Batman: The Rise of Sin Tzu

Yeah, yeah, I know. There was a thread about this not too long ago. But, considering it was a huge advertisement by those jack-asses who thought they were getting one over on us, and the fact that it turned into a passive flame fest, I figured I'd just make a new one officially labeled "official."

So, the game is now available for $20 (even the LE is $20), and the Batgirl flavor seems to be a bit difficult to get ahold of, and since I'm a sucker for free items, especially action figures, I picked it up. You know what? It's a pretty damned good game.

I'm a huge fan of Batman, so I was probably bound to give this game an unfair advantage, but Batman aside, it's a solid Beat'em up.

I started on Easy, because there are unlockables for each difficulty level. I was going to have to play easy at some point to get all the extras, so I figured I'd start off that way, not unlike Viewtiful Joe.

I selected Robin as my character, who is voiced by the actor for Teen Titans, which is a definite plus, and away I went. At first I was a little dissatisfied with the combo system. It didn't lend itself to any creativity, as there was a total of four combos I could do. Two punch and two kick. I know it only cost me $20 bucks, but a lame combo system is enough to make me regret it, even if I did get the Batgirl fig. Much to my supprise, at the end of the levels you are given the option to purchase more combo extensions and throws with the points you earn for any given level. Excellent. It wasn't as shallow as I initally believed. You can also buy "tolkens" with which to unlock certain bonuses (like character models) in the Trophey Room. On Easy, all you can buy are Bronze tolkens, but certain unlockables require Bronze tolkens, so like I said, even Easy is worth playing through.

Right now I'm halfway through Scarecrow's levels. Each arch-villian has their own variety of henchmen, as well as the standard thugs and bullies who appear in every level. Scarecrow's henchmen drop these bombs that cause a "Fear Effect." It's pretty neat. All of the on screen enemies become some type of monster, the screen goes all wavey, and because you're supposed to be experiencing the effects of fear, you hit a lot lighter, equating to less damage. It's a neat gimmick. If you can get to the thugs with bombs before they drop them, you can avoid the Fear Effect, but sometimes it's difficult to get to them in time.

I'm not far into the game, so I can't comment on boss battles or anything like that, but so far it's totally been worth the $20 dollars. Sin Tzu's voice work is brilliant, and I wouldn't mind seeing him end up in the comics . . . after a trial by fire. I'd hate to see him sneek onto the official Batman scene after having to do less work than Harley. He deserves it, but not as much as she did. ;)

Forgot to mention that it also had a challenge mode, kind of like survival... sounds awesome, I'll definately check it out tommorrow :)

And oh, about the tokens... the only way to get copper tokens is to play with a friend. Looks like there will be some things I'll never unlock :\

Plus CV, are the LE's out in plain view, or do I have to ask for it in particular? And how do I tell which figure is in the box?

I hear it's only 19.99 now. Yada yada participating retailers, so on and so on.

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Originally Posted by Tracer

I hear it's only 19.99 now. Yada yada participating retailers, so on and so on.

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He mentioned it was 20 bucks quite a few times in his initial post...

Dammit CV, answer my question before I go to bed and to Gamestop in the morning :(

I might buy this today if cash permits, I didn't expect it to hit bargain bin price so soon.

*Eeeexcellent*

Roufuss, you'll probably have to ask for the LE, as they come in a special box that makes it difficult to gut, especially if the store you're going to has the regular version. Why would they gut a Limited Edition if they can just throw a normal one up on the wall.

And you'll know which figure you'll be getting by simply looking at the back of the box. There's a celephane window that displays the figure quite nicely, and a protrait of the character in question featured below the window. To be honest, the only thing Batgirl had up on Batman was her rarity. Bats is in his original blue and grays, and it looks fantastic, so had Batgirl not been available, I would have had no problem picking up a Batman. As a matter of fact, I might buy another copy of the game for the Batman fig, and simply trade the second copy in. The capes are all nice and cloth, and the sculpts are quality, even if their accuracy sacrifices posabiblity a little.

