Being gay in Tennessee - a crime?

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Originally Posted by lithium

Believe it or not that homosexual over there is a living, breathing human being with a fully functional brain. He can make decisions just as well as you can. Why not let him?

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You're right, Christianity does take faith, I can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt, but I speak from my experience with it and the evidence I have seen in fellow Christians lives that it looks to be something that is real.

also, speaking from my beliefs as a Christian..no, humans cannot make "right" decisions. Every decision we make is tainted with sin. We are fallen and sinful incapable of doing right apart from God. (this means God can use us to do right but cannot do it on our own). We can do what "we" view is right. but that may not match up with what God has for us. Man views things from corrupted eyes and acts accordingly.

I've argued my points enough, Im not going to change my beliefs and neither will you(unless of course there is some divine intervention ;) )., so why continue to argue?

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Originally Posted by Nic0

also, speaking from my beliefs as a Christian..no, humans cannot make "right" decisions. Every decision we make is tainted with sin. We are fallen and sinful incapable of doing right apart from God. (this means God can use us to do right but cannot do it on our own). We can do what "we" view is right. but that may not match up with what God has for us. Man views things from corrupted eyes and acts accordingly.

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I'm an athiest. Let me know what you think about my moral code.

I don't steal.
I don't cheat.
I'm trusting of other people.
I think most people have good intentions.
I don't speed on the freeway. (Occasionally I might go a little fast in order to go around someone, but then I only pass on the left.)
I don't download music from P2P (actually, at all, but iTMS is legal).
I always obey the law for everything else.
I try to smile at everyone.
I'm polite, saying "Thank you," "Have a good day," etc. to people.
I'll do anything to avoid a conflict with anyone.
I don't smoke, do drugs or gamble. I drink rarely, but I've never gotten "drunk" (i.e. enough where I had a hangover afterwards) and I drove under the influence once and never did it again.

Try to think of bad things that people do. I don't do any of that. Yet, because I have protected sex with my girlfriend with whom I live, unmarried, all of that is negated in God's eyes? Because I choose to think that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality? Because I think that the person who is actually alive and born is more important than something that hasn't been born (because the person can go on to make babies later in life)?

The last one, of course, is a questionable issue since I'm for denying the unborn child a life.

The thing I find the funniest is when board members argue with Christians on here, they always twist the statements of what the Christian member says, even though you know he's not trying to get that particular point across or that's what he believes.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

The thing I find the funniest is when board members argue with Christians on here, they always twist the statements of what the Christian member says, even though you know he's not trying to get that particular point across or that's what he believes.

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I don't do that, do I? I hope I don't. If I have, then I apologize, because I hate it when that happens to me.

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Originally Posted by Mike

I'm an athiest. Let me know what you think about my moral code.

I don't steal.
I don't cheat.
I'm trusting of other people.
I think most people have good intentions.
I don't speed on the freeway. (Occasionally I might go a little fast in order to go around someone, but then I only pass on the left.)
I don't download music from P2P (actually, at all, but iTMS is legal).
I always obey the law for everything else.
I try to smile at everyone.
I'm polite, saying "Thank you," "Have a good day," etc. to people.
I'll do anything to avoid a conflict with anyone.
I don't smoke, do drugs or gamble. I drink rarely, but I've never gotten "drunk" (i.e. enough where I had a hangover afterwards) and I drove under the influence once and never did it again.

Try to think of bad things that people do. I don't do any of that. Yet, because I have protected sex with my girlfriend with whom I live, unmarried, all of that is negated in God's eyes? Because I choose to think that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality? Because I think that the person who is actually alive and born is more important than something that hasn't been born (because the person can go on to make babies later in life)?

The last one, of course, is a questionable issue since I'm for denying the unborn child a life.

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Unless you have the Holy Spirit living within you, God only sees sin when he looks at you. Like I said, apart from God man can do no good deed in the eyes of God.

Well I'm looking forward to hanging out in hell with great people like Ghandi, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine and others then.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

in the eyes of God.

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God promised he wouldn't look at me, though.

That's a little shitty, though, isn't it? Like, no matter what you do, God is still unimpressed? Or perhaps I'm interpreting that wrong. Hrm.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

Unless you have the Holy Spirit living within you, God only sees sin when he looks at you. Like I said, apart from God man can do no good deed in the eyes of God.

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The universe is not some game. Stipulations on salvation of an intangible soul? Somehow I doubt it. And somehow I doubt Jesus desired such a strict categorical regime.

The important thing to remember is that like anything, moderation is the key. The bible may or may not be the direct word of god, or it may be the greatest work of fiction ever published. The important thing to remember is that if digested and thought over, the bible CAN be an insightful look into human nature. But to hang on every word as though the great Lord himself were whispering it into your ear is just plain...irresponsible.

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Originally Posted by Mike

God promised he wouldn't look at me, though.

That's a little shitty, though, isn't it? Like, no matter what you do, God is still unimpressed? Or perhaps I'm interpreting that wrong. Hrm.

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It's kind of like this.. God longs to look upon his creation and all that but he cant because he cant look upon sin..so, he sent his son to die for us so that sin could be forgiven. when we accept the free gift of salvation the Holy Spirit descends upon us and then we can have a relationship with God.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

Unless you have the Holy Spirit living within you, God only sees sin when he looks at you. Like I said, apart from God man can do no good deed in the eyes of God.

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Well if that were the case, I'll be willing to join hell's army. ;)