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Aw Crap....I'll just attach it.....Here youse go...
I just ignore him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almaci
1. Economic recovery my ass...the markets may be up but unemployment is still high and rising. People give more of a shit about whether they're employed than how much rich people are earnng on their portfolios.
2. That Bush would lead this country into war if elected was strikingly obvious to anyone who watched any of the 2000 GOP Convention.
agreed! =)Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
BUT!!!
I believe both sides are guilty of of being asswads, ex. like you said hardcore Democrats ARE smirking when people are getting killed in Iraq, but we'd be fooling ourselves to think Republicans would not be doing the same if the situation was reversed, politicians will be politicians, their bottom line is self interest. It just irks me when people who side with the right act as if the politicians they support can do no wrong (in my personal experieces, right wingers tend to pull this routine more often than lefties, my big bro is hard core Limbaugh listening Republican, his mind is shut, I come here and I see someone like Stone pulling the same routine...now my pop is a registered Democrat but will vote either way depending on the individual, it is open to free dialog). Eh, just some observations.
L8!
Ah! See... I get that from you and Almaci... True justice to you would be when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, etc. were rounded up and brought to Europe's "World Court" me thinks... I know you kid, but I think that's the kind of humor you like ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
Well, I guess that's cool. More believeable than what comes out of Almaci. I won't press it. If it's not like, "NO MORE BUSH! NO MORE BUSH! Please God, not another 4 years of Bush!! Oh wait, I'm an atheist liberal, I don't believe in God, but if he does exist, please, please not another 4 years of Bush... Give me 4 years of the other kind of 'bush', but not Bush!!!" then fine :p. But, I suppose there'd have to be a left-wing president in office that I really didn't like to understand this. It's odd to see interventionists turn isolationists and vice versa though. The world's been upside down since 9-11... The French say we're arrogant... The French!! The Germans don't know what war is; they never heard of the concept... The republicans just passed a 400 billion dollar bill for medicare; are expanding government like never before. And, the democrats are complaining about deficits... It's been a little too much lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
You could have a portfolio, too, if you wanted. It's not like only "rich people" play the stock market.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Hell, I'd probably have one if I cared. I hate the friggin' stock market.
Unemployment has been dropping for 4 months, Burgundy. November's unemployment rate was at an 8 month low.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Bush got elected as an isolationist. It was one of the things I disliked about him. His stance changed after 9-11.
Eat a sack, I'm about as conservative as Lieberman. There are a lot of situations where I'd vote for Lieberman before Bush. Hell, I would've considered voting for Dean if it was the real, 1999, New England Demirepublican Dean running, not 2003-Shower-Me-With-Your-Love-Hard-Left-So-I-Can-Win-35%-Of-The-Electorate-In-2004 Dean.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOVESKI
hahaha, could have fooled me, i guess you just hate arabs then. =)
from The Daily Show:
"After months and months of searching, we finally found the guy... who had nothing to do with September 11"
I see the logic, but even if he had nothing to do with Al Quieda I'm sure he didn't mind funding a terrorist every now and then and maybe even training his own.
My main concern is this:
Now that Saddam has been bagged (yay!), what's Bush going to do? The diversion in Iraq has been brought to conclusion. What about the main bad guy here? The one who blew up the Twin Towers and attacked the Pentagon?? Now Bush is going to spend the next 10 months dodging questions about Bin Laden and responding with "we got Saddam." Osama has been at large for over two years and nothing has been said about him. Afghanistan is in shambles and the gov. has been skirting around the issue. Saddam's capture will help Bush in the short term, but unless new advances are made in the hunt for Bin Laden (you know, the guy who started the war on terror?) Bush is going to be in trouble.
Don't misread me though. I'm glad we got Saddam but it's kind of like beating up the drunken neighbor who's been mouthing off for 10 years, while the neighbor who poisoned your cat, dented your car, came on to your daughter, and tried to rob your house remains at large. Sure, the drunk abused his kids and wife, but he wasn't that much of a threat to you. Now that the little man is gone, what are you going to do about the real threat?
If we want Osama we might have to knock is some doors and the international community won't like that, I say fuck them because they usually have their priorities mixed up and it wasn't their countries that got hit by this attack but it's still a matter of concern.
Melf is the master of simplistic wit... I think Almaci's last post will be my new sig.
SC
We get the idea; Saddam was a nobody that destroyed his WMDs long ago, and suddenly supposed global human rights supporters don't give a fuck about Iraqis... But, what would YOU like Bush to do? We have 11k US troops in Afganistan with more NATO support along (not sure about their involvement tho). So, would you like him to have those troops cross into the Pakistani border? Should he divert back another 10k, 20k, or 30k troops to improve the search odds? Do you really, really want that bastard caught right now like I do? I mean, some say he had nothing to do with 9-11... A popular theory floated around in Arabdom was that 4,000 Jews stayed home that day. Some say we doctored the confession tape of Bin Laden... Pretty convincing arguments were made from what I saw . . . I dunno, I hear other points of view that we're the bullies, and Bin Laden was just looking out for the Palestinians cause he loves them with all his heart; just trying to protect 'em from the evil Jews that don't seem to wanna die out easily... I just don't know who or what the real threat is these days, ya know...? Are we sure Bin Laden is even alive? Implied in your whole post is that he's alive and planning his next attack. Should I be afraid? I know we only got half of his top guys with lots of help from Pakistan, so I don't doubt the rest could be up to something... Maybe I'm looking at this whole thing wrong... Maybe it's BUSH that's the real imminent threat, eh? Think about it, yo!!! And, maybe, just maybe, the regime-change really needed to take place over here and NOT, NOT over there.... Woah, damn, I scare myself sometimes... OMG! Stone, save me from this severe fringe left-wingness... It's Almaci, he's inside my head and I can't get him out =\.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Anyway, um, here's my prediction if Bin Laden was captured: Let's see, we'd have the International Red Cross and the ACLU come out and demand to check his cell to ensure he's got his cable-tv access, his koran, plus all the rights afforded to him by the Geneva conventions (that illegal combatant status will just not do). We'll have democrats along with the hard Left shift to the next issue of attack and discuss how we need to worry about the next potential 1000 Bin Ladens that he's created. That, we need to track down all the followers he's inspired; cells he's setup around the world, etc... "No, no, folks, it's a somber day of celebration as we must prepare for the true work ahead of us... We've gotta internationalize internationalize internationalize now more than ever (hint hint: France, Germany, Russia)!!!! We've gotta work better with our allies to track terrorist funds, put more pressure on the Saudis and not buddy up with 'em like the Bush oil cronies have been doing... With Bush's squandered sympathy after 9-11, to the fervent anti-Americanism worldwide we're at now, will his capture really make a difference? Where will he be tried and by whom? Will the Arab world erupt in extremist fervor if he's convicted??? Could this all actually backfire on the Bush administration and the US?"
I think the shoe fits as far as the reactions by patriotic Bush-hating liberals whenever we've had successes (who don't like their patriotism questioned)... So yeah, Bush will be in trouble now cause he'll dodge the issue of Bin Laden you say... Ok, democrats still got their ace up in their hole with, "Where's Bin Laden Mr. Bush? Hmmm?? Eh?? Where? The American inquiring minds want to know..." However, given the Clinton administration's failed attempts at capturing Bin Laden, should we trust a new democrat for the job? I imagine your point is Bush isn't up to the task... So, who is then? Is Howard Dean, if elected, gonna turn things around and march some troops right up into the heart of Pakistan to get him?? I'd like to know what the alternative plan is, if any, since "Bush failed to 'find' him..."