Sorry I didn't get to you last night. I was tired.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

And oh, about the tokens... the only way to get copper tokens is to play with a friend. Looks like there will be some things I'll never unlock :\

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Truely, this sucks nuts. But I don't recall anything in the trophey room requiring Copper Tolkens. Maybe I wasn't looking far enough down the lists.

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

Roufuss, you'll probably have to ask for the LE, as they come in a special box that makes it difficult to gut, especially if the store you're going to has the regular version. Why would they gut a Limited Edition if they can just throw a normal one up on the wall.

And you'll know which figure you'll be getting by simply looking at the back of the box. There's a celephane window that displays the figure quite nicely, and a protrait of the character in question featured below the window. To be honest, the only thing Batgirl had up on Batman was her rarity. Bats is in his original blue and grays, and it looks fantastic, so had Batgirl not been available, I would have had no problem picking up a Batman. As a matter of fact, I might buy another copy of the game for the Batman fig, and simply trade the second copy in. The capes are all nice and cloth, and the sculpts are quality, even if their accuracy sacrifices posabiblity a little.

Sorry I didn't get to you last night. I was tired.

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Bought it for xbox... and they actually did have gutted LE's up on the wall :wtf: Anyways, they didn't have any batgirl figures, and it took the guy about 25 minutes to find the LE's with the figures... I got a batman fig, he's pretty cool.

I'll post my impressions later on tonight, but I'm not too worried on if it's good or not. For me, CV has been pretty good about reviews of games, espically comic book ones, so I know if he likes it, then it's gotta have some redeeming qualities.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

For me, CV has been pretty good about reviews of games, espically comic book ones, so I know if he likes it, then it's gotta have some redeeming qualities.

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I really appreciate this. Thanks, man. :)

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

I really appreciate this. Thanks, man. :)

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Yep, I still enjoy X-Men Next Dimension to this day, despite it's flaws.

I'm anxious to try it out after Family Guy.

Well, I found my first gripe with the game. The "Rescue the Hostages" missions are a bit annoying, as you're timed. I think the game would have flowed much better had they just thrown the hostages in there for you to rescue, and maybe give you a bonus for rescuing all of them in one stage, but requiring it, and timing me is just too much. Hell, they could have required it of me, and made it like a hide and seek kind of thing where you can't leave the level until you've found them all and it would have been fine, but timing me is rediculous.

To be fair, they time you from hostage to hostage and give you plenty of time to rescue the next one in line. So instead of saying you have 10:00 minutes to rescue them all, they'll give you 1:45 to rescue the first and then 2:30 for the second and so on. It's much more forgiving than it could have been, but it's still an annoyance.

So, this is a better game than say, Batman Vengence?
Sounds interesting, 'specially at $20.

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

Well, I found my first gripe with the game. The "Rescue the Hostages" missions are a bit annoying, as you're timed. I think the game would have flowed much better had they just thrown the hostages in there for you to rescue, and maybe give you a bonus for rescuing all of them in one stage, but requiring it, and timing me is just too much. Hell, they could have required it of me, and made it like a hide and seek kind of thing where you can't leave the level until you've found them all and it would have been fine, but timing me is rediculous.

To be fair, they time you from hostage to hostage and give you plenty of time to rescue the next one in line. So instead of saying you have 10:00 minutes to rescue them all, they'll give you 1:45 to rescue the first and then 2:30 for the second and so on. It's much more forgiving than it could have been, but it's still an annoyance.

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I've actually gotten to each hostage with lots of time to spare, so I've found it's not a huge problem.

I'm going to second everything CV has said, and say that for a beat em up, this game is REALLY nice. For fans of the Batman Animated Series, it's even nicer. Lots of enemies to fight at once in some places, and lots of stuff to throw and background objects to destroy. They really captured the chararistics of the villains nicely.

As a game, the control is real good. Took me about 10 minutes to get used to it, and now i'm in the groove. Having to unlock moves is cool, and it gives me something to look forward to and to try and get the highest possible score. You're graded on everything, from style to combo chains, so everything counts. Music is just there, it's not annoying and it adds a nice flavor. I've got it on Xbox, and the load times are minimal. It also has some nice bonuses upon completion, ones that will definately make me want to replay it again and again.

Graphics look straight out of the cartoon, very impressed by it, and I haven't encountered slowdown yet, with me and about 6-7 other enemies on the screen.

Haven't tried challenge mode yet, but it's just survival, which is always welcome. EDIT: Tried the challenge mode, it's a nice diversion, comes with all the moves unlocked plus a set number of gadgets to use. Good way to kill some time.

Lots of voiceover work from the original VA's, which is a nice touch, and I haven't heard any repeats yet. So far, I'd say this game is at least an 8, if you go into expecting a beat em up, nothing more, nothing less. I'm reminded of that Adventures of Batman and Robin game for the Genesis, just in 3d.

Bottom line, special edition with figure for 19.99, great deal. If you're the type of person who still plays the old school beatem up's, definately get this game. It's got minor flaws, but nothing earth shattering, just don't expect it anything new from the genre. Definately a solid purchase, and I thank CV for his review that made me interrested.

Ok now, here's my post with the flaws, after playing some more.

In the Trophy Room, I'll never unlock the toys OR the concept art (this is the one i'm angry about) as 90% of them need Copper Coins, which can only be bought during 2 player mode. I'll never have anyone who wants to go through this with me, and it's quite a bummer, because i'm always a fan of concept art in these games. I would have loved to see Sin Tzu in the early stages.

If the emphasis was THAT MUCH on 2 players to keep me from unlockables, they should have given me an option to play with the computer, then. And even if I had a friend who was interrested in this, I don't know if I could keep his attention long enough to get the 30 or so tokens it requires. Dissapointing.

Another thing, Batman looks a little too... short in the cutscenes.

The boss fights, at least the one I've had so far, are extremely easy once you figure out the "gimmick".

Sometimes the camera can be harmful, and there's no way to rotate it.

Some of these moves require a ton of points... maybe I'm just doing a bad job, but level 3 moves have opened up, and I've just now got done unlocking half the level 2 ones. Hopefully moves carry over unto a different playthrough.

The other extras are pretty cool... it's not a spoiler because they are in the options, just greyed out. They show how Sin Tzu was made, as well as his origin, narrated by Sin Tzu himself. Like I said, if that interests you (as it will for most Bat fans), it'll be worth the reply. There's also alternate costumes once you beat it, which has bats in the blue / grey, robin in the short shorts look, nightwing in his old Teen Titans look, and batgirl in the blue and yello . Awesome.

But i'm still having a blast with it, and I don't regret this purchase at all. It's a fun beat em up, and definately worth the bargain price. It almost feels like a lost episode straight out of the cartoon.

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Originally Posted by ChaoofNee

So, this is a better game than say, Batman Vengence?
Sounds interesting, 'specially at $20.

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I loved Batman: Vengence. The only problem I had with it was the first-person batarang aiming. It was clunky and awkward.

That said, Rise of Sin Tzu eats Vengence for breakfast.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

Ok now, here's my post with the flaws, after playing some more.

In the Trophy Room, I'll never unlock the toys OR the concept art (this is the one i'm angry about) as 90% of them need Copper Coins, which can only be bought during 2 player mode. I'll never have anyone who wants to go through this with me, and it's quite a bummer, because i'm always a fan of concept art in these games. I would have loved to see Sin Tzu in the early stages.

If the emphasis was THAT MUCH on 2 players to keep me from unlockables, they should have given me an option to play with the computer, then. And even if I had a friend who was interrested in this, I don't know if I could keep his attention long enough to get the 30 or so tokens it requires. Dissapointing.

