So is Ninja Gaiden The Best Ninja Game Of All Time?

Maybe it's way too soon for this - the game just came out last week, and I myself am only on like chapter 5.

But let's examine the facts:

1. Ninjas are mammals.

2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.

3. The purpose of the Ninja is to flip out and kill people.

Weapons and Gear: Ninja Sword, Ninja Stars, Ninja Outfit.

Xbox Ninja Gaiden is the living embodiment of flipping out and killing people. I mean, you pretty much do nothing but, and in innumerable totally rad ways. Like, when you run along a wall, flip around, knock a guy up in the air with your sword, riddle his body with ninja stars, then kick his head off.

Folks, that's why videogames were invented.

The only other titles I think even deserve mentioning alongside this game are PS2 Shinobi, Ninja Gaiden II and maybe one of the Tenchus. One of those games is on this disc, and Xbox Gaiden has pretty much everything PS2 Shinobi does. (I've never played Kunoichi).

So honestly, has there ever been a better Ninja game than Xbox Ninja Gaiden? FAIR WARNING: anyone calling into the question the quality of this game will be treated with the mockery and derision you deserve.

Ninja Gaiden II, Ninja Spirit, and Shinobi III are ALL better than Xbox Ninja Gaiden.

'nuff said.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

FAIR WARNING: anyone calling into the question the quality of this game will be treated with the mockery and derision you deserve.

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Oh, oh! Me first!

Yes.

But everyone here sucks tons of Shinobi and 8-bit Ninja cock, so I doubt that is the popular opinion.

I mean, I love me some Shinobi/8-bit Ninja cock like the best of 'em, but this is Ninja Gaiden here.

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Originally Posted by Andy

I mean, I love me some Shinobi/8-bit Ninja cock like the best of 'em,

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:wtf: You just admitted that you like cock. It doesn't metter if it's Ninja or not. :yuck:

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Originally Posted by Andy

Yes.

But everyone here sucks tons of Shinobi and 8-bit Ninja cock, so I doubt that is the popular opinion.

I mean, I love me some Shinobi/8-bit Ninja cock like the best of 'em, but this is Ninja Gaiden here.

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If video games had sex organs I'd never leave the house. And what dictates which game has which organ?

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

Ninja Gaiden II, Ninja Spirit,

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You're out of your freaking tree. I love those games, but this really leaves them in the dust. Especially Ninja Spirit - I mean, have you got something against proper hit detection?

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and Shinobi III are ALL better than Xbox Ninja Gaiden.

'nuff said.

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Never played Shinobi III.

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

Oh, oh! Me first!

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Uh, that's not really fair. You didn't say anything I could cut up.

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

If video games had sex organs I'd never leave the house. And what dictates which game has which organ?

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Ninjas do not have fucking vaginas. How dare you question it.

Best ninja game ever.



Strider, about that collage you have in your sig. There is a pic on the far left side, 2nd one down, that shows Ryu putting a silver Xbox into a wall (or touching a silver Xbox that's in a wall). That's a really old screenshot though, and I was wondering: Did anyone find an Xbox in a wall? The only magic Xbox I could find was in Chapter 4, right next to where you get the Windmill Shuriken.

I don't know about best ninja game, it's really good though. The whole point about being a ninja is to be stealthy and killing people so I'd say Tenchu wins by default since it is the only one that does this. I haven't finished it either, on chapter 10 now, fun game with some frustrating moments I'll leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Korly

Best ninja game ever.



Strider, about that collage you have in your sig. There is a pic on the far left side, 2nd one down, that shows Ryu putting a silver Xbox into a wall (or touching a silver Xbox that's in a wall). That's a really old screenshot though, and I was wondering: Did anyone find an Xbox in a wall? The only magic Xbox I could find was in Chapter 4, right next to where you get the Windmill Shuriken.

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When I first saw that I figured it was going to be the save system symbol, now it's a statue so who knows what that is.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Uh, that's not really fair. you didn't say anything I could cut up.

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What's a man gotta do to get some flak around here?
Fine:
I hate your mother, your face, and ninjas suck. Cowboys rule.

