except for the fact that Stern hasn't been fined in YEARS
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except for the fact that Stern hasn't been fined in YEARS
I actually wasn't talking about the ClearChannel end of Stern's predicatment. Viacom owns Stern and Infinity Broadcasting. Whatever ClearChannel does is their own business. It's shitty that they dropped him, but I was more pissed at the censorship end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
The FCC does too fine and ask questions later. Nobody knows what they can and can't say on the radio now. The managers don't know how to set any rules because the FCC hasn't defined any. Indecency violations are totally up to them.
Stern's show out here is a taped thing, so we don't usually hear the dead air, and today they cut out a portion where Howard was talking about Paula Zahn. All we heard in LA was him talking, then it skipping, then a listener called in to tell him that there was a bunch of silence during those parts. They bleeped him talking about lingerie and how she smells down there. I wanted to hear that, but I couldn't. That hampers my enjoyment. Howard Stern is on to entertain his listeners. He's not on the air to appease people who get offended when someone says "ass" or bares a breast because they are incapable of monitoring their children or changing the station.
Those people should go crawl into the holes they came out of and leave the rest of us sensible people alone. God damned terrorists. That's what they are to me, people who want to censor the radio and movies and video games: terrorists. Fuck 'em all.
Yes, the world is going to hell because Howard Stern couldn't speak freely about the aroma of Paula Zahn's pussy.
When did you turn into ShineAqua?
The topic is inconsequential, it's a matter of rights, but falling back on your argument is how politicians will push through legislation that is damaging to everyone's personal freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Is this The United States of Mike?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
No, it is not.
The FCC, and in turn, the government, is not protecting us from ourselves. They are merely reacting to what the majority of people seem to want. This is why they are so wishy-washy about enforcing their policies, since judging what the people really want is not very easy. It is censorship, but not in the most important sense -- Stern can still express whatever ideas he wants, but the way he expresses those ideas is not allowed to go beyond the standards the community, not the government,sets.
Notice the cycles in TV programming over the years -- some years it is raunchy, some it gets toned down (usually after people complain). This is the standard cycle the FCC follows. They ignore it for a bit, then the broadcasters get a bit more reckless with their programming, which prompts people to protest to the FCC, which forces them to wake up again and enforce thier policies. Teh Sagging Boobie is the only reason we're seeing this now -- so many people got pissed off and called in because little 8 year old Johnny is now asking what that thingy was under her costume that the FCC has to save face and actually prove they are worth their budget. It's not a Bush administration ploy, nor is it a left-wing socialistic conspiracy; it's merely the government reacting to the will of the people, and a corporation reacting to the prospect of losing a large amount of money.
In short, quit whining. You are not the only person who exists in your community. Be considerate of other people around you -- and that extends to accepting what they perceive to be obscene and learning to compromise. I will admit that bleeping out Stern is silly, but so is that attitude.
How is not being able to talk about Paula Zahn's hoohah on public airwaves infringing on his rights? He can talk about that all he wants in private, within his circle of friends, whatever -- but when he broadcasts it out in public to people who may not want to hear that dribble (such as people tuning to different stations, people overhearing it from someone else's radio, etc), he's possibly infringing on their right to not listen to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormy
Again, it's about compromising to the community standards, not being censored by teh 3v1l g0vment. Sheesh.
Oh my god you are an idiot. You're equating Howard Stern to the burning of books on a level of importance? I don't mind Howard, but his product is trash. Howard isn't a book that is being burned because it gives us ideas or thoughts that are "dangerous" to certain groups of people - Howard is a smut peddler. Clear Channel doesn't want that smut on their stations anymore, so they kick him off. This isn't book burning, this is saying that a certain book chain doesn't want to carry a certain book anymore. They aren't trying to stop you from listening to Howard, they just don't want to be responsible for his product anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
And there's a good idea that's been said many times... just because you're free to say anything you want doesn't mean you should. If his show had an ounce of artistic merit to it, then I could support him. But it doesn't. This isn't the situation where people were trying to ban "To Kill a Mockingbird," a book with honest to goodness artistic merit. This is a radio show with a hornball host who just gets his kicked off of stupid jokes and endlessly talking about sex.
I fully support pornography. If you want to watch porn in the privacy of your own home, you have every right to. If you want to go to a porn theater and watch it there, go right ahead. But when I walk down the street, I shouldn't have to be exposed to any sorts of pornography. As a civilized society, we should have some level of respect and dignity when it comes to public goings on. Radio is a public medium, and if society chooses to have certain standards for what can and cannot air, they should be followed. Is it against your free speech that you can't go have sex with your girlfriend right in the middle of a public park? (If you say yes, then you have far more problems than are being discussed here.) If Stern wants to go to private pay radio and get away with murder, more power to him. But so long as he is on public, free radio, he can either follow the guidelines, or pack his bags.
I used to be like you, saying that anything that impeded on total freedom of speech was censorship, and that anybody should have the right to say anything at anytime. I used to think that when I was still young and stupid. Now that I'm older, I realize that there are things such as public decency, having respect for others, the problems with continued excess of garbage on our airwaves, televisions, etc., and other such things. I also learned that freedom to enjoy what you want to enjoy in the right situations and places AND also having respect for maintaining a public level of decenty aren't conflicting ideas.
GO-GO shidoshi.
I am impressed by how many times you've said things that I agree 100% with.
This doesn't reflect well on you shidoshi. Don't get me wrong you made a lot of good points, but any endoresment by Veggie is just icky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
So says the guy with CHAM in his avatar.
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lhadatt
How long is it going to take people to realize this?
Hehe. Uh oh... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
EDIT: OH yeah, and I will eventually think of a witty and informed response to both your posts. However, it's 10am here in CA at the moment and I am unable to think. But just you wait, I shall taunt you a second time, sons of a silly person!