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I believe there's a code to unlock everything, including the Copper unlockables. Play through the game until you have everything else unlocked, and then toss in the code for the concept art and whatever else needs Copper coins. ;)

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Some of these moves require a ton of points... maybe I'm just doing a bad job, but level 3 moves have opened up, and I've just now got done unlocking half the level 2 ones. Hopefully moves carry over unto a different playthrough.

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Moves do, in fact, carry over to your other play throughs.

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There's also alternate costumes once you beat it, which has bats in the blue / grey, robin in the short shorts look, nightwing in his old Teen Titans look, and batgirl in the blue and yello . Awesome.

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Dude, that is awesome.

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But i'm still having a blast with it, and I don't regret this purchase at all. It's a fun beat em up, and definately worth the bargain price. It almost feels like a lost episode straight out of the cartoon.

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I'm glad you like it. :D

I just wanted to thank everybody that recommended this game. I picked up the special edition for $19.99, and I love it. If you like beat em ups, this game is definately worth the price.

I'm definitely going to pick up the SE tonight... thanks, Cap'n.

No problem, Mzo. :D

Unhappyness: The game froze on me last night. Damnit, I hate that crap.

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

Unhappyness: The game froze on me last night. Damnit, I hate that crap.

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:cry: I hate that too, Morrowind did that alot.

And the story gets ten times better near the middle of the game, when Sin Tzu finally shows up. I'm loving it even more now.

Dude, I'm still not even past Scarecrow. Work and finals have kept me busy. Tonight, however, there will be no such busyness! With finals just coming to an end, and no work to speak of, I'mma settle in for a heapin' helpin' of some Batman: The Rise of Sin Tzu.

How are your characters coming along? I've been concentrating mostly on the Trophey Room, so the only combo upgrade I've purchased is Robin's Double Circle throw. Have you been using more than one character? I've been sticking to Robin. I used Nightwing once, but I didn't want to spoil a straight play-through with him, so back to Robin I went.

I'll use Nightwing first, he's teh shit. I think I'd rather concentrate on new moves before I even touch the trophy room... it'd make subsequent playthroughs more fun.

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

How are your characters coming along? I've been concentrating mostly on the Trophey Room, so the only combo upgrade I've purchased is Robin's Double Circle throw. Have you been using more than one character? I've been sticking to Robin. I used Nightwing once, but I didn't want to spoil a straight play-through with him, so back to Robin I went.

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I'm doing the opposite, mostly, and concentrating just on combo attacks and less on coins. Some of the level 2 and 3 combo attacks you can get help out a ton, and then you can start chaining the combos together for extra points. Also, the higher combo's with more hits make it easier to get more Perfect's, so you get more points.

I read a little bit into this game, from the one FAQ on GameFAQ's, and the scoring system is pretty deep. The points at the end are calculated in how well you used your gadgets, how many of your moves you used, you get style bonuses for taunting someone, and beating them while the white arrow is over their head, not to mention all the combo chain bonuses. I like the depth of the scoring system.

I've been using Nightwing, decided to use someone who hasn't really been seen in a videogame before. He's pretty awesome, and I like his one liners, such as "You forget, I was trained by the best". The bosses also have different sayings for every character, as when Clayface hit me and said "Take this, college boy!!".

I also like how if you slam an enemy into the floor or into the wall, it leaves marks where you smashed them. Sometimes this game gets crazy even on Easy, so I can't wait to ramp the difficulty up. I have a feeling the lower difficulties are more for raising your character, and Hard and Dark Knight difficulties are where the action is.

And how, just in case you can't figure out the bosses gimmick (Scarecrow had me stumped for awhile), GameFAQ's has a useful FAQ for it.

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Originally Posted by Mzo

I'll use Nightwing first, he's teh shit. I think I'd rather concentrate on new moves before I even touch the trophy room... it'd make subsequent playthroughs more fun.

