Breakdown

I havent really tried much of hand combat yet, since I didnt get too far into the game. I did get to the first T'lan encounter, but my hand and kick attacks dont seem to do any damage to them, and Derrick keeps dying after couple of their punches. I do need to get used to block, but again button layout with Block being Left Analog Press is pretty inconvinient. I will try to see if there is option on remapping some of the controls( I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread).

Also, not being able to know how many bullets is left in the clip, as you trying to shoot multiple soldiers, and not having an option to reload (unless there is one that I dont know of), leads to you being a sitting duck, taking sweet time reloading, while bad guys unload their guns at you.

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Originally Posted by Despair

I havent really tried much of hand combat yet, since I didnt get too far into the game. I did get to the first T'lan encounter, but my hand and kick attacks dont seem to do any damage to them, and Derrick keeps dying after couple of their punches. I do need to get used to block, but again button layout with Block being Left Analog Press is pretty inconvinient. I will try to see if there is option on remapping some of the controls( I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread).

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Yeah, just run for now. You'll now when you can start taking them on.

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Also, not being able to know how many bullets is left in the clip

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Pause the game, it'll tell show you how many clips you have and how much is left in your current clip. If you go to Inventory you can find an exact number but that's never really nessecary. Kinda unwieldy but it's there to remove on-screen indicators, I also got used to knowing how many bullets were in a clip as time went on.

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and not having an option to reload (unless there is one that I dont know of)

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Press the left trigger.

P.S. Don't forget my shooting tips from earlier, they help a lot.

I got it. So far it's been pretty fun, the immersiveness works really well and add that to the fact the guy shares my name (Cole) and you got a compelling game. HOWEVER, I'm stuck in the part where you have to take on two T'lans in the burning building. I've tried with and without lock-on, trying to ambush them from a corner, trying to just rely on knock-back attacks to tumble the other guy, but I still can't beat them. I even tossed my grenade, but it didn't seem to affect them. How do you beat them?

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Originally Posted by Green

I got it. So far it's been pretty fun, the immersiveness works really well and add that to the fact the guy shares my name (Cole) and you got a compelling game. HOWEVER, I'm stuck in the part where you have to take on two T'lans in the burning building. I've tried with and without lock-on, trying to ambush them from a corner, trying to just rely on knock-back attacks to tumble the other guy, but I still can't beat them. I even tossed my grenade, but it didn't seem to affect them. How do you beat them?

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This part is just plain tough, especially since you don't have any crowd attacks yet. First off, run past the hallway so that you won't have fire anywhere near you (you don't want to end up accidently blocking or being knocked through flames) and as they round the corner run at them and press both triggers (slide kick) immediately followed by left trigger (combo elbow attack). This will knock down at least one or both if you're lucky. If you only knocked down one then switch lockon and hold guard the instant it connects to try and stop the other one's attacks. Your best tactic will be to use the L, R, R combo to knock one down and then lockon switch/guard immediately as the other one stands up. Repeat and you should keep it so that only one of them is attacking at once.

Don't forget that you can roll out of the way while guarding by pressing a direction when an attack of theirs hits your guard, and then back away using guard and walking in circles (if you just move backward they'll use thrust kicks or shoulder rushes which pretty much puts you both in a stalemate if it connects with your guard). If you can put space in between you both try to slide kick again (but don't use the elbow again or you'll leave yourself open, they'll stagger for a second and then fall over, just immediately switch your attention to the other guy and guard), but watch out for the shoulder rush which requires almost no startup time for them.

Oh, and good luck.

OH OH OH! I know this part too! Thier is another option ... though more cowardly ... Run past them. They will give up after a certain distance. Then, when the next T'Lan is doing his patrol ... and his back is towards you ... ie: walking down the other corridor in front of you ... run to the right ... look up press the "Jump" button whichever you have it set too. Mine is Halo controls. And BOOM! You into the next level.

Despair, at that point in the game I was giving up too. I said f' it and was like I'm returning this crap. Then, I asked MechDeus on how to go past that part ... and if you read it ... He does. All you do at the point of facing the T'Lan's is RUN! RUN LIKE HELL! Until, you see your arm, glow ... then its ... REVENGE TIME, BITCH! All the time I had to run ... I am now like COME GET SOME!

Then, when one dies I say ... "I'M RICK JAMES, BITCH!"

The moral of this story ... Give it time. I did. I was like Despair ... I was all depressed like his namesake. Then, with the help of friends ... MechDeus and Gamefaqs ... I then realized the beauty of this game and all its majestic Ultra Juice and Ration bars. Oh and hit "X" alot. Fast and alot.

I beat them on my own a little after I posted, but thanks anyways. I decided to forgo the tactical approach, and just wail on them like I wanted to and it worked. So far this game is a blast, I love running into a corridor full of enemies who'll be like, "oh no, it's Cole!". Damn right! *BIFF!*

I got to the part where you learn to toss fireballs. During the battle, I was told to hit the black button and R at the same time (or something like that), but he just kept throwing fireballs. What did I miss?
*nevermind, figured it out. You roll from black to R and you'll do a flying jump kick. If you use a PS2 converter it's really easy to do (just roll from R1 to R2).

Got to the part that Green was talking about, where you have to fight 2 Tlans in the hallway with fire all around. And I just keep dying there. :(

I just played the demo today, and I'm VERY underwhelmed. Is there something I'm missing? Does it get better? Is the demo not a good representation of the finished product?

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Originally Posted by Green

The ten dollar Best Buy deal is this week, it ends Saturday. Just checked the Cheapassgamer board to make sure. I might go ahead and get it, I don't feel like playing through Ninja Gaiden a second time and there's not much coming out for a while.

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Game is not worth $10. I wouldn't play it if it were free.