Bush's Energy Bill

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Originally Posted by Tracer

AGREED! LETS GET RID OF THE ELECTORIAL COLLEGE TOO! THOSE LITTLE STATES JUST NEED IT TO HAVE ANY SHRED OF RELEVANCE.

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Woah, all caps there buddy.

yeah... the trick is: do I like the UN? Or do I not like the elctorial college or do I really mean what I say, in caps, and don't like either?

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Originally Posted by Gohron

Well lets bring up some examples here, this is for the military in total. Somolia, Lebanon, Bosnia, etc. I would like to know what makes you think the UN is so damn great, name a few good things that they've done for the world in total and I'll pay attention to what you have to say. Though to me it seems that they intervene in pointless situations and prevent countries from taking any real action. Their globalist politics have been responsible for a lot of bullshit world-wide. They were never supposed to have any military power but they have plenty of it now through the influence of mostly Western Europeon nations.

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Unicef, UNHRCA, UNMOVIC etcetera etcetera.
Al United Nations organisations responisble for feeding and vacinating children(helping eradicate several deadly diseases trough campaigns in the United States as well BTW), helping the displaced, making global waterplans so future generations will have potable water, taking care of refugees, mediating between nations in often succesfull efforts to avert war.

The UN is not just a building in NYc where a bunch of countries argue you fuckwit.

The UN troughout its existence has aided billions and saved the lives of several hunderd of millions of lives both present and future.

Do a simple google search for UN achievements before you spout yer stupid redneck shit again.

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Originally Posted by Stone

Good christ, you're an asshole, aren't you?

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I know you are, its pretty evident from youre posts lately.

Im just a good natured pacifist.

Okay...so there's a bill giving huge corporate handouts about to be passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by a Republican President, and this is somehow Tom Daschle's fault?

I mean, really now.

I think what he's saying is that the bill would probably still pass through the Democrats. Tom Daschle is against the gay marriage thing and the bill would help his state out immensely, supposedly, so it makes a sort of sense that he would not oppose the bill. I think that's what Stone was trying to say.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

Okay...so there's a bill giving huge corporate handouts about to be passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by a Republican President, and this is somehow Tom Daschle's fault?

I mean, really now.

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No, no, this is the Republican's fault. However, the bill comes with a present for the Democrats - the ethanol subsidies - to get them to look the other way.

I'm going to be happily surprised if Daschle (and other Democrats) can overlook the ethanol bribe and do the right thing - oppose this bill.

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Thirteen Democrats joined with most Republicans in trying to gain a yes-or-no vote on the bill. They included Senator Tom Daschle, the minority leader; his fellow senator from South Dakota, Tim Johnson; and Tom Harkin from Iowa. One section of the bill encourages the use of ethanol in gasoline, an idea that benefits corn-producing states.

The six Republicans who voted to block the bill were Senators Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Judd Gregg and John E. Sununu of New Hampshire, both of New Hampshire, Susan M. Collins and Olympia J. Snowe, both of Maine, and John S. McCain of Arizona. (Senator Frist was also counted among the 40 who voted to keep the debate going, but only for a procedural reason: so he could retain the authority to bring the bill up once again.)

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Kickass, debate will continue. My New England Republican homies came through in the clutch.

And, ah, what a surprise, Daschle bent over so he could get another suck at the sweet nipple of ethanol subsidies.

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Originally Posted by Stone

And, ah, what a surprise, Daschle bent over so he could get another suck at the sweet nipple of ethanol subsidies.

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Thank you for that terrible imagery, you filthy bastard. A pox upon your family!!!

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"You can't claim to be a fiscal conservative and support the profligate spending and corporate welfare in this bill," said Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona. He called the bill a "twelve hundred page monstrosity chock full of special interest giveaways."

A group of farm state democrats, including Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, reluctantly supported the bill because of a provision that would have doubled domestic production of corn based ethanol, a high priority for corn farmers. But Daschle also had serious reservations about the bill and its impact on the environment, and did not pressure his colleagues to get behind it.

The bill was born in secret energy task force meetings headed by Vice President Dick Cheney and authored by Capitol Hill Republicans with little input from Democrats.

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Go Schummer and McCain! I can give Daschle some credit for trying to help his state (which, as a state senator, he should), but not a this cost. It's obvious the ethanol was a bribe considering the content of the bill. It will be interesting to see how the bill gets tweaked, or what new "nipples" (as Stone so lovingly put it) get offered to the dissenters.

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Originally Posted by Wolffen

It will be interesting to see how the bill gets tweaked, or what new "nipples" (as Stone so lovingly put it) get offered to the dissenters.

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You people won't leave it alone! ARGH!!!!