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Originally Posted by Korly

Best ninja game ever.



Strider, about that collage you have in your sig. There is a pic on the far left side, 2nd one down, that shows Ryu putting a silver Xbox into a wall (or touching a silver Xbox that's in a wall). That's a really old screenshot though, and I was wondering: Did anyone find an Xbox in a wall? The only magic Xbox I could find was in Chapter 4, right next to where you get the Windmill Shuriken.

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I dunno, I got that collage from Tecmo's website.

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

What's a man gotta do to get some flak around here?
Fine:
I hate your mother, your face, and ninjas suck. Cowboys rule.

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The only cowboy who could take out a ninja is Clint Eastwood. And, apparently, Tom Cruise. :chunobi:

I won't vote until I'm farther into the game but I'm leaning towards no. I love the game and it kills the 3d Shinobis but I don't think it will be taking Shinobi III's crown away. XB Ninja Gaiden is very high up there though; it's given me the ninja action fix I have been waiting for for a long time. I'm not completely sure I like XB Ninja Gaiden more than the best Tenchu games either as I love the stealth ninja gaming.

StriderKyo you should seriously track down a copy of Shinobi III (A few bucks at Funco Usually) and a Genny to play it on--Emus are okay but it doesn't feel as good as playing it on a console. It just does everything right for a ninja game. Level of difficulty, abilities, level ranking, enemies, etc. I think Ninja Gaiden is great though. Joe Musashi is my favorite ninja but I voted yes on this poll. Best Ninja name is Stormshadow though.

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

ninjas suck. Cowboys rule.

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Unless that "Cowboy" is directly followed by a "Bebop," you have just declared that you inseminate cows.

Tenchu is the best Ninja game ever. Ninja Gaiden is the best game with ninjas in it, though.

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Originally Posted by soundwave

StriderKyo you should seriously track down a copy of Shinobi III

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I fear he'll probably end up disappointed like Kinopio given how much myself and others have hyped it but yeah the game's a decade old and every ninja fan should have at least played it by now.

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Originally Posted by Andy

Unless that "Cowboy" is directly followed by a "Bebop," you have just declared that you inseminate cows.

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I don't question YOUR cock hobbies.

Cock > cow vagina.

I've only played the demo, but I feel that it's DEFINITELY up there. Never before have I been able to manhandle so many wannabe ninjas in such glorious ways. Robert Hamburger would be proud.

However, Shinobi III is still my personal favorite, at least until I get the full NG experience.

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Originally Posted by Andy

Cock > cow vagina.

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:yuck:

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Maybe it's way too soon for this - the game just came out last week, and I myself am only on like chapter 5.

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Despite some pacing inconsistencies a little later on, it only gets better and I'd have to say you're totally right.

By Chapter 10+ you're getting positively lethal, and all the new weapons and techniques you have compound the fact.

Shinobi III is way, way up there. Original Tenchu is way, way up there. Still, this Ninja Gaiden allows you to pull of 50+ hit combos with razor sharp flails, leap off of one enemy's shoulders (with shadow trailers) only to decapitate the next in line, and generally wreak non-stop bloody mayhem, all with copious amounts of wall running. Hmmm, maybe it is the best.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

:yuck:

*adds to ignore list*

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What? You'd take the cow?

I don't know about best Ninja game ever, but I have a vote for the best ninja/bionic commando game ever:

http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/08/37/17...27_215X215.jpg

Tenchu is the best ninja game of all time. Ninja Gaiden is an awesome action game, but its not even the best game with ninjas in it. That being Tenchu.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Especially Ninja Spirit - I mean, have you got something against proper hit detection?

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:lol: I guess this is where I say I never saw why Ninja Spirit was supposed to be a brilliant gem.

Kev: You have a valid point on ninja / Bionic Commando hybrids.

http://images.webmagic.com/klov.com/...ja_Turtles.jpg

Damn straight Yoshi! Damn Straight!

Shinobi III pwns Ninja Gaiden.

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Originally Posted by Andy

What? You'd take the cow?

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I'd rather be a STRAIGHT sick pervert than teh GAY.

