Drugs!

I went looking for a thread specifically on the broad subject, but after 4 pages I couldn't find one.

I myself haven't dabbled in drugs, apart from alcohol (and oh god have I "dabbled" in it), but thats not to say given the chance I wouldn't try some stuff, particularly LSD, as it sounds so interesting. I wouldn't know where to get it though, and it don't want it enough to go looking for it.


Any interesting/funny/bad experiences? Any preferences? Also, what are some of the downers like afterwards? My friend told me that Crystal Meth made him feel like utter shit for a week or so, which got me wondering about the other drugs.


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I've never found the idea of taking drugs that appealing really. Not that I don't mind getting pissed outta my head on some kind of alcohol, hehe.

I knew a kid on Crystal Meth, I wouldn't touch it. INSTANT withdrawal the next morning, the kid was puking his guts out.

Know your limits with LSD, if you're going to bite off more than you can chew, you're going to regret it. And you DEFINITELY want someone sober to keep you in check if you're going to do it. You're better off just not doing it though. If you just want a euphoric trip, shrooms are a lot safer, although the effects of both are different from what I understand.

I don't do drugs, smoke or drink so I really couldn't tell you. The only drug I moderately enjoy is caffeine and my favourite drink it Sprite. Drugs are bad for you.

SC

Caffiene is my drug of choice. No really memorably stories about it though.

I don't do drugs.
"Are you a chicken?"
I'm not a chicken! You're a turkey!
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No interest, and if you respect your mind and body you wouldn't put that posion in your system.

I used to be pretty wild. I took acid much every day through tenth and eleventh grade.

The only "major" drug I haven't done is extacy.

I took a break from all drugs starting on December 17th, 1997 until about six months ago.

Now I just like to smoke pot, and play music/chill out.

I used to be into it a lot, pot and shrooms pretty much. I liked shrooms a lot, but I had a bad trip once and it was a pretty shitty experience. I've also done the vicodin + alcohol thing, which I heard could kill you pretty easily. Ah well.

Now I lay off all that.

It's just not good for me. Pot really does kill my motivation. I really like it when I can just chill out though when I got nothing to do and it dont matter, but Im a senior in college - I got tons of shit to do.

Im not gonna say drugs are bad and people shouldnt do them... but I dont think they're very good for anyone and a person on drugs isn't advancing themselves, learning a hobby, etc. At least that's been my observation. But it's their life.

Drugs are a mixed bag. Under no circumstances are they necessary, but then again most are none too horrible in moderation.

Meth = poison. It's probably the number one most dangerous drug in my opinion. The real problem with it is that while on it everything seems a whole lot more fun and exciting and interesting than it is. Then when you come down your body actually goes into a physical depression that can last for a whole year after a bigass dose. Quality control with this drug is tough too because outside of a standard spectrum of variation it all looks similar. "Good" meth will appear as hard completely transparent crystals and the shitty byproduct or botched batches, known as "crank" etc, can be clear, pink, brown, brick red and can have a consistency ranging from a firm yet squishy lump of goo to hard crystals. The shit is toxic and is one of the hardest to stay away from due to the aforementioned year long comedown. Avoid. And that goes for anything that you can get over the counter with the word "amphetamine" in the title. Just because it's legal don't make it healthy.

Opiates are also very touchy but certainly less immediately toxic (ask Rush) than meth. Most of us have had them and they really don't vary in effect too much. Heroin and morphine are basiclly just vicadin(sp?) x 1,000. The pills are all pretty safe as they can be cross referenced against the Physician's Desk Reference and only become a problem when taken too often or in to great a quantity. The high from all this stuff is as good as it gets, especially with heroin, morphine and oxycodon(sp?). Oxycodon, typically called "OC" is very much in vogue right now. Purportedly the effects are damn near identical to heroin except that the user stays high for ten hours instead of two. I used to very much enjoy the opiates but I found that they would give me this lousy three day "hangover" even after just a couple of vicadins, so I had to leave it alone. I recommend total avoidance or the strictest moderation. Otherwise you'll wind up like such high profile jackasses as Sid Vicious or Rush Limbaugh.

Tranquilizers fucking suck. The most common are PCP, Ketamine and Canibinol(sp?) PCP is a large animal tranquilizer and I've never used it. They showed alot of antidrug videos in health class and the PCP ones certainly worked for me. It sounded highly dangerous and wildly uncontrollable. At best. From what I understand, canibinol is for mid sized animals like dogs and mountain lions etc. Never done that either. Ketamine though, yuck! It's basically PCP lite for kitty cats and other small animals. I have ingested that and it really sucked IMO. Some people claim that it gets them pleasantly high. It certainly got me way past fucked up but nothing that I would call "high". High is a good thing and I usually don't have to hold the ceiling to stand up when I'm high. Nor do I have to crawl to the bathroom only to resume holding the ceiling to take a piss when high. Most of all I don't have to force myself to breathe when I'm high. Perhaps I OD'd, perhaps man wasn't meant to ingest cat tranquilizer. At any rate I hated the stuff so I say avoid. If PCP is more profound than that, I'd go mental.

Pschedelics have the greatest potential as helpful drugs. Unfortunately, real research is pretty hard to get done what with how scared the government and everyone else is of these things. I have only ingested shrooms, LSD, mescaline and DMT. Of those, the first three can go a long way toward helping a person change their self image. These drugs are more than just a good time or a way to see some (usually very slight) hallucinations. They can be used to consciously alter a person's perceptions and that can be used for the better. The problem is that in an uncontrolled environment, the effects of the drugs can sort of get away from a person and a bad trip may ensue. Some of the greatest moments of my life were under the influence of Acid and /or shrooms. Fortunately I always had a solid group of true friends to go adventuring around with and out of countless psychedelic experiences, I can count the bad ones on one hand. These things really will blow your perception of things physical, mental, emotional and interpersonal so I can only recommend them to people with strong will and huge common sense. There are no other drugs like these and once you start a LSD, shroom or mescaline trip you'll be riding it for a minimum of five hours, much longer with most LSD. Those easily shaken by strange states of altered consciousness should avoid. If weed makes you paranoid, forget psychedelics. Strange LSD fact: It has been much harder to get acid in the United States since Jerry Garcia died. It is only now starting to come back in quantity.

Cocaine is in a class by itself. It, like weed, just doesn't fall into any of the other groups. I used to find it enjoyable but nowadays it just seems like powdered anxiety. Snorting things also beats up my sinuses and smoking rocks was never something I was comfortable with. It made my heart hurt. So all the various personal discomforts cause me to avoid it like the plague. This one also has a tricky cycle of addiction. In addition to some possible physical euphoria, cocaine has a strange effect on the ego. It is very dangerous because of this as the user tends to feel like Prince Charming and Superman all rolled into one when he/she is high but then feels more like Urkel as the shit runs out. If you don't want to take my word for it just check out Dr Sigmund Freud's writings on the subject. It's perhaps the only valid stuff that poor sadsack of cocaine addict ever wrote.

Weed is great. I personally think the stuff is great. Not that I haven't had to battle with setting up some sort of responsible usage guidelines for myself. At age 18 I basically just partied 24/7 and so I smoked weed all the live long day. Now at 31, I tend to wait until after 6pm unless I'm doing hard labor. The effects vary from user to user which I suspect is one of the reasons it's hard for some people to get with legalization. Some people smoke it and feel relaxed and smiley, maybe even euphoric. Some smoke it and feel a heinous blend of anxiety and paranoia. Trying it is harmless. Trading in real life to become a wastoid ganja junkie eating Twinkies is pretty fucking sorry. Potency varies with quality and quality is generally pretty easy to detect. It's a plant and outside of it needing to be dry, fresher is better. So it should not look brown and flat. It should look green and puffy. It shouldn't smell moldy or musty, it should smell highly pungent and be skunky, spicy or fruity. Those videos from health class always make it seem like if you try weed you're likely to get some that has been laced with some other drug. Here's the real deal on that: After 16 years of HEAVY smoking, I have yet to even see laced pot. If you buy the shit from someone you know it will not be laced. Why am I so sure? Because drugs cost money and it has been a rare occasion indeed that someone has given me free drugs. Of course you may run into a "friend" who isn't really a friend that would trick you into smoking laced shit, or you may run into some fuckup of a PCP user that wants you to smoke laced shit to maybe turn you on to something new so he can sell it to you or become his useless PCP buddy (hard drug users use the buddy system to help defer the cost and effort of staying high). Both of the above mentioned scenarios are cause for a brutal beatdown as far as I'm concerned. Slipping someone a mickey is amateur hour and is not tolerated amongst drug users who actually care about themselves. So anyway, as harmless as weed is made out to be, it is not without issue and common sense must once again be brought to the table. If you have none you need to stay sober.

I think we all know about alcohol, caffiene and sugar so I guess that's all. Well except to tell all the little high horse caffeine users that they're on drugs too, just like Rush :p

Pa

*edit* Because I forgot Ecstacy. This is a weird one. As I understand it it is a synthesized combination of mescaline and amphetamine. A chemist friend says that it's only a methyl group or two away from methamphetamine, for whatever that's worth. Not being a chemsit I have no real frame of reference. The deal with ecstacy is that it causes ALL of a person's seratonin to be released at once. That may sound drastic but it's really not too big a deal if the user allows sufficient time for his/her seratonin to replensih itself before using it again. Therein lies the problem. People want to party every weekend or more and five days is just not long enough. When E is ingested without sufficient Seratonin reserves, dopamine is released instead. This is no good. The chemical in charge of seratonin reuptake does not gather the dopamine and it is left in the wrong part of the brain where it essentially "rots". This causes neurotoxicity and is EXTREMELY bad. Ecstacy seems to be very very poular and only seems to be getting more popular. No matter how old you are and no matter how salty a drug veteran you may be, please oh please don't do ecstacy more than twice a month. Also, in the USA pills can be crossreferenced through the website www.dancesafe.org This is a databse designed to help inform people about the drugs they're doing. Pills can be cross referenced by isignia, pill color, region etc. The few times that I did E, I used this site, found my pill sent in from someone from my region, found that it was pure MDMA and had great times. This shit is fucking dangerous as all hell. Reason being that pills sell for $20 plus and it doesn't take a slide rule to do the math. Selling fake pills can make a loser rich in a weekend so make sure you trust the source and make sure that you use Dancesafe.

i'm high on life.

Good, at least you're not some holier than thou caffiene head type :)

Pa

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Good, at least you're not some holier than thou caffiene head type :)

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Yeah, they're a big problem.

I'm a fan of weed myself. Since I got out of school I'm smoking a lot less (a whole lot actually) but when I do smoke it's still a shit load of fun. I've really only met one person who was a scum bag stoner, the kind that those videos say you're going to turn into if you try weed. But he was the rare person and everyone who was around him (sober or not) did not like this kid at all. He was high all the time, he looked dirty as hell and was really just a waste of space. Not even the kids that I considered real stoners (wake and bake before a 8am class) wanted to be anywhere near this kid. He just let it take over his whole life. If you know your limits and don't do anything stupid it's a great time.

Everyone has different reactions, it depends what your personality is like. I know one kid who gets really sloppy (he tried to put cheeze-its up his nose) but he's an attention whore as it is, so that explains that. He's a real sloppy drunk too. As Pa said, some people get panic attacks, some just chill. I tend to either laugh a lot or just get really quite, it puts you in a great mood. I tend to look at things differently too, like sometimes when I'm watching a movie I think about the whole processs theywent through hof making the scene on screen. I have no idea why I do that, but it usually only happens when I get really messed up.

Videogames, movies, food and ESPECIALLY music are fucking awesome when your stoned. Put on your favorite album and get ready to have a good time. It's the best with close friends because to talk about all sorts of crazy shit and share the experiance (makes everything funnier too). People say some of the dumbest shit when their stoned. A lot of times when I've smoked I've been drinking so that'll fuck you up even more (gotta be careful though). I've learned that I can't drink hard alch and smoke, it makes me sick to my stomach. I've never done any hard drugs outside of shit that was perscribed, and I have no intention in touching anything else. I like the effects of weed and alchohol and have no reason to even go near anything else.

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If you insist. There was this guy I knew that I really hated thanks to him stealing some stuff from me. He was a real bastard.

har. anywho IRT the topic, nope i never was interested in trying, all my friends do and theyre's nothing wrong with that.

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Im not gonna say drugs are bad and people shouldnt do them... but I dont think they're very good for anyone and a person on drugs isn't advancing themselves, learning a hobby, etc. At least that's been my observation. But it's their life.

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Amen to that.

PaCrappa - That was probably one of the most informative posts I've read on here in a while. Thanks. :)

Mortal Kombat is my drug of choice.

Fatality.

PaCrappa, I'm going to respectfully disagree with your "under no circumstances are they necessary" part, as they can be quite benefitial to glaucoma sufferers.

Never done drugs, but pot, psychedelics, and ecstacy sound interesting for what they can do for you. Alot the music, films, and books I like are drug influenced.

Speaking of drug-influenced music, Hendrix's stuff, particularly "Purple Haze" was inspired by his love for sci-fi... Yup...

The only drug I've ever done is alcohol. And I've never been drunk. I try not to have any caffeine but it's unavoidable in chocolate and whatnot. If I have a soda, it's Sprite or something. I don't take Tylenol or anything like that. When my sinuses act up, though, I have to succumb to the pressure and take Zithromax.

I'm an avid alchohalic and weed smoker. Well, not really avid but everyweekened. It's quite odd because no matter what, I have NEVER had hang over in my life, no matter how much vodka or whatnot I drank.

This weekened we got some perp, everclear, and salvia. Perp is the best weed I've had, salvia is kinda like weed (although it technically isn't) and it makes you hallucinate, you interlace it with bud. Then the everlcear that is pretty much 99% alchohal had me on my ass.

The salvia was really freaky because my hands got all big and everything turned 2d like a video game and everything seemed far away. I did some crazy stuff that I'd care not to get into, but all I can say is that it was probably the best weed/alchohal experience I've had to date.

A week or two ago, I was around someome that took some amphetamines. He, a real skinny but muscular guy, was off the freaking walls.

I've been pretty clean for a long time... No drugs, and very little to drink. I even quit smoking at the beginning of the year, but who knows how long that'll last.

Drugs are fine as long as the people taking them can keep control. When the drugs are in control, that's it. It's done. Get help and give it up at any cost. But recreational drug use, I see no problem with it if everyone involved is smart about what they're doing. Problem is, they're usually not. People can't be irresponsible about it.

Oh, and I found this one thing amusing.

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It's fine to drink, drinking's a lot of fun. But don't jokingly refer to yourself as an alcoholic if you're not one. Alcoholism is a serious problem, and I wouldn't wish that kind of loss of control on anyone.