Repeating "Bush can't find Bin Laden" over and over is not much of a fucking plan! Oh sure, we can make great snide remarks and have a good laugh about Bush catching the wrong guy, fine, but is there a solution anywhere here? No. Zip. Nadda. So, I guess I got your message man.. Bush sucks; he got the wrong guy; Iraq is Veitnam II and was a diversion to the 'bad' economy so that's that, I suppose... The "coalition of the unhappy" wants everyone else to feel the same way, boohoo. Equality in misery. Well, okie doke, thx. I learned my lesson, I'll never ever ever ever ever vote republican. To borrow that Dick's comment here, "Bush, a miserable, miserable failure..." Ya know, cause I'm sure Mr. 'Dick' Gephardt couldn't 'fuck' things up any worse than Bush has... Nobody could, har har friggity har.
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Originally Posted by Gohron
You see in Gohrons world Terorism is not a problem if the US is suportive(the terorist attacks against Turkish targets in the 80s by Armenian terrorists, the financial backing and support Basque seperatists and IRA received from within the US etcetera) of the terrorist acts, its only a problem when the US is attacked.
Nevermind the fact that the entire world mobilised behind the US after 9/11 and agreed on the invasion of Afghanistan, that doesnt matter, Gohron here has these ideas in his head whereby the US is the poor little victim and the rest of the world wants to kick the poor old US down in the dirt, the rest of the world in his view of course has never had to deal with terrorism so how could they understand what the US is going trough.
No sir Turkey didnt have the PKK and Armenian fractions to deal with, Greece didnt suffer from The November 17th group, and surely The Shining path are just a bunch of south american philosophers, IRA are choir boys etcetera etcetera.
Almaci.Quote:
the terorist attacks against Turkish targets in the 80s by Armenian terrorists, the financial backing and support Basque seperatists and IRA received from within the US etcetera
Read this slowly.
A...COUNTRY'S...FOREIGN...POLICY...CAN...CHANGE.
A COUNTRY'S FOREIGN POLICY CAN CHANGE.
A COUNTRY'S FOREIGN POLICY CAN CHANGE.
We have made mistakes in the past by supporting regimes that support terrorists, or by allowing American citizens to support terrorists (IRA donations, so on).
We made a mistake by leaving Saddam in power. We may have made a mistake by collaborating with Saddam in the '80s. I don't know, because I can't rewind time, and see what would have happened had we not opposed the USSR's support of Iran.
Our country's foreign policy is shifting. Cheney realized the mistakes of Bush I's administration in leaving Saddam in power. Cheney then began to push Bush II towards removing Saddam. We are, hopefully, moving towards no longer supporting any regime that uses terrorism.
A COUNTRY'S FOREIGN POLICY CAN CHANGE.
A COUNTRY'S FOREIGN POLICY CAN CHANGE.
(I don't support terrorism. But, as an aside, I have a hard time believing that you're bitching about what the Armenians did to the Turks. It's like an Iraqi bitching about Kurdist separatists.)
On your next U.S. tour, make sure to avoid Glendale, California.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almaci
I live next door to Little Armenia in Los Angeles, and I know a few people who would compare Almaci's comments to a German complaining about Jewish terrorists during WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Seriously dude, you don't have to be so obnoxious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stone
Our foreign policy acts with an agenda in mind. Power and money happen to be this agenda, and the US is prepared to take any steps it is able in order to achieve this. Any misguided beliefs that our foreign policy shifts due to a sudden "revelation" or "change of heart" are foolish. So while yes, foreign policies CAN change, rest assured it happens because it is no longer seen as a viable source of income and/or power.
Hey the Turks aint peachy clean at this but neither are Israeli´s with regards to Palestinians yet you deem them terrorists right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stone
Anyways you are here telling me that THIS administration is different that it doesnt do the bidding for corporate America like administrations before it, that it DOESNT support totalitarian regimes at the expense of democracies like the ones before them?
Seems like that IS what you are claiming, in that case tough im sure the presidents of Taiwan and Venezuela would disagree, that the Turkish parlement disagrees and im sure numerous others as well wich we will only find out about in the coming years.
