I am not a U.S. citizen my Dad is not a citizen so it has everything to do with me and my family you pretentious asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
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I am not a U.S. citizen my Dad is not a citizen so it has everything to do with me and my family you pretentious asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
There are a lot of things wrong with illigal immigration and how people go about it.
But the facts remain. They do take the shitty jobs, some don't pay taxes, etc etc. I am not arguing that these things are not done or don't exist. What I am arguing against is people like Dolemite thinking that they do this by choice.
Thats my major issue with this whole thing.
And as far as doing something about this situation Fox and bush have been talking about what to do. It may not be all that is needed but something is something.
right ?
Perhaps if you took the time to explain your exact situation instead of going off on a hissy-fit rant you'd look less like a stupid bitch and more like a...slightly less stupid bitch. I mean, everyone here has explained their views in detail, and then you come along, all like, "u dont noo what they went thru, theey facin hardship! Americans suk!" and basically make yourself look like a fool. Are your parents in this country legally? They must be, if they're paying taxes. If so, they're putting back into the system, even if they're not exactly citizens. Perhaps if you tried explaining what your exact status was maybe we'd give a shit what you say. If your parents didn't sneak under a barb-wire fence to get here then I have no problem with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violently Happy
It's a start, and it's long-overdue.
People may not due it by choice but paying some sleazy guy from San Diego or Arizona or Texas to send you over the border to become a pariah, in a life of shitty jobs, domineering bosses (I couldnt even imagine how many illegals are raped every year), and squalid housing is certainly something... not good and not desirable but that is the life most of them are leading now. Which is sad but ultimately what can you expect from a government and a society that does not want you?
You are asking us to look at it from the POV of them, but look at it from ours. We don't want illegal immigrants in our country, and we CERTAINLY do not want our tax payer dollars, which we work VERY HARD FOR, to be supporting people who are here illegally. It's something that is upsetting. Open up your eyes and see that.
The US border needs to be tightened up (put the military there), the INS needs to be reformed into competency (really the INS has been the sorriest joke of a government agency for years now, and nobody has done shit) and the illegals already here need to become legal citizens or, if theyre criminals, be sent back to Mexico. That's how I see it. Deporting every illegal immigrant is impracticable, a political nightmare, and is probably a bad thing overall. BUT, if the non-criminals can become legal citizens, they could get better jobs, pay more taxes, move up the social ladder, and actually become productive members of society.
Legal immigrants are great and necessary to our economy. Illegal immigrants are not a good thing. Something's gotta give and if now is the time, great.
They do. Granted, they may be driven by desperation due to no money or jobs in their homeland, and that sucks, but coming here and imposing on our country and living the shittiest life imaginable isn't the answer. This is what I've been saying all along, and if you bothered to read the thread, you'd know this. I'm more pissed that our country is attempting to cater to these people with our tax dollars rather than deporting them than I am at the illegals themselves. Seriously, go back and read the thread, then you'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violently Happy
I don't think America sucks. I have everything I have right now because of this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I have a problem with people thinking that every situation is the same. That every illegal immagrint is going to end up or is a drain on America.
Everyone has different situations. But if you had taken the time and not clumped every illegals situation together you might have come off as less of an asshole.
like I said Dole, think what you want.
Nice of you to delete your post, Violently Happy. But I'll address your comment anyway. I guess you deleted your post because you actually did go back and read the thread and see that I was not, in fact, lumping all the immigrants reasons for coming here together and generalizing their plights or saying they were horrible people or whatever. In fact, I never said anything whatsoever about their motivations for coming here, other than needing jobs. Frankly, I don't care. All I was bitching about was the end result on this country and it's economy. THAT'S ALL.
Nice job. Deleting your post is the most intelligent thing you've done.
Well, you probably know more than I do, then. My impression of how difficult it is to be a legal Mexican immigrant comes from reading recent news articles, which I had links to but lost when my browser crashed a little while ago. I don't have time to dig them up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
I know very little about England. However, I spent nearly all my life in Canada prior to coming here, so I like to think I know plenty about the situation there. Some points, off the top of my head:Quote:
England is an island, does not live next to a 3rd world country and has the worst situation for illegal immigrants in Europe.
Even if Canada and the US were reversed location wise, they would go through Canada to get to the US. People go where the money is. If we were a welfare state on the scale of England, you can bet we'd have even more illegal immigrants.
- Open borders between EU countries makes it easy for illegal immigrants to move around Europe. More so than the US and Canada.
- Canada has a very well developed "welfare state" - much more than the US.
- It's really easy to find illegal work in Canada (more so than in the US, in my experience). I worked two under-the-table jobs when I lived there, and my girlfriend (who is American and didn't have a work permit) was able to find cash work within a week.
- Until recently (they may have fixed it - not sure), the Canadian refugee system was extremely easy to take advantage of. It's estimated that half of all refugee applicants who were turned down never got deported. Also, it's very easy for people from several countries (including Mexico) to enter without a visa and never leave.
Using his mad intelligent anyliyzation skylz Gymkata reads the thread and carefully pieces together a symphony of intellect, brilliant thought and the occasionale gramatikal error.
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Originally Posted by Dolemite
I was mad at Dolemite for a second too when I read this part. What was probably intended as "good ole TNL sarcastic bastard humor" came off as
"Illegal Immigrants are stealing money from the mouths of wonderfull American taxpaying children! Heil Hitler!" :lol:
the thing is that I feel that if these people have the oppurtunity to come to this country, get citizenship in a legal and positive manner, and hopefully move up the economic ladder like George Lopez, then its a good thing. The major roadblock to a copecetic situation, involves a couple of things:
1) They need to pay taxes. Come to America, see the sights, and pay your taxes like we all gotta do. I doubt that "giving Caezar what is his" is the least of their worries.
2) Once they are legalized, they can get all unionized. Good luck getting your pay raised but at least they can actualy complain about working conditions at this point.
3) There is a severe lack of education among these people, so most likely they will be doing these jobs for the rest of their lives. However, the children can at least have a better shot at a future then their parents. 9 chances out of 10 this is what the parents are aiming for.
In all honesty I have no idea how all this is going to be organized. The bill itself may not be passed and all of this will just go back to buisness as usual. I do have issue with the whole no sympathy idea. I do think that having kids when you cant afford em is a bad idea no matter where you live. However once you have em, what are you going to do? Tell your kids "Im sorry little Timmy, It was my responsibility to have you and your siblings born when I couldnt afford you." That wouldnt fly with me when they are all crying from hunger. If I gotta take a running jump over the friggin Rio Grande and sneak into the country Snake style and sell oranges on the freeway, Id do it.
Response anyone?
That's probably because they have less and less authority, more and more responsibility, the pay is shit, and schools are more dangerous than ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
Professional athletes have to deal with.....?
I don't believe that. They're taking kids out of high school to play in the NBA. Think of all the HS and college players there are out there, to play on what, 28 teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by DiffusionX
I doubt the demand for teachers is low anywhere. Teaching is akin to nursing, where there are never enough to go around. The fact that more respect and wealth is heaped upon spoiled adults playing children's games for millions is not only insulting, it's one of the things most wrong with our society today.