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Good anime, a little dated, good heavy metal references. I used to be a caffine junkie, but then i realized that the state of mind it put me in was just that, and i learned how to do it strictly by will, besides, the coffie and jolt were killing my teeth. beyond that, i really only knew a few pot smokers, and have had some very bad experinces of having some cd's stolen and sold, so i have a particularly negative opinion, but as pa said, results may vary. Btw pa, i am impressed on your seratonin/dopamine knowledge with ecstacy, very technical. overall, i see drugs as crutches, so i avoid them, as i can walk fine.

yea alchoholic was just kind of a joke, like you stated, i only drink with my friends, i dont want it to get out of hand

Never tried any drugs myself (especially now...getting kicked out of the Marine Corps isn't worth it), drank a few times, got sick out of my mind once and decided to never drink again.

As for drug use it's something you REALLY have to be careful with. When my dad started smoking weed when he was young he thought he was in control...and what did he get? My dad was a herione addict for the first ten years of my life (with a mix of everything else) now has Hepititus C and Diabities (which was caused by his Hepititus medicine). He's 100% clean now and has fixed up his life and got back on track but he still suffers from the effects of his drug abuse even now.

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You use mommy's money for that too?

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h0tB0X tEh hUmM3R!!!

Anybody that says alcohol isnt as dangerous as "hard drugs" is wrong. Anything can kill you if you fuck up. I stopped drinking a month ago because I fucked up, bad. Basically, after about 6 or so beers I decided it was a good idea to finish off the bottle of vodka. It was less then a quarter of a bottle, but all taken at the same time fucked me up, quick. In less than 15 minutes I was unconcious. I was a little sick at the time so my nose was stopped up and I was having a hard time breathing. Luckily, I had some good friends with me who acted quick enough (although they all were very drunk too) and took me to the hospital that was less then a block away. Wounded up spending the night at the hospital in a comma with tubes stuck up places tubes should not be stuck up. Very scary waking up to all that and not knowing what happened either. Found out that they drew blood and I had a blood alcohol level of .369.

Not a fun experience.

I used to smoke a lot of weed. I mean, I loved it, lived for it. I had some great times, but eventually, as some of you have said, the shit took over. Word to the wise - do not, I repeat, DO NOT abuse mind-altering substances if you have a history of an axiety disorder. I'd never had panic attacks before, but my weed use started triggering them, and let me tell you, they're fucking nightmares, especially while stoned. Your brain doesn't know what the hell to do in that state, so for someone with anxiety problems, it does what it does best - worry. I mean, seriously worry about otherwise ridiculous crap like "oh shit, I can't feel my throat... the saliva in my mouth is draining down into my lungs" or "my heart's beating too fast... I'm gonna have a heart attack". Like I said, ridiculous to a rational, healthy individual, but I can say that I truly, honestly thought I was going to die. I wasn't going to die, of course, but my mind sure thought so.

I immediately gave up the shit. I went 3½ years without touching it... I gave it another chance last Halloween. Same fucking result - panic attack. Fuck that. It's seriously not worth it, and I have no desire to use it again.

Sorry to ramble on like that, but the point is, if you're looking to experiment, BE REALLY FUCKING CAREFUL. Good times can be had, and it can also fuck you up in ways you'd never think possible.

About 3.5-4 years ago I tried pot, and then a number of months later I had a few things go down in life that set me adrift. I switched my studies to Art, and while that was very rewarding, I also started using pot about once a week. After about eight weeks, this had turned into once every few days, and by spring break every day. I was a social derelict, and was miserable. I stopped doing it, which took quite a bit of effort, and went looking for the friends which I had abandoned for drugs.

I smoke it once in a while, maybe a few times a year now, if that. I've tried shrooms as well, and that was a gorgeous body buzz and freaky fantastic fractal show. I tried a balloon of nitrous once, which was nutty as hell, and some LSD another time, though I guess I didn't take enough for it to do much of anything.
The one thing I can guarantee I will not try again, though, is cocaine. It was head trip the one time I popped money for the stuff, but... well here: I go to this party, and I wander into this girl who I hit it off with. Eventually, she pulls me downstairs where's there's this greasy latino guy, who offers me cocaine. I buy some. Huge ego trip. I felt like I could do ANYTHING, which was quite scary in retrospect... not going through that again.

Be safe and know about and what you're taking!

Generally, I'm too scared to try the really addictive substances, as my extended family has an extensive history of drug addiction, particularly heroin. I won't go into details, but people in my family experienced everything from Jail time to OD'ing to death. I may try some of the other drugs, but I won't go out of my way to find them. Even then, I'll be really hesitant and careful.

I've heard some bad shit about that Salvia D crap. Its pretty big in lucid dreaming communities. From what I've heard, you can have no control or knowledge of what your body is doing.

OOops Jeremy, I should have specified. While I certainly had fun with recreational drug use during my big heyday, I still don't believe there's any pressing reason for a person to recreationally use drugs.

I've heard of that Salvia but never tried it. I always hear that it's harmless yet quite profound. Who knows.

The key to all this stuff is research. If you care about yourself you'll make sure that you stay safe. Like Arjue mentioned, making wise choices from the start is the key to staying happy and healthy, with or without drugs.

Pa

PaCrappa, it's okay, I know what you were trying to say, as for there not being any reason to do it recreationally, I tend to agree with you there, although I have no real problem with folks who do it. I can certainly see how it could help someone kick back and relax, so in that sense, I'm quite tolerant of it.

I did alot of drugs back in my HS days... and honestly the only ones I recommend are Pot, Shrooms and Ecstasy.
Pot is damned fine, and better then alcohol in my opinion... I don't do it anymore, but if I were to do any drugs again it would be the one.
Shrooms are the best of the psychedelics IMO. You don't get quite as good of trip as LSD... but you don't feel like shit afterwards which is good. Just remember the buddy system whenever taking any psychedelics... you don't want to have a bad trip alone.
Ecstasy is completely insane... it's impossible to describe the feeling, but it's quite incredible. Just remember to drink plenty of water while high because you dehydrate like no othere.

Snake Mountain's sweetest definitely looks good! Brilliant picture!

Pa

Is it just me and my ADD, or does smoking weed get boring? Everytime I do it, it's less and less fun... anyone else think so?

Its just you. I love smoking pot.

I have recently been turned on to $60 ounces of schwag that is just as strong, if not stronger than the nicest KB I have ever smoked. KB in these parts goes for around $50 an eighth.

Life in Crofton is good. :)

PA, Skeletor... I wish I could mail you guys some of this shit... but thats a bit dangerous. :)

I'm an asshole, I haven't paid for any grass in nearly a year. I'm surrounded by people who always have it and feel like sharing, so I just haven't had the need, even though I owe waaay too many favors now.

I'd also like to throw in the idea that the best time in the world to smoke grass is before a show. Shows tend to be fun enough as it is, but I have a much better time getting sucked into the music that way.

Other than this one time (and only one time) in my life have I thought about doing pot. I have no real reason to do it as I pretty much live the positives my friends give me for doing it. The clamness, the deap thoughts, I live that. I'm never excited, I talk with a low monatone voice, I don't get emotional about hardly anything and I am always thinking way to much about everything. What are the other positves that people give to it? It makes things funnier? I can just hang out with people already high for that. As said before, people when high, do and say some stupid and funny stuff.

I never wanted or thought about trying anything harder, as a lot of the other stuff is proven to hurt you or effect your brain. My mind is something I value above all else. Next to my heart, it makes me who I am.

I do drink, but here and far between. I don't drink to get drunk, but to enjoy the drink itself. Having said that, a lot of the mainstream american beers taste like water.

I have mixed feelings on other issues about drugs.

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I have recently been turned on to $60 ounces of schwag that is just as strong, if not stronger than the nicest KB I have ever smoked. KB in these parts goes for around $50 an eighth.

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$60/oz for potent middies?! $50/eighth for dank nugs?! Cheebus H. Cripes.

Where in MD is Crofton again?

I used to care about drugs and trying different random "mind expanding shit" and then I realized I like watching cartoons better when I pay attention to the plotlines. Weird, huh?

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$60/oz for potent middies?! $50/eighth for dank nugs?! Cheebus H. Cripes.

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That's what I was about to say. 50 for an eighth is fucking value. Specially if it's good. (I recently had some that was quality, went for 3 rounds too).

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Right in the middle of DC, Baltimore, and Annapolis.

You need the hook up? ;)

That picture fucking rules Skeletor.

Tore a muscle in my back at work today.

The doctor hooked me up...

LOL

Regarding PCP- that shit has caused people to be burned to death in fires, since it makes them insensitive to pain.

I drink in moderation (one or none a day most of the time). Once, a friend of mine suffered alcohol poisoning- he was passed out on someone's lawn. When he was taken to a hospital, the doctor told him "No more alcohol". He was lucky to be alive.

Salvia can be hazardous- it has thujone which can cause seizures. If taken in excess or over prolonged periods, thujone can also trigger brain damage, delirium, paralysis, renal failure, and death. Not fun.

Isnt thujone what's in absinthe? My friend and I are gonna be drinking some of that potion soon.

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Tore a muscle in my back at work today.

The doctor hooked me up...

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You must be in pain if you tore a muscle. Remember! Those drugs were actually made to lessen pain! Not just to fuck you up on a Friday night.

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Isnt thujone what's in absinthe? My friend and I are gonna be drinking some of that potion soon.

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Its traditionally woodworm extract, but that could be the active ingredient in it.

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Absinthe is dangerous mostly because it contains arsenic.

I was a daily pot smoker for about 3 years; just quit that about 2 months ago. While I do love what pot can do for you, it just made me really relax and I'd get very quiet (Silent Bob quiet), I've come to have a love/hate relationship with it. For the last year I was smoking it was every second I wasn't working. I managed a game shop and didn't like being stoned while I had to deal with customers all day, but once I got home I'd hit the bong within 10 minutes. Unfortunately I could hardly afford the really good shit so I was smoking cheep ass schwag and it gave me horrid headaches after I would come down. I only had a few friends who also smoked other than my best friend and they were total pot heads. He'd been smoking for over 10 years (13-24) and was completely addicted to it, you couldn't tell when he was stoned or sober because he'd act the exact same way. He'd take a bong hit seconds after waking up and kept that pace up until he fell asleep. Since we hung out all the time I ended up with the same habits and that isn't a great way to live. Being friends with him also made it really hard for me to hold back on my usage. It wasn't until about 3 months after he moved out to Cali (or so he said, I haven't heard from him in over 6 months now and he owed me a bunch of $ and a GameCube) that I found the strength to quit cold turkey and move on with my life.

I'm not saying I'll never smoke again but I'm definitely going to limit it and only smoke the really good stuff (if I could ever get a hold of it). I miss it a lot but I've moved on. Since I've quit I started working out, eating healthy and meditating every day and I get almost the same sense of calmness and realization that weed gave me. And I'll be starting up college again in January, when I started going in the first place I'd go to class stoned every day and I never got anything done. The only really big downside is that I've alienated all my old sober friends over the years and I no longer want to hang out with my pot-head buddies so I've got to make new friends somehow. Something that isn't as easy as I remember.

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...and then I realized I like watching cartoons better when I pay attention to the plotlines. Weird, huh?

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Same thing here, I loved DBZ when I'd watch it stoned but I can't watch it anymore. It's just sooooo fucking drawn-out and boring if you pay attention to every little detail. And since I've come to like the orignal DB series way better since it actully progress at a reasonable rate and is a hell of a lot funnier. That's just one example but I've reawakened my love of anime/cartoons since I quit smoking.

Wow Xeno Gigas... you quit smoking? Now I've seen everything.

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You must be in pain if you tore a muscle. Remember! Those drugs were actually made to lessen pain! Not just to fuck you up on a Friday night.

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I am in an unbelieveable ammount of pain. It hurts to breathe.

The fucked up thing is those pills make me all loopy, but do nothing to lessen the pain.

So I'm stoned, and in agony. Not a good combination.

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Wow Xeno Gigas... you quit smoking? Now I've seen everything.

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I can barly believe it myself.

"PA, Skeletor... I wish I could mail you guys some of this shit... but thats a bit dangerous."

Sounds like you need it for your injury dude. Youch! It always amazes me how little painkillers do for pain. I heard that they're a great gateway drug though, ask Rush Limbaugh(still happily beating that dead horse). Although all donations are greatly appreciated, I have to say it: Mailing herb to Seattle is like mailing sand to the beach. I don't care what anyone says about Vancouver, Amsterdam or Humboldt County. Seattle has 'em all beat in the quality department and, as always, I speak from experience. Anyways though, good luck Icepick. Hopefully you can generate some gigantic lawsuit and get PAID!

About smoking weed in the morning: It's a bad idea. I've never known anyone who did it as a way of life that wasn't irritable as hell by dinner time. It's also rather wasteful since it definitely does require more later in the day to get that big ol' first hit type feeling going again.

Salvia does sound nasty then. Oh well, I'm certainly way past the random experimentation phase. I figure if I haven't done it by now, I'm probably not missing much.

Pa

I think some folks are just impervious to some kinds of painkillers. Vicodin did nothing for me after my surgery last year, yet the morphine did wonders. Damndest thing.

I tried Salvia once and I'll never do it again. All it did for me was make me laugh uncontrolably for 30-60 seconds, get really hot and itchy and lose my equilibrium. I stood up only to fall straight down to my right, it was like gravity decided to pull me right & down and I had a hell of a time getting back in my chair. It only lasted about 10-15 miniutes and the last 12 were very shitty.

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Sounds like you need it for your injury dude. Youch! It always amazes me how little painkillers do for pain.

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I got some new prescriptions today...

I'm mixing Hydrocodone, Oxaprozin, and Skelaxin. I am not feeling much of anything anymore. :)

I am also out of pot... which is quite a bummer. :(

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I'm about to re-up tonight. Don't you live in Maryland? You could always come down a few states to VA and I'll hook you up. :sneak:

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Who says the world is going to hell? Nice to see people trying to help others out these days.

Shit, I'm about to make a road trip up to Crofton. NO PLACE to get decent KB anymore.

Perhaps you should talk to me through AIM... click the link in my profile.

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I'm about to re-up tonight. Don't you live in Maryland? You could always come down a few states to VA and I'll hook you up. :sneak:

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If my boy continues to not answer his cell phone I shall surely be in touch. :)

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You need the hook up? ;)

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Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls?

Damn, I think I need to start traveling more.

I wanna talk to Samson! Fly me to the moon like that bitch Alice Kramden!

I've tried pot maybe three times in my life. I tried shrooms once - and it was absolutely an interesting experience. I could try it again sometime. Beyond that, not counting a sweet, sweet can of Coke, I have an alchoholic beverage every now and then.

My reason for being so anti-pot is that 99% of the people I've met who smoke pot are absolute addicts but refuse to admit it. I had a few friends who, every single time they went to see a movie, had to smoke before going into the theater. To me, that's sad, when you get to a point where you can't enjoy something as much without the drug as you do with it. That goes for everything, but it just seems to me like potheads always refuse to admit that fact no matter what.

Do it every now and then, enjoy the different experience, so long as it is a drug that can be done with relative safety. But if you're doing it on a regular basis, no matter what, you're a junkie and need help. (In my opinion.)

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99% of the people I've met who smoke pot are absolute addicts but refuse to admit it. I had a few friends who, every single time they went to see a movie, had to smoke before going into the theater. To me, that's sad, when you get to a point where you can't enjoy something as much with the drug as you do with it.

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Those people give the rest of us a bad name.

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My reason for being so anti-pot is that 99% of the people I've met who smoke pot are absolute addicts but refuse to admit it. I had a few friends who, every single time they went to see a movie, had to smoke before going into the theater. To me, that's sad, when you get to a point where you can't enjoy something as much with the drug as you do with it.

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My best friend was like that, it got anoying. He wouldn't go to see movies untill they'd been out for a while and he could get really baked and have half the theater to himself. He really wouldn't do anything unless he was stoned. And, to me at least, getting stoned isn't something I want to do before I go out to a bar tring to meet women. But he couldn't do it without it. It's sad, I don't miss him being around anymore and I miss him at the same time.

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$60/oz for potent middies?! $50/eighth for dank nugs?! Cheebus H. Cripes.

Where in MD is Crofton again?

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That's what I was about to say. 50 for an eighth is fucking value. Specially if it's good. (I recently had some that was quality, went for 3 rounds too).

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Where do you people live? I have never in my life paid more than $60 for an eighth of KB.

60 for an ounce of really good shwag is a great price, though.

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I wanna talk to Samson! Fly me to the moon like that bitch Alice Kramden!

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One of the best movies ever made.

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Where do you people live? I have never in my life paid more than $60 for an eighth of KB. 60 for an ounce of really good shwag is a great price, though.

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Come to think of it, I think an eighth is 50 by me. Obviously no more than 60.

Just curious but do any of you guys work in a place that does frequent drug testing? If so how do you beat it?

I'm hearing rumors that my work place is doing some of the ole' hair follicle testing on some of its employees - How far back can this test accurately gauge when or if a person has done anything? and can I just like shave my head for 3 months straight to prepare for it ? :D

I remember hearing on Judge Judy it goes back 6 months.

As for me, I go to college! My work-study job doesnt give a shit! Bwahahaha!

Not that I do much anyway.

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I remember hearing on Judge Judy it goes back 6 months.

As for me, I go to college! My work-study job doesnt give a shit! Bwahahaha!

Not that I do much anyway.

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Shew !! <wipes sweat off brow :sweat: > that's good to hear as I havent done any of the Ganja in a while --

Have any of you guys ever tried GHB - (bovine growth hormone) - my friend got like a couple of jugs of the shit a while back, and I was surprised to get fucked up and I mean totally wasted off like three CAPFULLS of the stuff. It messes you up like alcohol and it doesnt really give you any kind of a high. Unlike alcohol though it seems to be a bit easier on the stomach because the stuff just tastes like saltwater... so you can down a lot of it and be surprised pretty quick ---- I'm not sure but I think this may be the stuff that was used back when the whole date rape thing was big (pervs slipping the stuff in womens drinks) <shrugs> |-)

Oi vey......... While I have no idea what "GHB" stands for, it would seem pretty clear that Bovine Growth Hormone does not go by that acronym. I'd say it's a good thing you're laying off the ganja.

GHB is yet another amateur night rookie "let's drink some silly shit that we're not supposed to" type baloney "high". Common effects are incapacitation and incapacitation. Neither fun nor recommended. I rate this about with sniffing glue.

For Shidoshi:
"My reason for being so anti-pot is that 99% of the people I've met who smoke pot are absolute addicts but refuse to admit it. "

Okay , I'll admit it. I'm an addict. Wow! I've never said that to anyone before. Grey skies are clearing!!! This is like a whole new beginning. This is quite possibly my first step down that long arduous road..... to my next bonghit!


"But if you're doing it on a regular basis, no matter what, you're a junkie and need help."

You're right man, I need help. This basement is a fucking mess. How far are you from Seattle?

Pa

There was acid at the last Dead show I went to. I didn't do any. I have friends that did speed a lot in order to do their jobs, and I understand. I am trying not to smoke so much pot these days. Just trying to stay real as I work on getting my degree.

Pot is very attractive to me. It decreases the sex drive and makes it easier to study.

Is your avatar from the Hours? Because that would be incredibly funny to me.

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I ain't proud. I don't mind being the butt of a joke, old boy. I just got the pic from an Ed Harris fan site. I got one before and it was from a movie where he played a psycho and people were upset.

I changed it. Feel free to laugh, dude. Life is often very funny.

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Okay , I'll admit it. I'm an addict. Wow! I've never said that to anyone before. Grey skies are clearing!!! This is like a whole new beginning. This is quite possibly my first step down that long arduous road..... to my next bonghit!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Same thing here, I loved DBZ when I'd watch it stoned but I can't watch it anymore. It's just sooooo fucking drawn-out and boring if you pay attention to every little detail. And since I've come to like the orignal DB series way better since it actully progress at a reasonable rate and is a hell of a lot funnier. That's just one example but I've reawakened my love of anime/cartoons since I quit smoking.

