No WMD found and Bush ratings at new low.

Thats the thing Calliander, I warned abouth it before the war, tell a lie often enough or use language in a certain way and people will take it as truth.
Its a game this administration used verry skillfully.
In the build up to the war they used the words WMD and Al Queda often when talking about Iraq, they rarely if ever made direct claims but they did use the words when talking abouth Saddam, thats how you end up with a majority of people believing Iraq was involved in 9/11, same with the SCUDS and WMD thing, quite a lot of people actually believe stuff was found simply becouse it was repoted on in error so often with the retractions getting far less press or comments from the white house.
Now THAT is propaganda.
And as Haomaru so aptly proved here, IT REALLY WORKS.

Second time someone should post an OWNED pic for Hao ^_^ .

Nah, in matters like this the "owned" pics are inappropriate. Haoh has some good points. If we were talking about Nintendo, and you said Nintendo is doomed and he said no and you proved him wrong, then yeah, "pwned11!1#31!"

I think a lot of people are so ignorant here in America that they think all of "those people over there" are terrorists. You don't see that a lot on the boards here, because most of us are really smart, but it's pretty frequent in my experience.

I say that a lot of things were disproven, but they haven't been fully disproven. I don't think there's a way to fully disprove them. Because of that, I remain wary. There COULD have been a connection to Iraq from Al Qaeda, despite differences and all that. There COULD be WMD's we just haven't found. You know? There isn't 100% conclusive evidence, so you can't state something with full confidence right now.

By the way, have you been reading the Almaci Filter and using it to not throw the insults or is it just that nobody's said anything outrageous enough to spark you? :)

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Originally Posted by Calliander

I think a lot of people are so ignorant here in America that they think all of "those people over there" are terrorists. You don't see that a lot on the boards here, because most of us are really smart, but it's pretty frequent in my experience.

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It's true. Even I have had people think I was a terrorist, and I'm an ordinary-looking white person with no accent.

Dave Attell was talking about how his nickname at the airport is "Random Bag Check". He had a security guard tell him he needed to look less threatening. His response was, "Less threatening? What should I do? Carry a balloon and a Hello Kitty lunchbox? I'm going on the fly-fly!"

Hehe.

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I think a lot of people are so ignorant here in America that they think all of "those people over there" are terrorists.

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You don't see that a lot on the boards here, because most of us are really smart, but it's pretty frequent in my experience.

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The way I see it, there isn't anything that makes us 'smarter' or anyone who agrees with anything that says that Bush is some card-carrying Nazi. There's nothing 'special' about us.

I've seen this in high school. Kids who get the good grades or are just social outcasts find whatever reasons they can to validate themselves as better than the norm. For nothing more than the luxury of staring down their noses at the unwashed, ignorant masses.

What elitism.

I don't think people are stupid, or ignorant. On the average, you could argue people are uninformed, lazy, apathetic, or too self-involved to pick up on anything outside their world of knowing, but that cuts all ways.

How many times have you snubbed someone for not knowing any better about games or politics? How is that behaviour any different from someone who gives you crap for not knowing about...I dunno, music, or sports, or something else? How come a person gives shit to those he or she dubs as less-than-I? I would guess it's easier for people to pat themselves on the back for their obvious intelligence and scorn the self-proclaimed fools than to...I dunno...actually look at the 'problem' and tackle it.

You think a lot of people here are so ignorant? Is that an inclination to go out and educated those you see a problem with, or just a way to feel better about how much smarter you are?

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The way I see it, there isn't anything that makes us 'smarter' or anyone who agrees with anything that says that Bush is some card-carrying Nazi. There's nothing 'special' about us.

I've seen this in high school. Kids who get the good grades or are just social outcasts find whatever reasons they can to validate themselves as better than the norm. For nothing more than the luxury of staring down their noses at the unwashed, ignorant masses.

What elitism.

I don't think people are stupid, or ignorant. On the average, you could argue people are uninformed, lazy, apathetic, or too self-involved to pick up on anything outside their world of knowing, but that cuts all ways.

How many times have you snubbed someone for not knowing any better about games or politics? How is that behaviour any different from someone who gives you crap for not knowing about...I dunno, music, or sports, or something else? How come a person gives shit to those he or she dubs as less-than-I? I would guess it's easier for people to pat themselves on the back for their obvious intelligence and scorn the self-proclaimed fools than to...I dunno...actually look at the 'problem' and tackle it.

You think a lot of people here are so ignorant? Is that an inclination to go out and educated those you see a problem with, or just a way to feel better about how much smarter you are?

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I wasn't trying to put it that way, man. I'm sorry if it came out like that. I'm the last person to be putting myself on some sort of mental platform above people. I was just trying to comment that while in real life I hear silly comments from a lot of people, I rarely hear them on here. I'm not originally from Cali, I'm from Connecticut. And while the state has a leaning toward Democrats, many of them are still unaware of the many different situations over in the Middle East. I was trying to rebut Almaci's statement to the effect of people associating Iraq with 9/11.

Poor choice of words on my part. To those people who say things like, "We should just blow up that whole area," I try to rationally inform them of the different conflicts, Israel, Iraq not being connected to 9/11, all of that.

I hope that clears it up a bit. Lemme know if I missed something.

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Haomaru, you might want to retract youre statement about SCUDS.
US Media with Fox on front reported on SCUDS and then took a week to rectify it after the US millitary admited it were Russian made frog missiles wich Iraq was allowed to have.
It was a pretty big argument back during the first week of the war.

IC tough that the objective was achieved, you DO believe they had SCUDS during GW2

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No, actually I don't want to retract anything. Up to 30 SCUDS are unaccounted for, weren't destroyed, and are obviously SOMEWHERE. Even Blix commented on that.

There is a guess involved with what was actually fired, Frogs or The Laith-90s, no one really knows.

So, I stand by what I said - again.

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Thats the thing Calliander, I warned abouth it before the war, tell a lie often enough or use language in a certain way and people will take it as truth.
Its a game this administration used verry skillfully.
In the build up to the war they used the words WMD and Al Queda often when talking about Iraq, they rarely if ever made direct claims but they did use the words when talking abouth Saddam, thats how you end up with a majority of people believing Iraq was involved in 9/11, same with the SCUDS and WMD thing, quite a lot of people actually believe stuff was found simply becouse it was repoted on in error so often with the retractions getting far less press or comments from the white house.
Now THAT is propaganda.
And as Haomaru so aptly proved here, IT REALLY WORKS.

Second time someone should post an OWNED pic for Hao ^_^ .

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Dude, if that 13 year old stuff makes you feel good, then feel free to post "OWNED", despite the fact that I've clearly explained myself, backed it up with facts, and continue to stand by what I've said. SCUDS are unaccounted for, the war wasn't just about WMD, Bush isn't solely responsible, you're heavily biased, and (god forbid) if they find even ONE WMD your entire theory is sunk faster than the titanic. You're on the thin ice here with your vast conspiracy theory, not me.

If I posted an OWNED for every error in each your posts, I'd need a hand massage to remove the cramping from typing so much. ;)

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Originally Posted by Calliander

Actually, I said it's no different from Bush. Bush can backtrack all he wants, I don't care and I won't criticize him. I backtrack all the time, I can't fault anyone for that.

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Backtracking about not remembering what you had for dinner last night is one thing. "Oops, you know, on second thought I think the war was a mistake. I had an epiphany last nite and saw the second coming and have change my evil ways..."

Nah, that doesn't work for me. Especially considering that he's looking to make a career move. ;)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Um, I think he means "intending to invade within the next 5 years", not "having plans around just in case something happens".

It's well known that the US military has plans in place on how to invade most countries around the world, Canada and Mexico included.

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Yeah, I'd like to see that proof. Got some? :rolleyes:

Even if there *IS* such a "plan", it means NOTHING. It's a plan, one that might be used, might not be used, might be sold to the highest bidder. It's useless and particularly so for political gain.

Might be "well known" to educated/interested people. I don't think the average joe schmoe has ANY idea about that stuff.

Actually, im as surprised as you that NOTHING WHATSOEVER has turned up.

You're so subtle, it's amazing, man. :p

Why would one want to be subtle in a Politcal debate? I've never heard of such a thing. ;)