It seems like the higher ups at MS are in denial about what a toxic brand Windows really is.
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It seems like the higher ups at MS are in denial about what a toxic brand Windows really is.
There was going to be competition in this market no matter what. It's much too big. Even if Apple launched on every carrier, other companies would've thrown their hat into the ring. Of course, it's here that I say that some carriers (like Verizon) rejected the iPhone straight up because Apple wasn't going to let them control it the way they were controlling their lineup at that point.
Don't you run XP? I assure you that Mac is noticeably better than XP in every single way*, and has been since around 10.3 Panther. Obviously 7 is a huge step up from XP from a UI perspective (mostly), but it's still crap IMO. It's still obviously Windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I don't think there is a single person alive (other than Paul Thurrott) who actually thinks, "wow... Windows in a phone." People don't like Windows, they tolerate it.
*there are still a lot of XP machines at my job. I really don't know how anybody uses that nowadays.
Hey man, you need XP and IE6 for compatibility!
Yeah, it's just a matter of particular market share. I don't think we'd be looking at Android as a major leader in market share if it played out differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
I'm glad it did, I'm not a fan of uber-proprietary platforms, and I think Android has matured into a very good OS that I prefer to the competitors, but it's not because they started out with much advantage.
Yeah, I run XP. And I set it to look and work like 95, with the square, gray buttons and the million different windows that pop up in the task bar. I like that UI. And I like that XP is stable, fast, doesn't use as much memory as newer OSes, and still runs almost all the software as fast or faster than newer Windows.Quote:
Don't you run XP? I assure you that Mac is noticeably better than XP in every single way, and has been since around 10.3 Panther. Obviously 7 is a huge step up from XP from a UI perspective (mostly), but it's still crap IMO. It's still obviously Windows.
Maybe I'm a weirdo, I don't know. I used DOS as my primary OS until like 1997, too.
You might have the strategy backwards. It might be more of an attempt to reinvent the Windows brand than leverage it, actually. WP7 retains none of the look and feel of desktop windows, but now with WP8 and Windows 8, they're trying to converge, both on look/feel and even on some of the technical aspects of the kernel itself. I think they're trying to make people think of Windows as this flashy Piet Mondrian landscape rather than a start bar and glossy buttons.Quote:
I don't think there is a single person alive (other than Paul Thurrott) who actually thinks, "wow... Windows in a phone." People don't like Windows, they tolerate it.
That's probably true. I realize I'm talking about nerd sites and nerd sites don't define the public (which, as I said, is apathetic towards Windows anyway), but all I see on them is MS talking about what runs on ARM and what doesn't and what is Metro and what isn't Metro and how you will program it and etc. And how it has Metro but underneath is just the Windows 7 UI. It's such a huge mess. But that's MS. It's a big bet for them.
Also: I don't like Metro. At first glance it was brilliant but the more I see it the less I like it. It's flat and boring and too text-heavy. I dislike the Xbox dash more every time I use it.
I realize I sound like a huge MS hater now but there's some stuff I like (the Ribbon!).
I love my Windows 7. It lets me do more than any Mac ever has at a fraction of the cost. But whatever, use what you want to.
I don't really like Metro much either (I just don't like change, pretty much), but it's an aggressive move in a direct the market is probably ready for. Tablets and phones are definitely changing the way people think about computing and UIs, and it wouldn't shock me to see future version of Android start to creep onto netbooks and laptops soon. MS is right to be ready there.
Isn't Chrome a more likely fit on netbooks and laptops over Android? Netbooks probably aren't going to be around much longer anyway.
Chromebooks haven't exactly set the world on fire.
Chrome OS is pretty much an unmitigated failure that most expect to be merged into Android in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
I already know people who can satisfy all their computing needs on a mobile OS. That's just going to grow as the hardware improves. I'm not quite there yet (Still need big boy Photoshop, Illustrator, etc) but it's a lot of people that could potentially be poached from the PC market. Never would have believed that when the iPad was announced, but a lot has happened very fast.