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Originally Posted by Rumpy
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:lol: I didn't think people even read that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Gaspar Noe is also known as a director who thrives on shock value. If you can watch a Miike film, Irreversible will be a walk in the park for you. Most impressive thing about the film is how Noe managed to shoot each scene (approx. 10 minutes for each) in one take. Rough to watch, but not as rough as Miike's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
Yeah personally I hate Miike's stuff...but I keep watching it I guess more for research...because I like to know what's going on with Asian cinema, what the hot stuff is etc...I know a lot of people stand by Miike and say that the violence is really not the point, that it masks some other meaning or theme, and I buy that for a film like Fight Club I really do, but I think Miike takes it over the top too much and well, I think some people do what I do and see it because everyone else is seeing it and talking about it, but I can't say that I really enjoy his work at all...and I can understand how a reviewer who has no context of Japanese film to put this in, could disown it, but honestly, I would not give it high marks either, but my points would be different -- I prefer subtlety, where Miike likes to smash us in the face with his ideas.
Actually it was a good review. He said he didnt like it, then said exactly why he didnt like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Despair
Got the movie last night for my birthday. I was really expecting it to be just pure gore and whatnot but was surprised that it wasn't too bad. I guess after seeing the trailer, there really wasnt that much worse. I thought it was a pretty decent movie, kinda strange but entertaining.
I have no desire to re-view this film, so could someone just use a spoiler code and explain the ending for me? Normally I would not ask this kind of question, but I really don't have the stomach for seeing this again.
I hated this movie. The violence was over the top and amusing, but the rapes were just the opposite, setting up a horrible dynamic between the two. The characters were interesting, but not enough to carry the entire movie. When the screen wasn't filled with the ol' ultra violence the movie slows to a snails pace. I didn't finish it, and when I did turn it off it was during a segment where nothing was happening and I was bored, and not a segment where a lot was happening and I was offended. The former is the far greater flaw.
To say the violence being over the top is Miike's fault... well, it's a little misleading. I suggest looking to the comics the movie was based on (Koroshiya 1), as they're far more violent and sadistic than anything captured in the film, no lie. Band of the Hawks has translated the entire series, which I've read.
As for the plot... well, it's another case of ten volumes of comics or so being dumped into a normal length movie. Something always suffers. I didn't fully understand everything until after a few viewings, and maybe now the only reason I'm so clear on it and appreciate everything is because I have the comics to fill in the gaps.
The ending of the movie also does a huge disservice to the actual ending, where instead of being so disappointed by Ichi, Kakihara actually becomes terrified for his life, and experiences pain and desperation that pushes him far beyond the point of pleasure for him. Intense shit.
That said, Miike does routinely make fucked up films, but in this case, it's a toned-down adaptation of what it could have been. And hell... come on, people, most of the violence (ESPECIALLY the awful CG work) is so over the top and cartoony that it's hardly even something you can take seriously anymore. Like Ichi charging into a room and various plastic-y organs and limbs go flying from the doorway?
Comparing the movie to Requiem for a Dream is kinda ridiculous, as well. There's really nothing tragic or depressing about this movie, even as it ends. There's hardly one sympathetic character in the movie, and the people who get theirs aren't the type you can really feel bad for, anyway. Well, everyone gets theirs, but that's beside the point. Most of the characters are in this world because they wanted to be. There are those who just got caught up in it, but you can't even feel for them in the movie. Kaneko is supposed to be the most likeable guy in Kakihara's gang, but that hardly comes through. The whole subplot about him and Ichi becoming friends and Ichi teaching Kaneko's son to defend himself is touched on, but not so much in detail. When Kaneko tells Shiroishi to watch over his son if anything were to happen to him, not knowing that Shiroishi is the Ichi they've been after all along... that's a big deal. The "long lost brother" excuse for Ichi hesitating to kill Kaneko is a shit copout.
Yeah, this movie isn't for everyone, but I liked it a lot. Moreso now that I've read the whole story. It does make a great companion piece to the comics, which I recommend reading if you're not a pussy.
Ichi and Audition turned me away from these types of movies.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMash
I bought this movie a while back based on several recommendations from people (IE: "Dude, this movie is FUCKD UP! You gotta see it.") and realized about a quarter of the way in that this flick is waay overhyped and that I had just wasted $20.
As mentioned before, the gore is cheesy, almost comical in a Mortal Kombat sense. Not quite as goofy as Ricki-Oh, but close.
The plot was so interesting that I ended up just skipping whole chapters to the end, which didn't inspire me to go back to find out what happened. If ever a movie deserved the "MEH" award, this would be the one.