Vagina > Cock


*zerodash was only kidding about the "ignore list" thing*

Underneath Ryu's awesome ninja outfit he wears this shirt-

http://www.dieselsweeties.com/shirts/tenninjas400.gif

There seems to be some confusion, so I shall describe ninja, seeing as I am one and all.

There are 2 types of ninja in this world. First, the stealthy ninja as seen in games like Tenchu. Second, the types of ninja that flip out and kill any mother fucker that moves as demonstrated by movies such as The Last Samurai and our very own omfgninjas.

Flipping out and decimating 4 master ninja spiders by any ninja means nessecary >>>>>>>> Slitting the throat of a bad AI

I love Ninja Gaiden I, Shinobi III and Tenchu, but Ninja Gaiden by far destroys them all in sheer ninja craziness. In order to succeed in your mission you MUST be a ninja, and by the end of the game you'll feel it.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

http://images.webmagic.com/klov.com/...ja_Turtles.jpg

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Yossy just took title to this thread.

Shinobi PS2 and NG2 are better ninja games. Flying around mystically dashing from enemy to enemy slaughtering all in my way in a large Tate while never touching the ground gives me a much greater ninja feeling then NG's more standard beat 'em up design. As for NG2, ninja doubles and Funky Dynamite are pimp.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Shinobi PS2 and NG2 are better ninja games. Flying around mystically dashing from enemy to enemy slaughtering all in my way in a large Tate while never touching the ground gives me a much greater ninja feeling then NG's more standard beat 'em up design.

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Maybe. I haven't played Shinobi, but if it can match the sheer wholesale, hyper-kinetic slaugther I achieve in Ninja Gaiden after busting out the Flails, then I may just have to try it. You seriously catch a ninja "groove" with those things, with the 50, 100, 150 combo indicators beckoning you hypnotically until there's just no one left.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

Maybe. I haven't played Shinobi, but if it can match the sheer wholesale, hyper-kinetic slaugther I achieve in Ninja Gaiden after busting out the Flails, then I may just have to try it.

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It's a totally different style, flipping out in NG feels less controlled to me since the animations will take over for certain moves (primarily on the Flail) and the camera will get lost in large groups. I'll end up ripping apart a crapload of enemies but felt more like I was giving strong suggestions to Ryu instead of me doing the killing, whereas Shinobi's straight forward lock-on-dash-slash->Tate seemed more precise and directly controlled to me.

But maybe I'm alone on this.

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But maybe I'm alone on this.

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You are, for I feel as if you're 100% batshit-insane.

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Originally Posted by skelly

:lol: I guess this is where I say I never saw why Ninja Spirit was supposed to be a brilliant gem.

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Anything that lets you control three ninjas at once is automatically cool. It got in on a technicality.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Shinobi PS2 and NG2 are better ninja games. Flying around mystically dashing from enemy to enemy slaughtering all in my way in a large Tate while never touching the ground gives me a much greater ninja feeling then NG's more standard beat 'em up design.

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I loved PS2 Shinobi, but the fact is it's a one-trick pony. NG borrowed almost everything that made that game great, including stealth dash & tate type moves, totally outdoes Shinobi's presentation, and adds in tons more attacks, positional possibilities, and weapons - basically, more techinque. I wouldn't take Shinobi over Ninja Gaiden.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

Yossy just took title to this thread.

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Hardly. He forgot the first freaking rule:

1. Ninjas are mammals.

Ninja Gaiden 2 is probably my favorite Nes game so I may be biased. Ninja Gaiden XBox=best ninja game ever. Look, I love the ninja games, I even really like Tenchu 2. I also own Shinobi 3 but NG Xbox still owns all. Oh yeah, how the fuck can anybody compare the crap that is Shinobi PS2 and Nightshade to NG XBox? Are you outta your fucking mind? Yeah I said it, and I know a lot of you are thinking it.

Yes, I'll just agree with everything Slip said.

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Originally Posted by Sl1p

You are, for I feel as if you're 100% batshit-insane.

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Yeah, but we all know about you.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

I loved PS2 Shinobi, but the fact is it's a one-trick pony.

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What's funny is that the same can practically be said of NG, and for the exact same thing. You can do jump forward, A->Y all day and rarely ever get hit, the advanced techniques are almost always completely unnessecary unless you have a huge need for money orbs. Excluding the occasional once-every-three-levels that you need to use the bow, of course.

Granted, I'm only on Chapter 9 and Alma keeps mentioned so maybe a change in technique might actually get required later on.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

What's funny is that the same can practically be said of NG, and for the exact same thing. You can do jump forward, A->Y all day and rarely never get hit, the advanced techniques are almost always completely unnessecary unless you have a huge need for money orbs. Excluding the occasional once-every-three-levels that you need to use the bow, of course.

Granted, I'm only on Chapter 9 and Alma keeps mentioned so maybe a change in technique might actually get required later on.

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True. I've been doing alot of the shadow dash on enemies and i've been fine. Alma's pretty easy after you fail the first 14 times. Don't you mean Chapter 7?

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Originally Posted by DjRocca

Alma's pretty easy after you fail the first 14 times.

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Killed her in Chapter 7 my first time no problem. She was the biggest pushover in the world.

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Don't you mean Chapter 7?

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Well, I mentioned that in the gameplay thread and someone said wait until I face her, so I'm guessing she comes back later on.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Yeah, but we all know about you.What's funny is that the same can practically be said of NG, and for the exact same thing. You can do jump forward, A->Y all day and rarely ever get hit, the advanced techniques are almost always completely unnessecary unless you have a huge need for money orbs. Excluding the occasional once-every-three-levels that you need to use the bow, of course.

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There's almost an entire level devoted to bow use, btw, and once you get the hang of using it zoomed in quickly (and you will), it's actually pretty rad.

I don't find the dash and slice move as useful as everyone else...I mostly use the flails anyway, but even when I am using the sword, it seems half the enemies will block the slash and I just bounce off vulnerable. I prefer the flails and various range weapons to keep a constant level offense on all the enemies at once, kill several, counter to knock everyone back, then suck in the essence and go ninja-crazy.

While certain techniques may dominate (jump slash, Izuna drop) I think NG still offers plenty of opportunity for ninja freestylin'.

What a shoddy argument. Are they trying to make fun of ninjas?!

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

I don't find the dash and slice move as useful as everyone else...I mostly use the flails anyway, but even when I am using the sword, it seems half the enemies will block the slash and I just bounce off vulnerable.

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I've been using the flails for the last two levels straight with the A->Y dash and slice. :p They almost never block it for me, and the few who do have only prolonged their deaths from such.

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While certain techniques may dominate (jump slash, Izuna drop) I think NG still offers plenty of opportunity for ninja freestylin'.

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I completely agree, it's just that I'll only start doing random combos when I feel like killing easy stuff in a fun way. If there's anything that gives me trouble it's back to A->Y for an easy win.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

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You need to come up with a new insult.

As for my opinion: I've only played the demo, and it's damned good, but it's going to take a lot for XBNG to unseat Tenchu: WoH as best ninja game ever.

This game is 10x better than PS2 Shinobi but still suffers from a crippling camera in some instances. My brother bought it, played it, made it to the third level and returned it. I wish he had kept it a little bit longer. When you kicked ass, it felt like you really kicked ass. Some times you couldn't see the ass you were kicking, but most of the time you could.

Like, if they put a old granny off screen in one of the levels, there's a good chance you'd kick her ass and not realize it until her corpse exploded in to a vivacious volcano of blood.

Great game, terrible camera. But great game. Also hard, but still great. Just great. Really, really, rrrreally great.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Killed her in Chapter 7 my first time no problem. She was the biggest pushover in the world.Well, I mentioned that in the gameplay thread and someone said wait until I face her, so I'm guessing she comes back later on.

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Oouuuu, I see. That's gonna kick ass if it's true.

i don't know. Comparing Tench to NG is like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Ferrari. They are both gerat cars but in one car you have to drive slowly and elegantly and in the other you get to go ape shit and kill a lot of people really fast and with style .

