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Right, because it's no better than what I'll get in America if I go illegally. I got myself into the situation because I'm stupid. I can't expect other people to take care of my crap for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
If other people want to, that's fine, but they don't.
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
More people immigrate to the US from Mexico than any other country, but many many more people try and fail to immigrate from Mexico than try and fail to immigrate from, say, Scotland.
Yes, because the demand for unskilled/uneducated labor isn't as great as the number of unskilled workers.
It isn't their right to come illegally into this country because they cannot get a visa/etc and the 4.5 million illegal mexican immigrants (as well as the other 3.5-4.5 million from wherever) should get the hell back across the border or back on the boat.
That brings up an interesting point. I wonder how the demand for legal immigrant unskilled/uneducated labor would increase if there were no illegal immigrants taking the jobs. If all the illegals that are working the jobs now were deported, there'd be a huge hole to fill which I would, without question, prefer to be filled by legal immigrant workers or American citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Considering this, arguing that Americans wouldn't fill the jobs so why not leave the immigrants there is ridiculous. If the jobs had to be filled by legal workers (immigrant or American citizens) then they'd have to be at least minimum wage. If we didn't have enough workers already in the country to fill those jobs then we could let more in legally. Perhaps the same people that were willing to work the jobs for shit money could do it for minimum wage, and pay taxes like the rest of us.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=506421&rfi=6
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Five homeless men indicted in Flushing Meadows rape
The five homeless men accused of brutally raping a woman in a shantytown on the edge of Flushing Meadows Corona Park were indicted nearly five months after their arrest, the Queens district attorney announced May 21.
In the 18-count indictment, the five men, who have been in jail since the attack, were each charged with rape, sodomy, robbery, kidnapping, assault and criminal possession of stolen property.
"The defendants have been charged with acting together as a gang and surrounding and attacking a couple, viciously beating them, robbing them of money and jewelry, holding the woman captive, sexually assaulting her for almost three hours and telling her that they would have to kill her because she could identify them," said Queens District Attorney Richard Brown.
On the night of Dec. 19, 2002, the men attacked a 42-year-old woman and her 38-year-old male friend near the Passerral Building in Flushing Meadows, the district attorney said.
After knocking the friend unconscious, the men dragged the woman to the shantytown where they lived, located in a nearby field of brush next to the Long Island Rail Road tracks, the district attorney said.
For almost three hours, the men repeatedly raped the woman, who was saved only when a canine unit discovered them, the district attorney said. The police had been alerted by her friend after he regained consciousness.
Luis Carmona, 20; Victor Cruz, 22; Jose Hernandez, 18; Armando Juvenal, 20 and Carlos Rodriguez, 22, are the defendants in the case.
Hernandez, Rodriguez and Cruz are natives of Mexico, while the fourth man, Juvenal, is from Ecuador, law enforcement sources said. Law enforcement sources did not have information on the country of birth of Carmona, the only one of the five who authorities believe entered the country legally.
The Dec. 19 attack caused an uproar that has caught the attention of the federal government.
In February, U.S. Rep. John Hostettler (R-Ind.), chairman of the House's subcommittee on immigration and border security, held a hearing into the city's policy towards illegal immigrants.
In particular, the subcommittee examined the city's sanctuary policy, the practice of not telling federal authorities of the arrests of people with immigration violations. The policy, adopted under Mayor Edward Koch, was declared illegal in 1996.
Four of the five men arrested in connection with the Flushing Meadows rape entered the country illegally, and three of those men had criminal records, sources said.
The Flushing Meadows case sparked Hostettler's hearing.
What a pitiful enforcement record. The fine of $10,000 is a wristslap in my opinion, since that's like a penny to most companies. It should be raised to $5,000,000 so those who get caught feel the sting and become examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
They need to enforce it- the hell with tolerance or PCism.
Well, I guess I am also. ;) I hear ya, MVS- they've got to go back. Tough shit for them if they don't do it the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icepick
Did she go back to the motherland?
I think that illegals are getting a mixed-message in their homeland about work here. According to a book I'm reading, Fast Food Nation, IBP, one of the major beef processing corporations, both runs ads in Mexico guaranteeing jobs for their company in the US. These corporations oftentimes hire a bus to go down to the Mex/US border to pick up illegals, and then bus them up to their plants in places like Colorado. All is well until they lose out on their job, which is typically 3 months.
A major reason why these labor laws aren't enforced: The politicians, who say they are heavily against immigration, are also the ones getting the funding for their parties and themselves from the corporations violating the laws. A bit of a double-edged sword, eh?
- I have a friend that wants to come to Canada and maybe settle here permenantly. He is from the US and is a little worried. What kinds of jobs were you able to find under the table and how should he proceed about looking for these jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
DEY TURK EUR JERBS!
You've just described Bush's proposed guest worker program.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan