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-Sammy and SNK Playmore announced a collaboration to produce a series of new arcade games for the Atomiswave system. SNK Playmore will develop The King of Fighters 2004, Samurai Spirits AW (tentative name) and Metal Slug 6 on Atomiswave.
KOF isn't news, but Samurai Spirits and Metal Slug is. Looks like teh MVS is finally dead:)
I salivate at the idea of playing the same games again. The fact that they have sequencially higher numbers at the end of their titles gives me a hard on.
The fact they're on new hardware will certainly mean better graphics. I know that's not enough for the purists, but there's the possibility that new hardware could mean vast gameplay improvements for franchises that've been running on archaic hardware.
This excites me greatly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green
The new hardware will DEFINATELY give them room to make more advancements, Green. If SNK really pushes it's staff and the Atomiswave, these new 2d fighters could be among the best ever.
All they need to announce now is a new Art Of Fighting, Fatal Fury, and Last Blade 3, and I'll be set. Shame on Capcom for leaving the 2d genre so early when they helped pioneer 2d fighters as we know them today.
I agree - new hardware + new 2-D games developed by SNK = good times
I just hope they branch out and try to make some differing genres (besides all of the fighters ) and not JUST sequels. Mind you I love all of the sequels SS, MS, KoF and the like but lets see what else they can do...
Metal Slug running at 60FPS, in 24-bit colour, at 640x480, with 64 channels of crystal clear audio? SCHWING!
This was awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
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Originally Posted by Roufuss
I'm off to the www.neo-geo.com forums to laugh at their bitching.
Uh, sure. Maybe. There's no reason to 100% believe that SNK will improve the graphics any in the switch over to new hardware. We'd all like to think that they will, but to be honest, I wouldn't put it past them if KoF'04 used the exact same sprites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green
The worst part is that they may use low res designed graphics with hi res display a la Capcom vs SNK instead of using the true low res capabilities the AW system has.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
You're probably right, though at least they could have some nicer backgrounds, sounds, effects, and music.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Now all they need to do is make an Atomiswave home console. Atomiswave AES?
Isn't there a thing like that called a Dreamcast? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Wow, this is really exciting news...
Though...
...I can't exactly say I couldn't see this happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn, Please let Metal Slug 6 stay hand drawn...
A little worried are we? :lol: I agree with the statement though....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
One Atomiswave board coming up...
Despite how awesome KOF2003 was, they had to sacrifice a great deal of character animation to do it, so yeah, KOF is long overdue for a complete overhaul LMAO
It's about time. But now we have to see what they do. Im fully expecting all new sprites and backgrounds, high-res Guilty Gear X style graphics, and tons of gameplay innovations. They need to catch up on about 9 years of not doing shit.
If they end up pulling Morrigan-in-MvC2 type bullshit heads are gonna roll, though.
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Originally Posted by Green
yea, but hopefully it'll be enough for the whiners (assuming they do actually use the new hardware to improve the graphics)..
i think we've waited long enough for hi-res 2D that doesn't have guilty gear in the title.
It only sucks when EA does it. When SNK does it, it's awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
no it sucks just the same. mebbe a little less because a certain large amount of devout fanboy'ism comes with the SNK territory but its still there.....sucking on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
After playing KoF2003, and finding myself lacking any shred of ability to care about the game, I say that SNK scrap the entire game and start totally over. Give the game a total makeover, and have a smaller, more thought out roster. Since making great sprite artwork takes time, toss in maybe 13 characters or so. Go the CvS2 route, where you can select from one to three characters, and the more you select, the weaker each is. Keep some characters the same, rethink others. Fans of KoF have NINE games to play and enjoy - if they get pissed off by SNK totally reworking the KoF series, screw 'em.
I love and adore KoF, but for God's sake, the only difference anymore is a swap around of characters, new backgrounds, and a new outfit for Athena. For heaven's sake, at least give poor Yuri some decent clothing.
I dont think he was being serious but like Ive said in past threads... compare KOF '94 to Madden '94. Then compare Madden 2003 to KOF 2003. I dont think anyone would've had a problem if SNK did EA-style updating over the past decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
It's cool that SNK is moving onto modern(ish) hardware but it's a little hard to get excited when they aren't making any new series. SNK used to make games in so many genres.
First, I hope none of the changes that you hope for are ever installed. I just can't see them going that direction at all with any of the changes you mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Second, I'm just curious as to how much time you've spent with KOF2003... Because even when I first played this game, I immediately noticed the drastic changes made to both the gameplay, and the majority of the returning characters. All of the timing is completely different, the game's speed is higher, and except for Kyo, everyone's gameplay style has varied somewhat.
