Much like evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Much like evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
OMGSTFUSCIENCENEWBIE!@:@:@?@?#2o23 LOLZ!Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
-_- it's stupid for these debates to turn into "is god real?" arguments. People beleive and do not believe for the same reasons. Those who believe do so becuase they "feel" god. Those who do not believe in God, do so simply becasue they do not "feel" him/her/it. It has ever thing to do with a personal connection with the said being, or the lacking there of. Well, this is true for people who are honest with themselves. There is also the group who believe because they can't deal with the concept of nothingness after death, be it for them or their family.
So, unless one of you can make another person have an experence of the holy, it would probably be best to keap away from trying to prove or disprove God or evulation with out God. With out that, you won't be able to do it.
Different ideas on how existence as we know it was made should not be taken to seriously. It is beyond humans as of now to understand. It is impossable for the human mind to crasp it by the religous or scientific. The human mind works with a large ammount of what the bible calls sin. It is a huge part of the very way it works. The sin of judging, being selfcentered, and others are part of the way it works. No matter how devoute a person is, the sin is there, the mind is flawed in some way. Now, if the bible is true then at the creation of of exsistence man was sinless. How is the current mind to fathom such a exsistence? How is a mind that has sin engraned into it's very working supose to understand that time before the fall, before sin was part of the human brain? People have trouble enough understanding people that think a little bit like them, let alone someone with a mind geared completely different from theirs. So how is anyone to really understand the writings about prefall? If those experences were had by a being that we can't really understand?
Now, for science. Anyone who knows anything about physics, and/or the math used to make the models for the big bang theories, also knows that when you start getting really close to the start of it all, everything breaks down. Masses start disappearing, and other wacky things accure. Because of this scienetist have theorized that the laws of physics change as you universe expands, meaning that we really don't know how things worked back then. We can guess, and change things around to make the math work, but not much beyond that.
Having said that, don't you think it is a little silly to get yourself worked up over this topic? You're not going to get a answer, or change anyones mind.
Yes, if I'd read the whole thread properly instead of just skimming like I did, I'd have spotted stuff like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
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To be honest, I think creationism v. evolution/Big Bang is a non-issue. Who gives a crap which one is right? There are solid arguments for both sides.
I totally mischaracterized you, for which I must apologize! I'm very sorry about that - I've had a couple of irritating run-ins with creationists lately and the stuff is fresh on my mind. You are definitely not that way at all, and I've made the mistake of lumping you in with other close-minded people I've met.Quote:
This is all perfectly fine, and I haven't a single problem with anyone who chooses to believe in creation in this manner.
I'm not familiar with "progressive creationism", but I assume it's what it sounds like.Quote:
I used to even be a Progressive Creationist, which is the view you appear to hold. However, after studying it, I decided it doesn't compute, and that if I was going to place my faith in God it was going to be all or nothing, not half-way.
I used to doubt evolution for many years - until I started college, pretty much. It never seemed convincing enough to rule out other possibilities. But when you study biology, nothing at all makes sense unless you consider evolution. It becomes more difficult to disprove evolution than to explain it, and eventually the only explanations for what you see are that either modern life has arisen through evolution, or that God created it to look exactly that way. As far as I know him, God is not the sort of fellow to play tricks like this, so I opt for the former.
The ball falls off your house each time, which is a fact. However, the theory given to explain this fact is that of gravity, which states that two object attract each other - this is an assumption, and not a fact. In this case, it's been shown that gravity exists and works the way we think it does enough times that almost nobody doubts it. But, that doesn't mean that it's an absolute fact. It's possible, although unlikely, that years down the road we may discover that gravity works completely differently than we thought.Quote:
Dude, as far as I knew, a consistently repeatable experiment with predictable results was defined among the scientific affluent as a "fact."
If I drop a ball from the top of my house, it is pulled toward the Earth. It happens every time. It's a fact.
Because of this, it is not possible to "prove" a theory. The best that can be done is to fail to disprove it long enough that it becomes generally accepted. Some theories last longer than others, and some are thought to be disproven, only to be dragged out later as new evidence accumulates.
Ah - "evolution is just a theory" is an often-used creationist phrase. As an argument, it's meaningless since everything in science is a theory.Quote:
I don't know what the point of this blurb is, so I'm leaving it alone.
Yes, he is very open and a nice fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
I, on the other hand, am the sort of person who jumps to conclusions about people by reading half of what they write.
God's the type who leaves a hat in the middle of the street with a brick underneath and waits for people to kick it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Don't worry about it, man. And to be honest, I was way to harsh in my reaction as well. I should have been a bit less confrontational. I apologize. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
And I know what you mean, about the certain close-minded individuals. They can get under my skin as well, but so long as their faith lay within Jesus Christ, they're still family, and I'll treat them with the love and care that God demands.
Except, evedently, when they mischaracterize me. :sweat: Sorry, again.
Yes, it is exactly what it sounds like. Progressive Creationism supposes that evolution could, in fact, take place progressively under the direction of God during His 7 days of creation. It is an extremely common belief held among certain circles in the Christian belief system. Like i said, I came from it.Quote:
I'm not familiar with "progressive creationism", but I assume it's what it sounds like.
I understand this, but I tend to believe that God created it exactly this way. Could I be wrong? Sure. There is a certain degree of ambiguity in the Bible for a reason. But the fact that you believe evolution played a part is in no way damning. We cool, man. We cool. :DQuote:
I used to doubt evolution for many years - until I started college, pretty much. It never seemed convincing enough to rule out other possibilities. But when you study biology, nothing at all makes sense unless you consider evolution. It becomes more difficult to disprove evolution than to explain it, and eventually the only explanations for what you see are that either modern life has arisen through evolution, or that God created it to look exactly that way.
Well, He did make the Duck-billed Platipus. ;)Quote:
As far as I know him, God is not the sort of fellow to play tricks like this, so I opt for the former.
OK. Got you. I suppose this makes more sence now.Quote:
The ball falls off your house each time, which is a fact. However, the theory given to explain this fact is that of gravity, which states that two object attract each other - this is an assumption, and not a fact. In this case, it's been shown that gravity exists and works the way we think it does enough times that almost nobody doubts it. But, that doesn't mean that it's an absolute fact. It's possible, although unlikely, that years down the road we may discover that gravity works completely differently than we thought.
Aw, quit it. I'm blushing.Quote:
Yes, he is very open and a nice fellow.
I think the same of you.
We've all done it before, especially on the internet. Don't be to hard on yourself. It was an honest mistake. ;)Quote:
I, on the other hand, am the sort of person who jumps to conclusions about people by reading half of what they write.
And I appreciate it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
That's okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
The only punishment we require are some of your tiles. :)
I just find it funny that CV never spells the word "sense" correctly. ;)
Is it a Christian thing?
You still knew he meant sense, so why does it matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
Dude, spelling I don't care about, but please don't call it a duck-billed Platypus... as an Australian it irks me to no end... almost as bad as saying Koala bear...Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable