excellent website design

Flash developers don't make sites like that to show off.

They make them to prove to clients where their skills lay and it works.

Graphical garbage is anything but what that is. It's mostly insanely technical great artwork.
Websites should be considered an art. It's just that it has gotten out of control and everybody can make one with little knowledge.

There is a lot of ignorant quotes in this topic. It hurts us developers very much so. ;)

Flash is the future. Most of them load in the same time that HTML sites take to load.

That pimp productions site is not good. How is he a genius? Photoshop Filter Effects overused=eye sore. Used right = artwork. Same goes for painting in real life, right?

This topic is great feedback though for us designers. So don't feel bad. hehe.

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I like your layouts Kidnemo. Simple portfolio but it works.

Where do you work KidNemo, anywhere famous or in the biz?

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I like your layouts Kidnemo. Simple portfolio but it works.

Where do you work KidNemo, anywhere famous or in the biz?

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Aye, I was going through a very minimal phase for a while, hence the portfolio you see above. You can see a bit more advanced flash stuff by clicking the thumbnails on this page of my 'folio:

http://www.moreevolved.com/portfolio...dia_design.htm

And here is another more graphically intenstive flash project I messed around with:

http://www.moreevolved.com/securityintdemo/

I don't work anywhere very exicting, though my company (www.moreevolved.com) is getting some decent recoginition in the Milwaukee/Chicago area.

Anybody else that has a portfolio or work online is welcome to post their stuff too. :D

I have mine. I'm thinking about a name change.
It just has a coming soon page that I made in 3 minutes and I don't like.

http://www.omegagenesis.com

I like the name, but I dunno... not designer enough? I dunno.

I like that security thing, that nav panel is sweet.

One question. If one needs to brush up on panel graphics and such like your white panels on your security one, where would one find stuff to help?

I know its mostly gradients with a white bar on top (1 px) (or inner shadow) but i need to brush up. Too much time on PHP and not enough on Photoshop these past couple months.

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Graphical garbage is anything but what that is. It's mostly insanely technical great artwork.
Websites should be considered an art.

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you're misinterpreting me. i'm not debating whether or not this theoretical site has nice art.

i have no problem with websites existing just for the sake of displaying flash art. i happen to like several such sites. it's just that most other sites have (or should have,) functionality as a goal. for these sites, pretty art is nice, but practicality/readability is more important. i've seen many flash builders forget this.

edit: i don't even know why i'm arguing anymore. :sweat: i'm only talking in hypotheticals, anyway.

I'm not misinterpreting. Saying it's graphical garbage is offensive and ignorant.

They do take into consideration the readability and practicality of their sites.

Just remember most of us educated designers have sat in COUNTLESS classes/lectures telling us to THINK about everything we do. That seems to be ALL we do. We don't stop thinking.

Show me proof that Pixelranger.com is confusing to navigate, or unreadable.


Also, for the record. (Cause I used this feedback as reference) Can you guys tell me your age so I can categorize the demographic of each advice feedback? Thanks guys.

Nevermind KidNemo :

http://www.joystickadventures.com/panel1.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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I'm not misinterpreting. Saying it's graphical garbage is offensive and ignorant.

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ok, then forget i used the word garbage. i thought i explained myself pretty well.

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Show me proof that Pixelranger.com is confusing to navigate, or unreadable.

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you know, i wasn't even referring to pixelranger (see my above edit.) aside from the 8 pixel fonts, i don't have much of a problem with it.

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i don't even know why i'm arguing anymore. i'm only talking in hypotheticals, anyway.

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I'm not arguing. That would mean I'm angry, and I'm not at all.
I'm just trying to enlighten. :)
It's my job and I can do my best to transfer my knowledge to others.


edit: uh... my knowledge because I've studied this, not because I'm like a god or something. sorry bout that.

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it's just that most other sites have (or should have,) functionality as a goal. for these sites, pretty art is nice, but practicality/readability is more important.

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I totally agree.

I love the flash, but for 90% of websites, they're only a delivery method for saids sites content.

Looking cool is good, but readibility, speed of content delivery, ease of navigation, being viewable to the highest number of users (i.e. browser compatiblity and consideration for lower bandwidth), and content (did I say this arleady. :D) are paramount.

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Show me proof that Pixelranger.com is confusing to navigate, or unreadable.

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Here is a test that I use:

If I'm trying to have a site be as easy and understandable as possible, I show it to my mom. I love my mom dearly, and she is a smart lady, but not when it comes to computers.

If my mom can use it, then anybody can.

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Nevermind KidNemo :

http://www.joystickadventures.com/panel1.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Looks pretty close. :)

Well, call me offensive and ignorant then, because I DO think a hell of a lot of Flash sites are "graphical garbage." People use Flash without knowing HOW to use Flash, and use Flash when there is not one single reason to, other than to "look cool."

And my point about "anybody can make Flash" was that Flash gives you so many more freebies when it comes to design. It isn't hard to make a pretty looking Flash page, because at the end of the day all Flash really is is a big graphic.

Doing something that looks equally pleasing with nothing more than HTML code is a hell of a lot more difficult.

And those two designers you mentioned are getting a lot of money. Great. Microsoft gets a lot of money for Windows, and I still think it is a shit product that's a total mess.

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Looks pretty close.

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Took 5 seconds. ;)
I dunno why I chose purple. Maybe because I was looking at your sig banner and those lil metroid type dudes were calling out to me.