Yeah, I agree that the game is mostly rehash characters, but you have to take the game for what it is. It's an episodic, anual tournament. It takes place in 3 chapter stories. I hope that the game is completely reworked in terms of appearance, but 2003 really revitalized the gameplay for me and I don't want the system to totally disappear. 13 character in a 3 on 3 game is absolutely ludicrous though.
The reasoning behind what you were saying didn't even seem like something you honestly believe, hopefully it isn't. I'm just responding because I hope that your opinions don't reflect the general tone of response that people are having to KOF2003 and KOF as a series in general.
I absolutely stand behind what I said. KOF, as we currently know it, is finished. Done. There's nothing left to be done. As I said, every year, the only thing that is different is who was brought back, what Athena is now wearing, and minor tweaks. I love KOF, but if you ask me what the difference between KOF '99, '00, '01, '02, and '03 is, know what I would say? Shermie came back in '02. Kyo has a fireball back in '03. Vanessa is gone in '03. Mai still sucks compared to what she was in '98. Strikers came and went.Quote:
Originally Posted by Do You Like Erotic?
To me, the series came to its peak with '98. Almost every character you had had, classic and updated vesions of characters, the game was great. But every year, as a new version comes out, the fact that SNK just keeps dragging along this dying body becomes more and more evident. People rip on Capcom for making a number of versions of SF2, but if you ask me, that's almost the exact same thing that is going on here. SNK takes the basic KOF game, makes a change here, a change there, tosses in new backgrounds, and calls it a day.
I want to see SNK put in some actual, honest to goodness work on a new KOF. SF3, love it or hate it, was an actual evolution from SF2. I want to see the same with KOF'04, especially as it will mark the 10-year point for the series. Ten years later, still giving us basically the same game is ridiculous.
I ALWAYS play KOF as a single-character game, so that's why I want to see the selectable amount of characters option in there. Graphics absolutely need to be updated. I love those sprites, dearly, but they have to go. I'm dying to see Kyo, Mai, Terry, Yuri, etc. in beautiful Guity Gear-esque glory. And really, some of those characters need updating, or total revamping. I'd like to see what they could do if they re-imagined some of those characters - sort of like what Falcoon did with his "KOF Other" artwork. Iori was great when he first appeared, but he needs an updated look. Same with Mai, same with Yuri, same with at least half the roster.
As well, dumping all of the characters, and then picking a small amount to start up again with, I think, would put more importance on who gets put in and why. Anymore, you've got so many characters that most get lost in the shuffle, and every year you add one or two new ones (most of the new characters in '03, IMHO, are utter ass), and you swap out a few old characters and bring back in a few old characters. I'd like to see the roster go small, so that time, energy, and care can be put into who is in the game. Don't just toss X characters a new move every other year, and then otherwise forget about them. Put care into who is in the game, why, how they play, etc.
I no longer care about KOF, but the prospect of a new Samurai Spirits and Metal Slug on Atomiswave is certainly grabbing my attention.
I doubt SNK would go through the trouble of switching to new hardware simply to recycle the same sprites on all their sequels, though I've been surprised before. They're simply going to have to invest at least SOME money in game development if they want to remain relevant.
Also, of note, it'll be the first time in a long time that SNK's games won't be instantly emulated the second they hit arcades. That'll certainly be a boost for the amount of money their Atomiswave games will generate in arcades. That's probably a contributing factor in their decision to begin to move away from the Neo-Geo lineup.
Um great, too bad arcades are non-existent 'round these parts.
From Gamingage.com:
About time, IMO.Quote:
SNK Playmore and Sammy announced today at the Amusement Expo 2004 in Japan that all future SNK arcade titles will be developed on Sammy's Atomiswave hardware. SNK announced three titles for Atomiswave - King of Fighters 2004, Metal Slug 6, and Samurai Shodown AW. The last title that will be released on MVS hardware will be Samurai Spirits Zero Special.
"SNK's Neo Geo titles are loved by game fans around the world," Sammy Marketing Division Manager Yoichi Watanabe said.
Watanabe said that he wants to include all game fans because the Atomiswave will succeed the market that the Neo Geo established. He added that besides Japan, Sammy will supply the games to global markets, such as Asia, Central and South America. SNK Development Director Kazuya Hirata said that he wanted KOF 2004 to be more mature, something that hasn't been realized on the Neo Geo. Hirated added that he wanted Metal Slug 6 to utilize Atomiswaves AW-NET network system. Finally he wanted Samurai Shodown AM to be all new and the character's appearance to be changed drastically.
End of an era.
Thank god. My eyes now tear with joy and not atrocity.
Next up for Neo-Geo, good games?
I wonder if there will ever be another system that would last as long as MVS. Oh well, on to bigger and better (and hopefully less expensive) things.
Doesn't say anything about the MVS being discontinued. :p
Anyway, mods, feel free to merge if necessary.
People over at neo-geo.com are fucking fainting and crying right now...
Best. Sig. Ever.
I thought you meant Matt Van Stone...
Genius sig, and the N-G folks seem to be hailing this as the end of gaming, hilarious.
I hate Steam btw, not the concept but how buggy the bastage is...
It'd be funny if the bitching and moaning gets so intense that the server that the page is stored on blows up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMET
Just *BOOM!*
No, he's too buff for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
wow, i just vomited up the biggest chunk of pulsating apathy ever.
i would like to like SNK playmore but i don't have any evidence that i should. then again, i didn't spend $300 on metalslug 12 (maybe i'd like them if i did, assuming it was good.) KOF is semi-impenetrable and hardly exciting to anyone but the series' diehard fans. with guilty gear X around, why should i be interested?
i would like to like this news but right now i am not expecting anything. putting any sort of faith in SNKP is pretty much asking to be made to cry.
Great news. Even if they are sequels its going to be worth seeing upgraded graphics and new sprite art. I'm now throwing out my old carts into the bin as we speak because I no longer need them. jk Xbox = the neo geo. Kof2k3 through finalburn kicks ass! The arcade cabinets should just secretly have computers running the emulators since the hardware is so outdated people wouldn't even notice the difference! :D (I have actually seen this happen in an arcade with a normal dreamcast running GGX instead of whatever board it should be running from) You wouldn't be limited to a single game on the cab though.
Metal Slug 6 is in the making? shit I haven't even finished no.5! Why are they rushing them out so quickly?! SNKP are getting desperate I think. The audience will get smaller for each title they churn out because they don't allow enough space between releases and it runs the risk of making people sick of the games. One thing I would like to see is sega (see below)doing thier own 2d shinobi, golden axe or streets of rage on the atomiswave. They haven't touched 2d action games in ages. Capcom have at least contributed to gba releases and viewtiful joe. It would be good if 2d made a comeback on machines using better hardware for once.
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Hajime Satomi assumes the top management position at the Japanese publisher.
TOKYO--Following today's stockholder meeting, Sammy president Hajime Satomi has been appointed as chairman of Sega. Effective February 17, Satomi will take over the top management slot at the company, thus pushing former chairman Hideki Sato in to the vice chairman's seat. Sega's current president, Hisao Oguchi, will continue to hold his position in the company.
In a related story, Yoshiharu Suzuki, Sammy's executive in charge of arcade games, has also been appointed to Sega's board of directors. Suzuki’s position at Sega will be also effective on February 17. To accommodate the changes, CSK chairman Masahiro Aozono and CSK director Makoto Kaneshiro resigned from their positions at Sega the day before the meeting.
Sammy Corporation, Japan's leading Pachinko machine manufacturer, acquired a 22.4 percent stake of Sega from CSK in December, thus becoming Sega's top shareholder. Satomi previously commented that Sammy is considering the acquisition of additional Sega shares and will possibly make Sega a full-blown subsidiary in the future.
Sammy has been aggressively extending its reach in to the arcade market by developing and releasing a library of new titles for its arcade cabinet, the Atomiswave. While Sega has been relatively silent about its relationship with Sammy, Sega president, Hisao Oguchi, announced earlier this month that Sega will be working with Sammy in the arcade game business by merging its overseas operations and possibly developing titles for Sammy’s Atomiswave platform.
Satomi’s inauguration as chairman of Sega comes only three days before the February 20-21 AOU arcade show kicks off in Japan. Sammy is expected to make a number of announcements regarding its Atomiswave at the show, although it is unknown if the information will be related to Sega.
By Hirohiko Niizumi, GameSpot [POSTED: 02/17/04 12:10 PM]
I seriously hope KOF2004 wont turn out like what IGS did with Knights of Valour on the Atomiswave.... I've got a nasty feeling it might though with the dev and release dates being quite narrow.
Well we don't really know how long they have been working on these games so who knows. I guess we'll find out in May when King Of Fighters 2004 arrives for beta testing.
Kron, what did IGS do with the Atomiswave version of Knights of Valour?
Just the usual 3D backgrounds / fake low res atrocities.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bastard
http://www.neogeo-world.com/imagesnews/kovss/3.jpg
More info / pics: http://boards.gamers.com/messages/me...cadet&id=zzdrd
Disgusting! Absolutely disgusting! I'm no graphics whore, but atrocities like these should be punished. Nothing goes together at all. I'll take my low resolution SNK Playmore crap over this anyday...