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

I've been using the flails for the last two levels straight with the A->Y dash and slice. :p They almost never block it for me, and the few who do have only prolonged their deaths from such.I completely agree, it's just that I'll only start doing random combos when I feel like killing easy stuff in a fun way. If there's anything that gives me trouble it's back to A->Y for an easy win.

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I suppose. I learned all the Flail moves, and tend to use them situationally. Sure, I still typically X+A->Y(Y) as my "in", since it ends with the drop kick and keeps the enemy stunned so I can start a ground combo (or launcher). I like the flails because there are points in all the combos where you can switch to a new target...once you've sufficiently hit-stunned and enemy, you can switch to another and continue the violence. Once you have several guys stunned, you can switch to the XXX->XXXXY move that creates a shield of 'chuck hits, tagging multiple guys at once, and racking up a huge combo. Unnecessary, I suppose, but being a ninja is half style anyway.

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I use the countes a lot. Maybe because the Flails don't have a consistent decapitation move.


Random: Playing this a ton, plus having others watching/taking turns has created the need for some new vocabulary.

Ninjoke: The player, when performing like a crappy ninja and getting owned.
Ninjizz: Multiple ninja, and what you're forced to suck, well, when you suck.
Ninjump: A jump only a ninja can perform.
Ninjargon: That stupid shit you read in journals, and that Ayane tosses your way.
Nonja: Lacking in ninja skills such that you're almost a pirate.
Ninjalopy: We don't really have a use for this, but it fits so well. The tank maybe?
Ninjerks: Those bastards that would stick you with exploding shuriken, until you got good and they became fodder.

-any other submissions would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Hardly. He forgot the first freaking rule:

1. Ninjas are mammals.

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One word: Splinter.

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Maybe because the Flails don't have a consistent decapitation move.

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While standing still: A, Y. Ryu will jump and kick downward, knocking the enemy into the ground, then press Y again while standing next to him and instant decapitation in two hits. This is a very single-enemy-at-a-time attack, and you're probably looking for something to be used in combos against multiple opponents, right? Actually, I haven't tried that against the purple demons yet (switched back to the Dragon Sword, it was feeling lonely), but it worked every time against the armored army guys.

It's a great game but no. I'd actually give reasons but they never make a difference on tnl.

If were living in a parallel universe where Xbox meant NES, then I would be inclined to agree with you.

Just checked: Hitting Y next to the purple guys when they're grounded is an instant decapitation for the Flail.

I gotta say that with its camera problems and unfriendly difficulty to casual gamers. It's not the best game for 'Ninjas'.


It's a great game, but not the best of all time. That award goes to a game that has taken every group of gamers into consideration.

I don't want to have a stroke while playing a game.

Yes.


Actually, make that a fuck yes. The only things I can think of that can compete would be the NES Gaidens and maybe the Strider games (though it's debatable whether the latter is even a Ninja game.) I'd explain why but I think StriderKyo summed it up pretty well...

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Xbox Ninja Gaiden is the living embodiment of flipping out and killing people.

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...and, well, if you're not flipping out and killing people, why even bother calling it a ninja game?

Every game that we've ever complained about here having camera issues I've never had a problem with at all. Even Ninja Gaiden is fine in my eyes. Either I just don't care or I'm trying to show that we can look aside every technical aspect is irrelevant. It's my favorite ninja game coming 2nd to Ninja Warriors.

for realistic ninja feel, no, tenchu beats it, but for a just kickass action game that gives a number of over-the-top ways to take out enemies, it rocks pretty damn hard. Dante and zeig WISH they had this much style kicking ass.

So Hagane is not even in the running here?

As far as flipping out and killing people is concerned, Mark of Kri owns every other game in existense when playing in the later arenas with the axe. It is like every second you got someones legs being chopped completely off, someone split in two, someone decapitated all with awesome animation to boot.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Just checked: Hitting Y next to the purple guys when they're grounded is an instant decapitation for the Flail.

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I guess I didn't consider that instant since it takes so long to get that swing out (charging Y group of moves). I meant something akin to the X+A->Y with the sword (although, I think the flail will decapitate at times with that move...but never the big zombies, and it can't chop off arms either).

This is a great ninja game, but its just not good enough to be the best ever. Yeah its got plenty of wall running decap action, but its so empty in terms of style else where. Outside of bosses and fighting its all pretty bland. Having you return to this main city over and over again was a poor idea because its so boring, the city has nothing to it. Also its a bit too much of a DMC rip off, it feels so much like it. Continuly returning to past areas only they are slightly different, same menus, it takes quite a bit away from what should have been more unique. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the game, but it does not hold up to the Ninja Gaiden name like it should have.

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Originally Posted by Clash Master

Also its a bit too much of a DMC rip off, it feels so much like it.

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'Tis true. I was surprised how much it resembles Onimusha and Devil May Cry. I think it surpasses those Capcom series but it does rip them off a little too much.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

I guess I didn't consider that instant since it takes so long to get that swing out (charging Y group of moves). I meant something akin to the X+A->Y with the sword (although, I think the flail will decapitate at times with that move...but never the big zombies, and it can't chop off arms either).

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Don't charge at all, when Ryu stands next to a downed monster and you just tap Y he'll overhead swing and it'll come clean off. But I haven't found anything as swift as A->Y Dragon Sword that'll decapitate, probably done to balance the weapons or some such.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Don't charge at all, when Ryu stands next to a downed monster and you just tap Y he'll overhead swing and it'll come clean off. But I haven't found anything as swift as A->Y Dragon Sword that'll decapitate, probably done to balance the weapons or some such.

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No, I know. Even if you just tap Y, he winds up and pauses a bit before striking. If you hold down the button, he'll charge-up in the that "chambered" position. Even without charging, I find that move too slow to use on unstunned enemies. The enemies that are slow enough to use it on can't be decapitated anyway.

I suppose I should change my statement to say the flail doesn't have a quick, lunging decap move. It's fine the way it is, but I never use it to go outright for power hits.

edit: Oh, you mean downed, like, prone enemies. Before you said "grounded", and I just thought you meant "non-jumping". Hitting prone opponents with Y is equivalent to the sword's overhand deathstab, and not really what I'd consider a decapitation. If they're on the ground already, I'll just use their prone body as a combo starter for all the dangerous, standing enemies.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

edit: Oh, you mean downed, like, prone enemies. Before you said "grounded", and I just thought you meant "non-jumping".

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Oops, sorry about that.

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Hitting prone opponents with Y is equivalent to the sword's overhand deathstab, and not really what I'd consider a decapitation.

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For me it has always been an instant decapitation the instant it hits, no matter how strong they are or if I knocked them down with only one hit (as opposed to enemies living through the sword's downward thrust).

At TNL, every NG-related thread is a gameplay discussion thread!

Come on, the best Ninja game is clearly Ninja Golf.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

One word: Splinter.

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Hey, if npcs count, Punch Out is my favourite Mario game.

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Originally Posted by pixelassassin

I gotta say that with its camera problems and unfriendly difficulty to casual gamers. It's not the best game for 'Ninjas'.


It's a great game, but not the best of all time. That award goes to a game that has taken every group of gamers into consideration.

I don't want to have a stroke while playing a game.

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All truly great ninja games, shooters and beat 'em ups starring toads are really hard. Obtain skills!

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

'Tis true. I was surprised how much it resembles Onimusha and Devil May Cry. I think it surpasses those Capcom series but it does rip them off a little too much.

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You left out how much it rips of PS2 shinobi, and how much the menus & chapter starts resemble Fatal Frame. Heck, it evens feels like they grabbed stuff from EA's Lord of the Rings games.

Of course, Onimusha was Resident Evil with combos, and DMC never met a John Woo movie it didn't want to borrow from. And then there's the contention that the NES Ninja Gaiden was just a Castlevania clone in the first place. NG feels like they just wanted evrything nd the kitchen sink in there so nobody could say "hey, this doesn't have X like game Y does."

I'm not complaining. There's far more than enough originality in there to make it a worthwhile enterprise.

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I always liked the Ninja team in NES Baseball Stars.