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You're probably right. Starting right this very moment, I will be concentrating more on character moves! Damnit! Bitch!

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

I read a little bit into this game, from the one FAQ on GameFAQ's, and the scoring system is pretty deep. The points at the end are calculated in how well you used your gadgets, how many of your moves you used, you get style bonuses for taunting someone, and beating them while the white arrow is over their head, not to mention all the combo chain bonuses. I like the depth of the scoring system.

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All that info is available on the Level Complete screen. :p

I must admit, before seeing "Gadget Usage" there, I was neglecting the Batarang. But now that I know I get points for it, I've been using it quite effectively. Scarecrow's bobms never go off anymore, and the second a thug picks up a crate (etc.), I nail him so he drops it. It's a really cool tool. ;)

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I've been using Nightwing, decided to use someone who hasn't really been seen in a videogame before. He's pretty awesome, and I like his one liners, such as "You forget, I was trained by the best". The bosses also have different sayings for every character, as when Clayface hit me and said "Take this, college boy!!".

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The nuonce of this game is so freaking cool. I'm glad the bosses talk different to all the different characters. It helps me get into it that much more.

And about Nightwing: I think it's about damned time he shows the freak up! He is the only Robin to ever, EVER grow older than 16 years old, not to mention the relationship he has with Batman, and just how undenyably cool his character is. I applaud Ubi for including him.

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I also like how if you slam an enemy into the floor or into the wall, it leaves marks where you smashed them.

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I get the biggest kick out of this. Especially with Nightwing's jumping punch. It's just so damn cool. :D

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

All that info is available on the Level Complete screen. :p

I must admit, before seeing "Gadget Usage" there, I was neglecting the Batarang. But now that I know I get points for it, I've been using it quite effectively. Scarecrow's bobms never go off anymore, and the second a thug picks up a crate (etc.), I nail him so he drops it. It's a really cool tool. ;)

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But alot of stuff, such as combo chains (you can string together certain combos, and get a Combo Chain Level 2 or 3 Bonus), and the Taunting, aren't really something they tell you about, plus how it gives you more points for the more moves you use. You can also get bonuses for attacking with a dash, and changing targets in the middle of a combo. So far, the highest amount of points i've gotten on easy were around 24,000.

And yea, the batarang is awesome :D The smoke pellets are good too, in a tight situation.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

But alot of stuff, such as combo chains (you can string together certain combos, and get a Combo Chain Level 2 or 3 Bonus), and the Taunting, aren't really something they tell you about, plus how it gives you more points for the more moves you use. You can also get bonuses for attacking with a dash, and changing targets in the middle of a combo. So far, the highest amount of points i've gotten on easy were around 24,000.

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I suppose you're correct. I don't even know how to taunt, let alone the fact that I can score more points because of it. I did know, however, about the target change bonus. You'll see an on-screen indicater when you do it. Funny enough, it says "target change bonus." :p

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And yea, the batarang is awesome :D The smoke pellets are good too, in a tight situation.

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Speaking of smoke, I think the smoke effects in this game are tight-bangin'. In the very first level when you run through a patch of smoke and it splits around you and re-forms behind you . . . it's just so cool! :)

OK, so what system did everyone get it for, and are there any significant differences between the versions? I'm going for the Xbox one unless someone tells me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

I read a little bit into this game, from the one FAQ on GameFAQ's, and the scoring system is pretty deep. The points at the end are calculated in how well you used your gadgets, how many of your moves you used, you get style bonuses for taunting someone, and beating them while the white arrow is over their head, not to mention all the combo chain bonuses. I like the depth of the scoring system.

I've been using Nightwing, decided to use someone who hasn't really been seen in a videogame before. He's pretty awesome, and I like his one liners, such as "You forget, I was trained by the best". The bosses also have different sayings for every character, as when Clayface hit me and said "Take this, college boy!!".

I also like how if you slam an enemy into the floor or into the wall, it leaves marks where you smashed them. Sometimes this game gets crazy even on Easy, so I can't wait to ramp the difficulty up. I have a feeling the lower difficulties are more for raising your character, and Hard and Dark Knight difficulties are where the action is.

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That sounds awesome.

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

Speaking of smoke, I think the smoke effects in this game are tight-bangin'. In the very first level when you run through a patch of smoke and it splits around you and re-forms behind you . . . it's just so cool! :)

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Yea, and the fear effects are pretty awesome as well. Sometimes the game seems cel shaded, but it isn't I don't think. It matches the style of the cartoon really well.

And I'll let you know Clayface's level's are really boring near the middle, but the game picks back up after that.

I got the PS2 one, because it was the only version I could find with the Batgirl figure. Rest assured, if I end up buying another copy for the Batman fig., it'll be the XBOX version.

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Yea, and the fear effects are pretty awesome as well. Sometimes the game seems cel shaded, but it isn't I don't think. It matches the style of the cartoon really well.

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Not cell shaded, but they do use some kind of shading. You can see it quite clearly on the 3D models in the Trophey Room. But it definitely isn't cell shading.

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And I'll let you know Clayface's level's are really boring near the middle, but the game picks back up after that.

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As long as I get to beat the living piss out of stuff, I'll be just fine. ;)

And for anyone else who reads this, and is skeptical because the game received mediocre scores, just remember so did other recent beat em ups like Double Dragon Advance (which is awesome too).

It's a beat em up, and a damn good one, just don't expect much more than that. I'd easily give it an 8/10, based on other games in the same category.

Guys, I think you just sold another copy of this game. I'm stopping at the store on my way home tonight to pick this up. Thanks (I hope)

Weeeeeee! I hope you have fun with it, man. Let us know. :)

Well, I called a GameStop and they're holding onto an XBox LE with BatGirl for me (No Batman. Bah). You guys've never steered me wrong before, so I'm trusting that this is a fun $20 well-spent.

But, hell, for a GOOD, challenging Batman game, I'd pay more.

I got it today, Gamecube version with the lithograph. The inside of the box has a slot for what can be possibly a figure to come with it but I'm not sure if the GC version really does come with the figure and the rolled up litho.

Anyway thanks for the heads up on the price Captain Vegetable I didn't think I'd get this so soon for $20.00. I only played the first level with Nightwing and Robin but its pretty slick, the combat is solid and it gets better being able to upgrade your character with more moves. I love that you could do a double up move with a partner sort of like SOR but I haven't bought those moves yet so I really want to play it with my friend when he comes over.

Graphics are real nice, especially the rolling smoke that inertacts with you. The character models are very well done and have cool sheen to them but they still have the great style of the cartoon. I've yet to see more but thats just my initial impression.

The music is great I dig the *wakka wakka* pimp slapping style music in the first level and they took the themes from the Burton movies to pump it out pretty well especially that rock'ish version. As far as I can tell Robin's voice actor isn't anyone I know(don't think its the Teen Titans guy Captain) but Nightwing, Batman and Batgirl are all from the series.

So far I think its a good purchase thanks for the recommendations/impressions from CV, Roufuss, Mzo and all.

No problem, Will. I'm glad you like it.

I could have sworn it was the Teen Titans Robin, but I've been wrong before. :p

And that "sheen" you're talking about is what I was refering to when I said it looked like they used some form of shading. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

I just aced Scarecrow. That was one of the coolest boss fights ever. I didn't even need to use a guide to figure out the trick. ;)

To the Batcave!

All 4 box sets of Xbox Batman at my EB had Batgirl in them, so I got one of them.

I'm about to start playing now...

Yay! Batgirl is teh weenar!

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Yay! Batgirl is teh weenar!

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...are you sure the ghosts of those UbiSoft employees didn't possess you?
Or maybe... hmm...

