the official soulcalibur vs soulcalibur 2 thread

I'm a little bumed out on Namco's track record here, first they upgrade tekken one after another until the series finally slipped (tekken 4), but now after playing SC2 and seeing how little it's advanced, I belive there's going to be a repeate in the cycle.

Just after going a few rounds on the VGA (sweetness :D), it was easy to pick apart how far or little SC2 has actually gone. There's a great deal of texture work that still only offers it's best detail once viewed through VGA, but the models of each character isn't that far off aside from a very few spots that show it's edges. Some shared animations are slightly altered and nothing much as changed gameplay wise in between.

Now what really gets to me is if the DC was still a heavy player on the market and namco decided to include a version for sega's own, I don't see how it's going to look any different from what even xbox or gamecube would have offered. SC "IS" a first generation DC game, if not the first title out the gate! Just looking at how well this title performed is enough to convince me there's more then enough graphic power then developers may have realized, but sadly killed off any interest towards it's evolution favoring the "bigger fish."

Ok, here's some things I found that may devide the issue:

SC1

easier 8-way system (no joke)
character balance is more loose and pinpoint
character designs look better (like comparing Ivy's 2nd outfit with SC2's George Washington look-a-like)
VGA
Rock and Hwan are playable cast members (including lizardman)

SC2

updated move-lists
possible improvement over character balance, but SC feels more "loose"
walls add to gameplay
progressive scan (even though I don't know how it compares to VGA)
newer characters
better weapon master mode (and return of weapon select Woot!)


Way I'm seeing it, I think I feel better playing SC cause of how well this feels in general. Even if returning players have new moves, it just seems a little rough around the edges, plus they messed with the guard-impact system which is something I didn't agree with.

Overall, just like tekken tag to tekken 4, I'm not seeing all that much of a "sequel."

OMG this topic has been done to death and all the SC2 supporters can totally obliterate any argument the SC supporters have. I'm not even going to bother since there are multiple huge threads that already go over it with great detail.

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Originally Posted by voltz

SC1

easier 8-way system (no joke)

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You're crazy.

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character balance is more loose and pinpoint

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Wrong. (How is it "loose and pinpoint," anyway?)

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VGA

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You do realize that 720p, which is available on the XBox SC2 version, is better then DC's VGA output, right?
[edit]Besides, SC looks like utter ass in VGA. All the characters look like stop-motion action figures, which absolutely pales next to SC2's video output.

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Rock and Hwan are playable cast members (including lizardman)

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All three are playable in SC2.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

OMG this topic has been done to death and all the SC2 supporters can totally obliterate any argument the SC supporters have. I'm not even going to bother since there are multiple huge threads that already go over it with great detail.

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Good! That'll save me the trouble. :)

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

(How is it "loose and pinpoint," anyway?)

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I did a good deal of work trying motions that require double tapping up/down and it's difficault when you go through simple "tick" combinations, then expecting to sidestep into something you could set up for. It only seems easy when you sidestep an attack, but doing pressure combos and repositioning happens to be more of a chore this time.

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You do realize that 720p, which is available on the XBox SC2 version, is better then DC's VGA output, right?

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no, I do not realize that 720p looks any better then DC's VGA output. My post already stated that.

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[edit]Besides, SC looks like utter ass in VGA. All the characters look like stop-motion action figures, which absolutely pales next to SC2's video output.

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hell I'm not gonna bother defending against this statement! :lol:

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All three are playable in SC2.

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actually, I'm not too impressed with them. They're clones (cept lizardman maybe) and there's no way you can use them in arcade/time attack mode, much less view their profile.

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Originally Posted by voltz

I did a good deal of work trying motions that require double tapping up/down and it's difficault when you go through simple "tick" combinations, then expecting to sidestep into something you could set up for.

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The flow has changed. Time to get re-used to it.

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It only seems easy when you sidestep an attack, but doing pressure combos and repositioning happens to be more of a chore this time.

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Repostioning is way easier, especially considering the heavily watered-down tracking and the addition of the sidestep.

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hell I'm not gonna bother defending against this statement! :lol:

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Pointlessness would waste time, wouldn't it?

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They're clones (cept lizardman maybe)

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If by "clones" you mean "characters that use some moves off characters that already exist combined with their own exactly like how it was in SC" you're absolutely right.

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[...] and there's no way you can use them in arcade/time attack mode, much less view their profile.

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Well that certainly affects their gameplay. "Oh no, I don't have access to them in useless modes, however will I utilize them in the manner they're designed for?"

I wasn't happy that namco put in enough effort to make them complete as main characters in the story, yet they turned them to make their point meaningless. I could say they wanted to have extras for weapon master and just added a few moves to make them stand out, or namco was playing a political debate on actually having them back.

I think MechDeus closed the door on this argument in the first post. Saying SC1 is better just makes no sense. You get Hwang (aka Xianghua), Rock (aka Astaroth) and Lizardman (aka Sophitia) in arcade mode? How exciting! That's such a worthwhile trade for Raphael, Yunsung, Necrid, Cassandra, Talim and whichever console specific character you get!

The character models are much more detailed, the characters themselves all have a bunch of new moves, 720p looks gorgeous, you're out of your mind if you think the "walk backwards, then sideways" 8way run system was better in SC1, and more types of arena and the addition of 10 extra weapons for each character adds a bunch of depth to an already deeper game.

I was dissapointed and bored with SC2, but this topic is pretty stupid. Anyway, I voted for SC1, because it was on Dreamcast. Which makes it cooler than SC2, which is the better game regardless.

Technically Soul Calibur 2 should be the better game due to the 3 years difference in release dates however SC2 for some reason left me cold and hasn't sparked my interest in the same way the first one did.

Personally the first one is/has been much more enjoyable and rememberable.

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character designs look better (like comparing Ivy's 2nd outfit with SC2's George Washington look-a-like)
VGA

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I agree with you on Ivy's 2P outfit but other than that...no