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The thing with debt is a valid issue I suppose, although we don't know if it's really going to hurt all that bad. Guess we'll have to wait 20 years or so, but every President does have his defects so you can't expect a guy to be perfect, at least Bush isn't sending our troops to Vietnam and purposely dragging out the war (killing more people in the process) because he profits from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
I agree here, Dean would have been a much better canidate though probably an embarssing president. His unconventional politics have a much better chance of taking down the repbulican lie machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
And whats Bush except a horribly failed businessman, who ruined everything he touched financially but was given opportunity after opportunity to take over businesses, and thought nothing of running them into the ground as the same time he was driving his car into trees because he was an alcoholic. Bush is the exact opposite of everything he claims to be, and every word that come out of his mouth is bullshit. His overspending on military projects that simply do not work, are being done to "protect, America."Quote:
From what I've seen of Kerry, he is anything but a worthy candidate. His pleadings of ignorance on Bush's "reasons to go to war" are hilarious (cmon, does anyone who supports the war think that the real reason was WMDs? Everybody knows thats not the real reason, and we dont have access to the information say, oh, a senator would), his constant mentions of Vietnam are already old and its only March, he contradicts himself year-to-year, week-to-week, day-to-day, and speech-to-speech, and he's basically everything that he claims to hate (a rich, well-to-do boy influenced by money and big corporations) and nothing that he wants to be (a populist, middle-class, "black President" like Clinton).
I'm sorry but I'd rather have a flip-flopping, democratic liberal, than an obviously lying, self-serving failure of a businessman running around with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit.
And don't even get me started on Bush's, "I talk to Jesus and he tells me what to do," bullshit.
Yeah that scares me a bit, cause whoever wins, it might not matter cause the agenda isn't the same.Quote:
Shit, Kerry's in Skull & Bones, just like Bush, you know. At least Bush is honest about his upbringing.
And Bush has not been honest about his upbringing.
Then vote independent. This election like the last one is a poster child for the neccesity to have a three party system.Quote:
Basically, the guy's a fucking joke right now. I want someone to earn my vote in the November election. I have not decided on who I will vote for. But Im not gonna vote for a guy because "he's not Bush". That is retaerted.
But don't deny this,
when given the choice between something that you know is failing, or what might work, which one would you pick?
Oh boy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
I don't have any facts on that because I'm not that dedicated, but you can bet Almaci or someone will be here soon. ;)
Well I'll say it now then, throw all your conspiricy, unproved, shit out the window because I don't want to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
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Originally Posted by Gohron
Its conspiracy.
And if I'm gonna hear you say something as stupid as this...
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Originally Posted by Gohron
Your gonna listen to all the conspiracy theories you can handle.
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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
In case you don't remember we won the war, there is still guerilla fighting, but there was Nazi guerilla fighting up until 1947 and Japanese guerilla fighting all the way to the 70's, it's almost always an after-affect of war. Vietnam just involved American troops getting shot for no reason and no gain, thus putting us no farther in the 70's then we were in 1965.
Okay. Whoops, there goes the justification for the Iraq war...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
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Originally Posted by Gohron
Are you nuts?
Put a price on a human life for me.
People leaving the Bush administration over this have stated that this was his agenda from the moment he was elected.
Well whats wrong with that you might say?
Nothing other than this is either a personal agenda, or a special interest, either of which are equally wrong.
WMD's or not we were gonna invade Iraq. The problem is our president was stupid enough to actually use that argument to send us over there. Running around waving that in front of your face, my face, and every other countries face as the reason we are going to liberate Iraq.
So of course when the claims turn out untrue, what do they do, they turn around and claim they never said they were sure...
Are you fucking serious not another vietnam?
-Think about this for a second. If you were president and you committed this country to war acting on faulty information, wouldn't you, y'know, at least fire the people who gave you the false information. -
-If you committed a crime against the constitution, and the claims from the other side were saying that all roads lead back to you and your incompetence, do you think you would be in charge of assembling a comittee to investigate yourself and then say you won't even be bothered to do anymore than answer an hour's worth of questions.-
-If you had a country that your father failed to take down, that also happened to be the one place on this planet where oil (cause in case you didn't know, we are running out of it) is in abundance, and all your best college/skull&bones buddies are oil bigwigs who are running out of places to drill and they just happened to have donated an insane amount of money to your campaign...
For chrissake this is exactly like Vietnam.
Whats the price of a human life...?
88.9 cents a gallon.
How come gas is over two bucks a gallon? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
P.S.
You will not win against religious fanatics.
Yes we took Iraq.
It doesn't make a bit of difference though, because you care about human life and they don't, so you watch the bombings happen, and the attacks happen, and you give them the fuel to add to their own personal hatred.
And now you can't even pull out of Iraq, K? You can't even do that, because when you do they will simply take over, and no interm government is gonna be able to do jack shit against a bunch of religious fanatics who will take over that country by force the second you leave.
Cause they have to make a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike