do you want to see all out war in the region?

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Hamas, PLO, Islamic Jihad, and countless Arabs have already declared war on Israel. The region is at war. Everyday Israeli citizens are intentionally slaughtered.

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Do you want to see the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians and Israelis?

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It's already open season on Israelis.

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Assasinating him will only make the situation worse. Is that what you want, Carter?

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Boy, you're high and mighty, riding your moral hobby horse.

I said what I wanted, and I want Arafat dead. He's a menace to peace and an active supporter of terrorism. And if wanting a terrorist dead is an issue for you, then that's your problem.

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Originally Posted by Calliander

No, he wants Bibi Netanyahu back.

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You have never talked to me personally but ...

You are a psychic. I love Binyamin.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Carter

You have never talked to me personally but ...

You are a psychic. I love Binyamin.

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Everyone does. Find a person who doesn't and I'll show you a terrorist. :)

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Before Israel was formed he was part of a terror squad wich killed scores of Palestines in what is now Israel, he was found guilty by his own government for the sabra and chatila massacres and troughout his life has lived to terrorise the Palestinians away from the land they have always lived on.
Yah he is at least as big a terrorist as Arafat ever was.

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I'd read articles in the NY Times about that. They even had a picture of him, once, standing over a dead soldier he'd killed and I think he was smiling or saying something.

But Stone still gets pissed. I got him really mad talking about that stuff; if he were a fun person to rouse like that, I would do it more often. :)

I'm with Jimmy here. Could the situation GET any worse? Well, maybe more people will die, but hey--maybe they'll smarten up.

To say Sharon is as bad as Arafat is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Carter

See, this is why you aren't taken seriously. Instead of trying to maturely or seriously debate, you resort to some sort of namecalling; trying to tarnish the other guy's image.

Calliander, despite often seeing the issues differently, is fun to debate with because he isn't cheap. He's truly interested in stimulating, intellectual conversation; whereas you seem only interested in driving your opinion into everyone's skull, and if they don't agree, you start calling names.

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Oh IC so the reasons I stated hold no merit?
I told you WHY its a bad idea to assasinate Arafat and made an OBSERVATION about you personaly.
An observation I might add wich is shared by quite a few people who are more aligned with youre political vieuws then mine.

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Originally Posted by BoBVila

I'm with Jimmy here. Could the situation GET any worse? Well, maybe more people will die, but hey--maybe they'll smarten up.

To say Sharon is as bad as Arafat is ludicrous.

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Yes youre right Sharon is much worse.

And yes the situation can get much worse, targeted assasination(cold blooded murder of people who were denied due process), threats against Arafat, killing hunderds of Palestine children(hey its colateral damage, nevermind the fact that colateral damage in this case means more then three times the amount of innocent Palestines being killed by Israeli´s then the other way around) and denying them the basic human right of an education etcetera etcetera drives people into the open and willing arms of the hardliners, it makes people desperate enough to see it as a solution so yah it can get a lot worse still.

Ending Arafats life would be the single worst thing the Israeli government can do right now.

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Oh IC so the reasons I stated hold no merit?

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Did I say that? No, I didn't. You're making accusations that hold no water. I said that you neither debate maturely or seriously. Your inability to refrain from namecalling makes it next to impossible to engage in serious discussion with you because it's highly immature and insulting.

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I told you WHY its a bad idea to assasinate Arafat and made an OBSERVATION about you personaly.

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I didn't say that you failed to make an argument, I said that you, instead of being [b]serious or mature[/i], resorted to namecalling or insulting- as usual.

You may have provided an argument, but when you depend on phrases like "As for killing him, despite the hatred Stone must no doubt feel in his hart for Arafat he would never say what you are saying here simply becouse he is smarter then you are", it really drives any possible respect for your statement into the dirt.

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An observation I might add wich is shared by quite a few people who are more aligned with youre political vieuws then mine.

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That Stone is smarter than me? Well, no shit, Sherlock. The man went to Cornell U and I'll be lucky if I get into a small state college next year. The point is that you substituted important or relevant information with an insult intended to somehow degrade me by making me look less smart than another person on this message board.

I couldn't personally care less about being called names or insulted, but it's the fact that you have a distinct inability to engage in mature conversation. I would just love to see one political thread where, instead of trolling, you provided stimulating text free from insults. Just engage people; try it. Calliander is doing a wonderful job of it and you could too, if you actually tried.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Carter

Did I say that? No, I didn't. You're making accusations that hold no water. I said that you neither debate maturely or seriously. Your inability to refrain from namecalling makes it next to impossible to engage in serious discussion with you because it's highly immature and insulting.



I didn't say that you failed to make an argument, I said that you, instead of being [b]serious or mature[/i], resorted to namecalling or insulting- as usual.

You may have provided an argument, but when you depend on phrases like "As for killing him, despite the hatred Stone must no doubt feel in his hart for Arafat he would never say what you are saying here simply becouse he is smarter then you are", it really drives any possible respect for your statement into the dirt.



That Stone is smarter than me? Well, no shit, Sherlock. The man went to Cornell U and I'll be lucky if I get into a small state college next year. The point is that you substituted important or relevant information with an insult intended to somehow degrade me by making me look less smart than another person on this message board.

I couldn't personally care less about being called names or insulted, but it's the fact that you have a distinct inability to engage in mature conversation. I would just love to see one political thread where, instead of trolling, you provided stimulating text free from insults. Just engage people; try it. Calliander is doing a wonderful job of it and you could too, if you actually tried.

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Hahaha ok, whatever dude.

"Yes youre right Sharon is much worse."

Riiiiiiiiiight...

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Originally Posted by BoBVila

"Yes youre right Sharon is much worse."

Riiiiiiiiiight...

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Here are some words to do a google with.

Irgun, Haganah, Sabra, Chatilla, Ariel Sharon, King David hotel etcetera.

Have fun BoB

Old news, and doesn't compare.

Not much fun.

Seeing how the people stand by Arafat, I doubt having him assasinated is going to make things any better. He does need to be replaced however, considering he has ties with Al-Quida and the Hamas, only problem is how are we supposed to remove him without any further backlash from the public?