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Originally Posted by James

Don't make me defend DiffX, it drives me nuts when you do that.

A game of RE4's calibur should have sold far in excess of its 660k. If it was on the PS2, 1.5 million would have probably been attainable. Much as I appreciate the fact that RE4 looked far, far better than anything the PS2 could produce, with proper marketing RE4 could have sold much better on a system that, I'm sad to say, isn't as lively as it should be.

James

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You don't think the fact that a PS2 conversion was announced months before the GC version shipped had a major impact on sales? RE4 was supposed a) ship a year earlier, and b) move systems. Obviously if it's out on PS2, only the diehards will pick up a GC for it.

I'd imagine once it's out on PS2 as their big game this Christmas, aggregate PS2/GC sales will be higher than any of the previous games in the series. It has little competition and the potential to do 1.5 million without breaking a sweat.

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This is stupid crazy talk. People stopped giving a shit about Tomb Raider when it stopped being about tombs and it's never recovered since. Square put one FF game on the GC, a total side game that no would care about if it succeeded or failed. PSX Resident Evil fans not jumping over to GC to play the next entry the series is is bad. PSX Final Fantasy fans not jumping to the GC to play a game which has no bearing on the 'official' numbered series isn't even in the same league.

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FF and Tomb Raider fell for different reasons, obviously - and I thought people were smart enough to figure that out on their own (exercise for the reader). Im saying that Resident Evil fell because Capcom mishandled the franchise by putting the true sequels on unworthy systems that didnt have the audience (whereas, say, EA didnt put Madden on DC) while they put the Z-list RE titles on the system with the audience and the fanbase. RE has gotten better over the years, both movies were successful, yet sales have gone down. Hmm.

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Seriously, WTF.
RE4 moved 660,000 units in NA (http://the-magicbox.com/game20050601.shtml) while RE2 did 1.7 million (http://cube.ign.com/articles/463/463614p1.html).

It's only a third of RE 2 sales, but RE2 was the series' best seller and the fact is that RE has been drying out well before the GC (RE3 only did 1 million).

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RE2 also sold 2.3 million units in Japan, though. And RE1 sold 1.3 in Japan alone, and RE3 1.5. RE4 sold 200k in Japan.

And the RE franchise was just as big, proportionally, in Europe, so each PSX release sold upwards of 3-4 million copies. RE4 struggled to do 1 million, and is by nearly everyone's estimation, easily the best game in the series, and the biggest step forward it has taken since the series started.

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Originally Posted by Korly

"WTF" is my favorite genre.

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IBTN.

EA puts Madden on the N-Gage. I don't know what reason they had for skipping the DC, but it wasn't fear of low sales.

James

N-Gage is low sales and low exposure. It costs them about thirty cents to make and doesnt matter one bit. If they put Madden 2000 (or whatever it was) on Dreamcast that would be high exposure on a system that wasnt gonna go anywhere according to their research. Make fun of EA all you want, but theyve kept this series viable and powerful for over 15 years (and its gotten more powerful over time, clearly). Nobody else has come even close to pulling that off. Companies would do well to study how EA has protected the brand.

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Im saying that Resident Evil fell because Capcom mishandled the franchise by putting the true sequels on unworthy systems

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I agree, which is why I think comparing it to Tomb Raider (already overcooked by part III, not mention psx last revelation came out before the DC ver) and Crystal Chronicles (again, not a part of the true series) is a total nonsequitor.

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A game of RE4's calibur should have sold far in excess of its 660k. If it was on the PS2, 1.5 million would have probably been attainable. Much as I appreciate the fact that RE4 looked far, far better than anything the PS2 could produce, with proper marketing RE4 could have sold much better on a system that, I'm sad to say, isn't as lively as it should be.

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The second part of my post where I quoted sales numbers was just to show that the "6 to 8 times more" was not a correct figure. Nothing more.

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FF and Tomb Raider fell for different reasons, obviously - and I thought people were smart enough to figure that out on their own (exercise for the reader)

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It's cool that you don't sugarcoat, but you do know that your way of wording things makes for no room to interpet anything other than what you strongly declare.

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Originally Posted by Andy

RE2 also sold 2.3 million units in Japan, though. And RE1 sold 1.3 in Japan alone, and RE3 1.5. RE4 sold 200k in Japan.

And the RE franchise was just as big, proportionally, in Europe, so each PSX release sold upwards of 3-4 million copies. RE4 struggled to do 1 million, and is by nearly everyone's estimation, easily the best game in the series, and the biggest step forward it has taken since the series started.

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I don't think the PS2 version will do that hot. A better version came out 11 months earlier and will by then be 20 bucks. It will going up against Zelda,Xbox 360 and SotC on the PS2. It will hit 1 million sales while the GC version will be 1.5 to 2 million sold world-wide.

The Resident Evil series is not as popular as it was before and it wasn't Nintendo's,Sony's or Capcoms fault. The series just couldn't keep up with the public's eye.

Capcom should have waited to announce the PS2 port. It gave people a reason to wait for the game instead of going out and buying it (maybe with a gamecube along with it). Clearly declaring the game multi-system after it had gotten rave reviews would've stirred up the PS2 fanbase a lot more.

Anouncing a PS2 port online prevented people from getting a GameCube system and the game... not the game itself. The GC version would clearly be the better version anyway.

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Originally Posted by TobalRox

Anouncing a PS2 port online prevented people from getting a GameCube system and the game... not the game itself. The GC version would clearly be the better version anyway.

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There's a problem with delaying a purchase, though. The amount of hype for RE4's PS2 release is going to pale in comparison to the GameCube release. A good number of those people that wanted to wait for the PS2 version will get sucked up into some other game's hype and buy it instead.

It'd be like launching a movie on DVD a year before it releases in theaters. Without any anticipation leading up to the theater release the numbers would likely be disappointing.