Face facts you little dipshit, this administration has supported nation building, an attempt at overthrowing a democraticaly elected regime in South America in favour of a millitary dictatorship(it failed), blasts of at Taiwan in favour of Chinese bussuines intrests and is a corporate stoogie like no other administration before(yeah let enron execs roam free and put Martha stewart in jail).
Youre smarter then this, youre just looking to score a few cheap points with the less eloquant right wing freakazoids on these boards, as you have been doing for a while now.
I think I speak for many people when I say that seeing Martha Stewart in jail would be absolutely wonderful.
Hey terorism is terorism, slaughtering innocents is slaughtering innocents, no matter what a nation might have done to you to go around and slaughter innocents from that nation or another is undefendable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Yet here we have people seemingly thinking that its OK to do that.
So tell me why you guys arent supportive of African americans and Native Americans killing Caucasian americans then, or not supportive of Palestines blowing themselves up near Israeli targets?
Gee the hipocrasy here is so thick youd need a shinsu knife to cut trough it.
How about Kenny boy then who caused tens of thousands of people to lose billions, who cost those people the pensions they had worked decades to aquire, who repeatedly lied to his shareholders and employees and who secretly sold of his shares at full price while stopping his employees from doing the same to safeguard their meager savings?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
All while he was flying around with Bush in his private jet.
Okay Almaci... Ill be dead honest right now.
I dont want to discuss this topic with you.
Then shut the fuck up or dont reply to MY messages.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Go fuck yourself. I replied to the message I wanted to respond to, and you asked me a question, and I answered it. Im not the one who is out of line here.
Huh? My post only said to avoid Glendale. But given your post, I'll be happy to drop you off there. Hell, I'll even provide you with a bullhorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almaci
Yeah, I do, for the purposes of this board, Almaci is a dense near-illiterate idiot. You need to tell him things a few times before he understands them.Quote:
Seriously dude, you don't have to be so obnoxious.
That's bullshit, there's a difference between "peachy clean", "not peachy clean", and "being the perpetrators of 'Holocaust: The Prequel'. How many Armenians did the Turks kill? 1 million? It was WWI's version of the Holocaust, with Christians instead of Jews and Muslim Turks instead of Germans. There were a lot of Americans back then who wanted to do something to help the Armenians while the Turks were slaughtering them - in that case, isolationism won, and Armenians got butchered as a result.Quote:
Hey the Turks aint peachy clean at this but neither are Israeli´s with regards to Palestinians yet you deem them terrorists right?
I don't support terrorism. I would rather America had saved Armenians from the Turks in the same way that we saved Iraqis from Saddam. However, there were people who could be called terrorists amongst the Jews in Germany, and amongst Americans in pre-Revolutionary America.
The difference between
-Jews, Revolutionary Americans, and Armenians.
and
-the Iraqi 'freedom fighters' using kids for cover in a gunfight, or those Palestinian terrorists?
Motive? Methods? Something you wouldn't understand, with your completely-fucked world view.
EAT...A...DICK. You're a worthless piece of shit who joins the worst aspects of the extreme left and extreme right, supports terrorism, evidently denies Armenian genocide, and seems to support Iran's islamofascist government.Quote:
Blah blah you're smarter than this
I don't believe in the death penalty, ever.Quote:
Hey terorism is terorism, slaughtering innocents is slaughtering innocents, no matter what a nation might have done to you to go around and slaughter innocents from that nation or another is undefendable.
However, I'd rather see a murderer get executed by the state than someone who shoots a criminal who is trying to rape the shooter's wife, and, hell, I'd rather see the guy who defended his wife get executed than a woman get stoned to death for taking her burqua off. Degrees.
There are degrees of wrongness - Armenian terrorists vs. Turks is at one level, Palestinians vs. Israeli soldiers is at another, Al Qaeda vs. American officeworkers. The methods are wrong, the motives might be right.
What do you believe, Almaci? When is terrorism okay? Do you think that terrorism is never right? Do you think it's okay in some cases? Does that include Palestinian terrorism? What about the World Trade Center attack? Justified because of American hypocrisy?