Does the game play any good though or is the gameplay as shitty as the graphics?
Well, hardware differences should be kept in mind... compare KOF '95 to Madden '95 (PS1 version). Then compare Madden 2003 (PS1 version) to KOF 2003. Suddenly SNK-style upgrading doesn't seem so bad. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
So after a year of speculation, it turns out Dreamcast will be the next Neo Geo, too bad none of these games will ever appear on it. *-neo
All the more reason to put it on better hardware when it's available.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrod
diffusionX - Gee ripping off my sig is SOOOO original :rolleyes:
Anyway:
"-The more blood in a game, the better!"
Only if your a twisted sicko who NEEDS that to enjoy a game. If that describes you , I feel VERY sorry for you :( , as you obviously arent a true gamer (one who plays the games for GAMEPLAY above all else)
A TRUE gamer can enjoy a game with great gameplay but NO Blood/gore ;)
"-A good game NEEDS to have hookers, sawed-off shotguns, decapitations, and a Monster Moon."
Ah right. So lets see that means accoridng to you, Manhunt would be a better game than say: Final Fantasy, Super Mario World, Gunstar Heroes, Radiant Silvergun, or ANY Zelda game? :lol: :lol: :lol:
That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. The GAMEPLAY in ANY of those games DESTROYS Manhunts pitiful excuse for gameplay :D
"-"FUCK SHIT ASS FUCK SHIT SHIT ASS. That's the ONLY dialogue a game needs to have. Well, that and some sexual innuendoes."
I dont know who said it but: "Swearing is last resort of a weak mind, and of a person who has an EXTREMELY limited vocabulary" ;)
Oh yeah and cursing STILL doesnt make the game have more replay value :D
"-I am color blind, so only use three or four colors."
Actually if your WERE colorblind (and all colors looke black/white/gray to you) then they should STILL use a good variety of colors :) After all, MANY shades of black and white is still better than a few shades of black and white. ;)
"-Playing games on LSD is KING!"
Ah yes, so you're a drug addict too. That explains why none of these statements of yours makes any sense ;) Get some help ;)
BTW the classic ORIGINAL sig of mine is below :D
The day this is officially announced, I will poke a hole in my computer monitor, and fuck it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
I believe this news.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhowerter
Holy christ!Quote:
Originally Posted by dhowerter
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Icepick
And the prayers of millions of gamers were finally answered. Begone foul MVS!!!
Thy depature is long overdue!!
Hey, every sprite in KoF 2003 was at least touched up, and at least half the characters were entirely new.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Hell 2003's tag team was a pretty big upgrade in and of itself. SNK Playmore is slowly learning. 2003 was plenty good, and with new hardware I'm sure 2004 will be great.
The thing is, I really don't care if it's high res. The main thing holding KoF back as far as I'm concerned is the ROM size limit that forces them into an inescapable push-pull between a good character sleection and good animation. On Atomiswave they could add all the characters and frames of animation they wanted and not have to worry. A KoF with like 40 characters and Mark of the Wolves-level animation is reason enough to get excited. It doesn't have to look like guilty gear.
What people should be asking for is a GGX that plays as well as MotW. Having the gameplay right is more important than being high res. Of course, if the Atomiswave KoF is in high res, then the Guilty Gear series will be instantly rendered useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Because, you know, Guilty Gear plays like shit...
wait, no it doesn't...
It doesn't play as well as MotW or 3rd Strike. Thus, if Capcom or SNK get on the high res train, GG becomes obsolete.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Seems like most of people is missing that there are TWO Atomiswave KOF coming this year: 2004 edition from SNKP and KOF Neo Wave from Sammy themselves, which was announced some months ago. We all know that Sammy is not Arc System Works, thoe.
Neo Wave? I don't remember that being announced. btw, I remember reading somewhere recently that the 3D KOF game for PS2 is still on track.
The 3D KOF game is PS2 only, Its not an Atomiswave title.
It was announced more or less at the same time Sammy vs Capcom was. The title has been chosen recently, thoe: http://gameonline.jp/news/2004/02/20007.html. So Sammy, as did Eolith, Mega or Yuki at their moments, bought the rights to produce an SNK universe title.
PS2 KOF 3D Max is the third KOF game for this? year.
Agreed, which is what SNKP's doing now. It's not like the firm hadn't tried before though... their Hyper Neo*Geo 64 board was ignored by operators (and in turn the public) and the company was eaten up by Aruze before they could put their Naomi license to any use. As is, the progress we've gotten on NeoGeo isn't that bad all things considered, they've pushed that board far more than EA has any single platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx