KoTOR is the FF game of biowares RPG's?

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Originally Posted by BoBVila

I tried to like KoTOR. That said, I already played NWN (which I suppose I liked for a while). The progression of the game is identical...the pacing, everything. Just with a more traditional 3D view. When a game lets me piss off an NPC only to be able to give the same response over and over and over and get a higher roll for persuasion (or whatever else) and be successful, something is wrong. So yes, certainly more linear than past offerings.

PS. The NPCs cheat like nobody's business in Pazaak. Well, until you get all the great +/- 1 2 and 3 cards and own.

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KOTOR is nothing like NWN. In fact, it's way better. NWN is easily Bioware's worst game, if not for Aurora it would be totally unremarkable.

And Im able to win at least 75% of the time in Pazaak, and even before I got those awesome cards, I was winning around 50-60% of the time. I dont think they cheat.

Lay off the crack pipe.

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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers

Well, it doesn't suck ass like Neverwinter Nights. I don't find the BGs and MDK2 heavily flawed.

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You don't think that the monk is overpowered? What about the thief's "use any item" ability. Then there is the bugs that never got fixed like the druid being able to wear the black dragon armor while in the Greater werewolf form.

What about the instant kill spell(that sends your characters to another dimension or something) that you need to have a mage that can cast level 9 spells to get characters back or you can never ecover that character?

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Originally Posted by DjRocca

What I loved about KOTOR is how smart Bioware implemented experience points. Actually talking to people, learning crap and working machinery added experience, which shows depth, how not everything needs to be destroyed just to gain a level. Just thought i'd input my thought on that. :)

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Welcome to the world of computer RPG's 5+ years ago... it's not like some fucking Bioware innovation or anything.

And KOTOR is a much better game then Neverwinter Nights could ever hope to be.

I'm not anti-Final Fantasy activist by any means and even I can see the stupidity of this thread. KotOR is an amazing game, period. Yes, it had a few glitches that unfortunetly hampered some peoples experience.

But they complain because they wish to play more. Because the game is awesome. I'd much rather play KotOR than FFX or FFX2.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

Welcome to the world of computer RPG's 5 years ago...

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Five years ago? Ultima IV was doing a lot of that stuff in what, 1987? And I wouldnt know but Im sure you could find even earlier PC RPGs that do the same thing. Console RPGs have always been ludicrously behind the curve. It's about time they caught the fuck up, not really surprised it took a Western developer to do it though.

Doh, yeah you're right... Ultima did that long long ago. Make that 10 years ago then...

Yeah, I wish Japanese developers would wake the hell up... I'm sick of endless fucking random battles to level up.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Five years ago? Ultima IV was doing a lot of that stuff in what, 1987? And I wouldnt know but Im sure you could find even earlier PC RPGs that do the same thing. Console RPGs have always been ludicrously behind the curve. It's about time they caught the fuck up, not really surprised it took a Western developer to do it though.

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In the Atelier series, you gain experience points for alchemy experiements and doing non-combat related jobs for people, so it's not a completely alien concept in Japanese RPGs. I think the problem is the people buying those game actually like leveling up via endless combat and want a story that doesn't give them really anything in the way of choice. Yeah, it's a stupid mentality, but it isn't solely the fault of the developers.

I like Morrowind's system of rewarding you specificly for what skills you used, but gaining exp via choices made those parts of KOTOR more rewarding than they would have been otherwise.

In Phantom Brave, you can level up characters by having them do nothing but stand around while one poor shmuck does all the work... so it's probably the game that comes closest to real life. :p

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Originally Posted by bbobb

Welcome to the world of computer RPG's 5+ years ago... it's not like some fucking Bioware innovation or anything.

And KOTOR is a much better game then Neverwinter Nights could ever hope to be.

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I was speaking of console RPG's, which for the most part, don't implement experience in the same ways KOTOR does. And sorry, but I don't play crap, and neither should you. :p

"KOTOR is nothing like NWN."

Apparently you must have played the OTHER NWN :confused:

You start off in a certain area, gain access to quests (most of which blow ass), leave area for good with the quests being erased. At least in KoTOR this doesn't happen all of the time.
You talk to all of your party members who don't give you their story until you get to a certain level.
You can repeatedly use persuasion on any NPC until you succeed with a good roll.
Your party members suck ass. Apparently they like to stop attacking all of the time after they kill a guy, even with another in range. Plus even with those "scripts", they still can't use their skills effectively.
It is buggy.

Im done talking to you.