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Well, I mean, not that I'm specifically anti-drug or anything, but that seemed to be a lot with my case. Not that I was ever an addict on anything, but I just got REALLY frusterated when I smoked weed because I couldn't do anything without feeling annoyed at it. Like, I'd get the urge to draw a picture, and I'd just sit there, and the lines wouldn't happen. Or I'd watch something, and I'd really super duper want to pay attention to it, and I just couldn't. Me and pot never really mixed well. For some people, I guess it's a god send....but it's just progressively more and more annoying to me as time goes on.

I changed the avatar. Anyway, about drugs. Let's not all be adicts like Rush. He hates Arnold, too. What a moron.

I still love him like a brother and he helped raise the awareness of the public on some issues. However, he is out of control.

Pot reduces sex drive? It usually makes me horny.

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Pot reduces sex drive? It usually makes me horny.

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I don't wish to presume out of respect, but are you young? And not a heavy pot smoker? I only ask because I know that eventually it will reduce the drive. I knew a guy that smoked heavily for years and he had a relationship with a girl I knew. She told me that he only wanted to have sex about once a week. He was very un-passionate.

There are myths, like the one about getting a soft spot in the middle of the penis. However, smoking pot will eventually do what they did to soldiers in WWII with salt peter in the food. You will care less about sex.

I'm not saying you can't smoke. I'm just saying that playing video games 24/7 with the whole 4:20 24/7 365 will eventually catch up with you. There isn't a drug that won't. Alcohol can turn you into a zombie.

Im young, and no, Im not a chronic smoker. I can see were it could mess up your sex drive.

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Im young, and no, Im not a chronic smoker. I can see were it could mess up your sex drive.

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Sorry if I sounded rude or something. I was just guessing. Yes, marijuanna can mess you up. Lots of things are bad for us. Constant exposure to plastic is reducing the sperm count in males. It could be a problem in five generations or so according to the latest data.

Estrogenic compounts have been causing hermaphrodites to be born among fish and aligators for years, and it's begining to happen to humans. How horrible, eh?

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Well, I mean, not that I'm specifically anti-drug or anything, but that seemed to be a lot with my case. Not that I was ever an addict on anything, but I just got REALLY frusterated when I smoked weed because I couldn't do anything without feeling annoyed at it. Like, I'd get the urge to draw a picture, and I'd just sit there, and the lines wouldn't happen. Or I'd watch something, and I'd really super duper want to pay attention to it, and I just couldn't. Me and pot never really mixed well. For some people, I guess it's a god send....but it's just progressively more and more annoying to me as time goes on.

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Well pot really clicked with me but it still got progressively more annoying to me also. Although I think it was because of the lack of quality bud. Really good bud is always great but if you smoke shitty stuff consistently it just gets old. I know I'll smoke again some day just not daily ever again.

4:20/24-7/365

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Well pot really clicked with me but it still got progressively more annoying to me also. Although I think it was because of the lack of quality bud. Really good bud is always great but if you smoke shitty stuff consistently it just gets old. I know I'll smoke again some day just not daily ever again.

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yup. It's my boytoy's drug of choice....I still don't quite understand it tho. I know it effects everyone differently, and quality makes a HUGGGGE difference, but it seems like a lot of time, trouble, and money for not much kickback. =/ especially when it's a daily thing.

Hmm... the way I see it, it's like drinking. Do it at parties, get togethers, weekends, whatever. That's fine. Do it everyday, there's a problem there.

Plus, to be practical, it gets expensive.

Excuse me, but how is it a problem if I smoke pot every day? I work. I take care of my dogs. I love my mom. I help others when they're in need. I give to charity. Plus I'll smoke you at 3rd Strike or Vampire Savior, you choose :)

Pa

Do you mean smoke before the game AND during? I'm up for that. ;)

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I never thought that untill I quit. I was spending $250 or more every month and it's damn nice to have that scratch sitting in my wallet instead.

I don't understand drugs and never will. But so long as it isn't dangerously hardcore stuff and you arne't doing around me/ pushing it on me then to each their own.

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Do you mean smoke before the game AND during? I'm up for that. ;)

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Yeah bro... sign me up too.

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Yeah bro... sign me up too.

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Ey man, ain't nothin' wrong with a little chiba. Those naysayers just ain't experienced it correctly.

For the sake of my curiousity (to those that do enjoy the chronic) how long does your high usually last? I think the longest for me was about an hour and 15 minutes. I usually start coming down after about 50 minutes.

One time I smoked a lot at night and went to sleep for about 3 hours and had to get up and was still buzzed. Other then that was about 2 hours when I was canoeing, and it usually wears after the hour mark. Never really timed it though.

I smoke weed pretty much everyday. Most times twice a day. I drink 3 nights a week on average. By "drinking" i mean at least 10 beers or its equivalent.

I've only done shrooms and cocaine a few times. They can be fun, but its not my thing.

I plan on keeping this up for as long as I am in college. Drugs make things more enjoyable for me-its just that simple.

If you are paying over $50 for an eighth of danks, you gotta buddy up with someone who deals. Then buy it by the quarter and its like $42.50 for an 1/8th.