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That's actually the comment I was confirming, but I can see how it could have been misunderstood. I kind of wrote it backwards. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
What I was trying to make clear is the fact that the Catholic version of Mary is heavily borrowed from other, pagan, relegions. Especially the two Ex Cathedra documents I mentioned.
I like the way you quoted his last sentence, too, even though it makes no sense out of context.
People like to mis-quote me often. I don't think there's anything I can do to prevent it. :(
No, I mean the "water into FUNK" line. It's just kinda there.
Funny.
Oh. Oh . . .
Heh, I'm not nearly as devout or knowledgable as Captain Vegetable or Master of 7s, but here's my two cents on the matter...
I think the most important thing when celebrating a holiday is the attitude of the heart. The Christian is supposed to honor God in all things, and I fail to see how handing out candy to kids dressed as superheroes and ghosts is mutually exclusive with honoring God. I doubt God has much against spreading goodwill to fellow men (and children), which is ideally what Halloween should be about. I firmly reject the idea that any involvement with a children's holiday is synonymous with honoring a pagan god.
But you have to see things this way: there's some people who are so extreme in their doctrine that they won't go to the pool because they think the swimsuits are immodest. That's their choice, even though I don't agree with such a legalistic approach to Christianity. I think it's admirable that they're so dedicated to their faith, even if I think the dedication is a bit misdirected at times (for ex. I think love is just as, if not more, important than strict adherence to doctrine).
Personally, I don't celebrate Halloween because it has no personal meaning to me. All I do on Halloween is make pumpkin pie (or soup) and hand out candy.
Don't get me wrong...these parents can raise their kids anyway they see fit within limits. My point is that doing something just because you think your God told you to doesn't make it right.
:( Dude I am so clueless (i know, big surprise :rolleyes: ). Is the Jesus the White thing a Lord of the Rings reference where Gandalf comes back in the Two Towers? Because if it isn't I don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Man oh man do I hate this. I know of Christians who won't even have Christmas trees in their homes because of the pagan background associated with it. Douchebags, my family in Christ Jesus to be certain, but douchebags nevertheless.Quote:
But don't look down your nose at me for celebrating it, or judge me, or tell me I'm not as good a Christian as you are. And for crying out loud, NEVER tell me not to do something. Never.
Ya know I kinda figured that all but the Jewish holidays were pagan in origin (get that damn easter bunny outta here), but I wasn't completely certain. Thanks for clarifying that.Quote:
Not "just about every," but every last one. The only holodays that weren't originally pagan are the Jewish feasts and High Holodays. Every single last "Christian" holoday was the result of a placating Catholic church that did more harm than good.
Yup. :DQuote:
He is very correct in his statement. The "Queen of Heaven," often thought of as Mary, the Virgin Mother of God, has appeared as simply "The Queen of Heaven," in just about every pagan relegion on the planet. She wasn't Mary in those pagan relegions. The Catholics simply grafted her in.
WTF? How in the world did these doctrines even get out the door? As you already stated it would have been impossible for Mary to have been born without sin as both her parents were of the flesh. As for the second.........HUH?!?! WHA??!! BUH!!!!?? How in the fu-...........Quote:
Also, you might find it interesting that there have only ever been two Ex Cathedra documents to come out of the vatican, and both of them have to do with Mary. Her "Immaculate Conception," wherein she was concieved without sin, and her "Assumption," wherein she assended into Heaven bodily.
Both of these are incorrect when the entire Bible is taken into account. No person who descends from the seed of a man is sinless, thus effectively nullifying the first document, and flesh and blood cannot enter into Heaven's Gates, thusly effectively nullifying the second document.
*ahem* Okay, first of all the ONLY person to have ever entered heaven without dying was Enoch and even then he was translated into the spirit. He did not enter as flesh and blood. Secondly, just where exactly did this asinine idea come from? Certainly not from God. Mary was a woman, blessed to be sure, but a normal woman and nothing more.
Oh yeah, big surprise there. :rolleyes: :lol:Quote:
Both of these Ex Cathedra (perfect discourse by the Pope on matters not contained within the Bible, and the ONLY time the Pope is considered infalable) would seem to have pagan origins.
That's pretty much how the church fixed all their problems with converting pagans. If you can't destroy it, put yours on top of it. Pagan holiday in the way, put one, two, hell put three catholic holidays on it. People doing religous rights in a area? Build a church on top of it. People won't let go of old beliefes? Read the bible in a way that it looks like their beliefes are the same as it's writings. "Oh you have a Goddess, well call me wonderbread and butter my ass, we have one to, we call her mary, she like gave birth to God or something."Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
On a side note, the myth/history of King Arthur, along with the story of the Grail Cup, are a manefestation of the above concept.
Eh, fuck it, Ill admit it (I did it in Japanese class too): When I was a kid my parents were those parents. I have not gone trick or treating ever. I might have when I was a kid, very little, but I dont remember.
Halloween is a very strange holiday for me. I have never really dressed up when I was a kid so if I go to a Halloween party or something here in college I wont dress up because it's not something I ever did.
Sure, I missed out I guess. But really I dont care. It doesnt make a difference to me one way or the other. Im not mad at them or anything, they were just trying to be good parents, I suppose. But I dont hate them or spite them or anything.
To be honest, though, my kids will probably go trick or treating.
Ill tell you right now that at least in my case this is complete bullshit. I was deprived nothing as a child, save for this lone "holiday" (see those quotes, I dont even really think anything of it). I had a great childhood outside of that... oh and my parents never told me about Santa Claus.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy