they still had the shitty one they originally started with. if they didn't, then umm... magic?
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they still had the shitty one they originally started with. if they didn't, then umm... magic?
It's not useless at all - if it educates even a few people, sparks discussion on a message board, etc than it served a purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
As for the "Truth" ads - I'd really like to know the TRUTH about who funds them ( because it isn't 100% disclosed ) and I'd be willing to bet that competitors of Philip Morris's other businesses ( i.e. the food industry ) are pumping in cash to ultimately try and hurt Philip Morris.
they did have their original camera remember.
That was a most excellent website.. i'm glad that it is fighting for the cause. Even i dont put to much careing into it.. Its a cool concept, but do they have a list of all these labels to sticker??
'Cause some of the label in record stores are small, local, and not on radios.. how do they know which labels to sticker?
Well, there's a list here:http://www.boycott-riaa.com/membershipQuote:
Originally Posted by Chemist
Yea, I know - it's pretty much EVERY label - it's easier just to find the indies ( before they ALL die off ) and support them. One of the biggest is http://www.alternativetentacles.com/ - home past and present to artists such as Wesley Willis, Butthole Surfers, Black Flag, Bad Brains, and of course Dead Kennedys and Jello Biafra. They don't play that RIAA bullshit game and also don't force their artists into controlling contracts or multiple-album deals and seem to be an all-around cool label.
So THAT'S what he's been up to. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by boycott-riaa list
A losing battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Phillip Morris has to pay for them. As they have to provide aid for those who want to quit. So there you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
The "truth" ads are directly funded by the American Legacy foundation, and here is where they get their funding:
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Originally Posted by their website
"Tobacco is whacko, if your'e a teen"
Yeah...
PS: Record companies are greedy as fuck, but recording artists sell their souls to them knowing damn well what they are in for. Its all in the name of being famous and getting rich off of touring and other sources of income. The LAST people to feel bad for is the artists here. They know the drill. Keep it focused on the consumers, thats who loses out, often without knowing it.
I remember checking their website back when the ads were constantly in the Official Dreamcast magazine, and IIR their funding page listed a bunch of sources and some others that were not disclosed. Going back to thetruth.com - I don't know maybe it's my browser ( and I haven't explored every inch of the page ) but there doesn't appear to be any clear listing of funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
From downhillbattle.org: "Hit the "big box" stores, Walmart, Target, Best Buy--mom and pop record stores don't matter much to the major labels, and there are other good reasons to keep them around." Unless you "own" a big-box store ( what are you, a Walton? ) I don't think you have anything to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Gee, I suppose it IS plausable that some artists actually WANT to express themselves musically ( first and foremost ) and not just "be big rock stars" and tour the world, etc. Those same artists are forced to play the corporate game if they want radio / TV exposure - and now the game is changing again. Sony and BMG's music divisions have reached a tentative agreement, merging and forming the largest single publisher, now leaving a grand total of 4. Universal also wants out, so in the very short future we could have 3 major record labels - T H R E E. I do feel bad for the artists, who are increasingly left with less and less choice and end up having to sign away royalties, sign multi-year contracts, sign away rights to the label for the bands name, website, etc. and know they don't have any choice because the other "major labels" will get them the same ways. Of course I'm talking about the REAL artists, not the pre-fabricated "bands" put together by labels or the American Idol-like tools, moldable and puppeted that the labels love so much - I have ZERO love for them, those kind deserve what the labels do to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
These are two websites that explain exactly how the record labels screw the artists - http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
"Record company income:
Record wholesale price: $6.50 x 250,000 =
$1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties: $ 351,000
Deficit from royalties: $ 14,000
Manufacturing, packaging and distribution: @ $2.20 per record: $ 550,000
Gross profit: $ 7l0,000
The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game.
Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each: $ 4,031.25"
This site tears apart actual clauses in major-label contracts and explains them in plain English. Now, before you say "well the band should have a lawyer" that may be true ( and easier said than done ) but the fact of the matter is just about ANY of the deals they may get offered are going to try and sneak some of this stuff through and ultimately they are at the labels mercy and will either agree to the clauses or not have a deal.
http://futureofmusic.org/contractcrit.cfm
"Clause 1: Transference of ownership
You own nothing, ever!
What the clause says:
"You grant and convey to Label, and confirm that Label shall be the exclusive, perpetual owner of all Masters throughout the universe, including without limitation, all copyrights therein as a "work made for hire". Label and all parties authorized by Label shall have the exclusive right to exploit the Masters, and to use your name, voice and likeness in connection with such exploitation. The right to use your name, voice and likeness shall be exclusive during the term and non-exclusive thereafter."
What the clause means:
Unless Congress and/or the courts speak up and say otherwise, you have no ownership or control whatsoever in the sound recording copyright created under the contract. "
...and there's alot more eye opening legal-ese crap explained in plain English on that site as well. The only people I don't feel sorry for are the tool "artists" ( those are the greed motivated ones ), and the many corporations ( who own radio stations, TV networks, record labels, etc, etc, ) who are helping along the way with the screw-job. It's the valid artists ( who are getting harder and harder to find - I suppose it's easier to do choreographed dance moves and grind your crotch at the camera than to THINK or actually express some of your own thoughts ) and the consumers getting ripped off.
I managed to dig up this artical on Courtney Love who gives a good view on how much the RIAA has screwed bands and artists out of their contracts.
http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/20...ove/index.html