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Originally Posted by ChaoofNee

...are you sure the ghosts of those UbiSoft employees didn't possess you?
Or maybe... hmm...

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Despite what those Ubisoft people said on here, it really is a good game.

Even though my Batman figure is alot better :p

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...are you sure the ghosts of those UbiSoft employees didn't possess you?
Or maybe... hmm...

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No. I just felt like being goofey. To be honest, I could give a damn if you like it or hate it, my livelyhood doesn't depend on it.

I do like it, though, and the more the merrier. :p

That's all that matters to me.
LET THE WANTON DESTRUCTION AND MAYHEM (with power-ups) BEGIN!

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Even though my Batman figure is alot better :p

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Of course Batman is the better figure! Batgirl can't even stand up on her own. Teeny-tiny ankles and a ginormous head will do that to you. But, like I said, she's the more rare of the two. :p

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Of course Batman is the better figure! Batgirl can't even stand up on her own. Teeny-tiny ankles and a ginormous head will do that to you. But, like I said, she's the more rare of the two. :p

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It's just a repaint from the animated series line :p

I purposely didn't want Batgirl, because I've got a Harley Quinn figure from that line, only one I own, and she's a bitch to stand too, gotta prop her against the monitor. I expected the same from Batgirl, but Batman stands well.

Repaints hit the spot, baby!

I love Harley, but I skipped on the figure. I do, however, have a Harley shirt that I wear with pride!

I must say, this game is a heck've a lot of fun for $20. Getting the timing down on some of the combos is difficult, but will probably come to me in time. I just find it unfortunate that unlocking all that crap with the coins is pointless...

I was talking to a guy at GS today about this game and he was telling me how cool it was. Now that I've read the thread, I'll have to pick up that LE (Batgirl) they have left.

I loves me a good beat-'em-up!

How many hostages do I have to rescue, and how many bombs do I have to defuse?? Jesus.

Since you can buy some cool moves, and I love Batman and beat-em-ups, I can ignore all the negatives, but I totally agree with this scoring a 7 or so.

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How many hostages do I have to rescue, and how many bombs do I have to defuse??

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Tell me about it. It's a pain in my ass. Like I said before, if the hostages were there as some kind of bonus point system or something like that, I'd have had no problem with it. But requiring me to rescue them, and then timing me is just ass.

And that whole "invisable wall" thing pisses me off, too. My game ended because I couldn't free a hostage right beyond one of these walls. I had about 14 seconds to kill four thugs with Robin, and if you've played with Robin, you know that ain't happening. So, I stood, helpless, and watched the hostage kick and scream just out of reach, and then I died. Blech!

I would probably score this at an 8. Though I'll agree that 7 is a fair score as well.

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I must say, this game is a heck've a lot of fun for $20.

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Told you I wasn't kidding. ;)

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I just find it unfortunate that unlocking all that crap with the coins is pointless...

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Well, it's cool if you like that kind of thing. I like that kind of thing.

What I can't figure on is why there are unlockables of Poison Ivy and the Joker if they aren't even in the game. Am I missing something?

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What I can't figure on is why there are unlockables of Poison Ivy and the Joker if they aren't even in the game. Am I missing something?

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Cameos.

Good reason, I guess. I know the penultimate battle with Sin Tzu takes place at Arkam. Are they making funny faces at Bats as he passes from their cells?

I seem to get the impression that Sin Tzu's only motivation in this game is "I'M GONNA GET YOUSE, BATSMAN!!!"
Please tell me they develop this more, 'cause they were making such a big deal out of "OMFG JIM LEE MDAE THIS BA DGUY FOR OUR GAME HE IS TEH ROX LOL!!!!!11" and I'd hate to be laughing through the ending.

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I seem to get the impression that Sin Tzu's only motivation in this game is "I'M GONNA GET YOUSE, BATSMAN!!!"
Please tell me they develop this more, 'cause they were making such a big deal out of "OMFG JIM LEE MDAE THIS BA DGUY FOR OUR GAME HE IS TEH ROX LOL!!!!!11" and I'd hate to be laughing through the ending.

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I don't know far you are in yet, but after you beat Clayface, they have a rather long cutscene where Sin Tzu shows up, and they touch on his origin and why he's obsessed with defeating Batman.

Haven't seen that yet, no.
Thanks for the reassurance, Roufuss.

Me = Advertising Victim. I just went out and bought Mystery of the Batwoman . . . you know, the new Batman movie as advertised in Rise of Sin Tzu?

I'll get back to you all and tell you what I think of it.

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I'll get back to you all and tell you what I think of it.

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It's pretty good. Keeps you guessing and all that. Glad I picked it up.

I just made it to Bane's levels, so I saw that little appearance by everyone's favorite Asian Warlord that Roufuss was talking about. Sin Tzu, as previously mentioned, is voice acted perfectly. I can't wait for the endgame.

Man. I'm in Arkam, and I'm very glad I chose to play through Easy with Robin, as I can't immagine him surviving in any of the other difficulty levels. Sin Tzu's thugs bring the ruckus, man. They're kicking my ass. It's just a matter of time before I complete it, though.

Finally got to pick this up yesterday with a batman figure! I'm really enjoying it and it's a wonderful purchase for only 20$

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It's pretty good. Keeps you guessing and all that. Glad I picked it up.

I just made it to Bane's levels, so I saw that little appearance by everyone's favorite Asian Warlord that Roufuss was talking about. Sin Tzu, as previously mentioned, is voice acted perfectly. I can't wait for the endgame.

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How's the animation in that Mystery of Batwoman movie? The preview clip looked like ass so I'm hoping its pretty good.

BTW I haven't been playing this game ALOT because I've been waiting for a buddy of mine to came over to play. We both picked our players (he was Batman and I was Nightwing) and it's a total blast on 2-player.

It's unbeleivably action packed and its fun as hell double teaming a thug as well as saving your partner's bacon with the batarangs and the bat-grapple. Getting more moves is extremely rewarding and I'm glad to be able to do the jump kick even if it takes a bit longer to do than the jump punch. We're up to the middle/end parts of the Clayface stages on normal difficulty but it should be even much more insane on Difficult and Legendary.

My only beef is that I wish Nightwing had the night sticks he has in the comics and that all the other characters had different move list styles aside from the batarangs and the grapple. But still its an awesome beat-em up especially for a mere $20 bucks. It plays alot like the Batman & Robin game on Genesis but without the platforming.

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It plays alot like the Batman & Robin game on Genesis but without the platforming.

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Um, no.

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Um, no.

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How's the animation in that Mystery of Batwoman movie? The preview clip looked like ass so I'm hoping its pretty good.

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It's decent. Not nearly as choppy as the game's trailer would lead you to believe.

I finally beat the game on Easy, but I still need a few more bronze coins and several of Robin's moves (I'm at 60%), so I'll be stomping through Easy for a least a few more levels to collect what I need.

Sin Tzu's a really cool enemy, and the final boss fight was extremely satisfying. Just like every other game on the planet, once you figure out the pattern, he isn't so tough, but the trick to beating him isn't as obvious as the other bosses, so it might take a bit to figure out.

The endgame bonuses are really cool, too. I'll definitely be going for 100% on this one. I am very satisfied with my purchase.

Cap, how many levels is there after:

I just led the Weapon of Mass Destruction into the Batcave. Is it basically Bane, then Sin Tzu?

Yes, Spike, in that order.

On an unrelated note, I really dig Bane's new look. His original mask made him look too much like some kind of "professional" wrestler, and as a result I couldn't take him seriously. Now, with the open mouth mask, he looks a lot more bad-ass. The animated series artist really does a great job with his art style.