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Originally Posted by Damian79
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Some little boys would love to disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
Don't feel bad Gohron.
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The grounds upon which Linnaeus would fain have banished the whales from the waters, he states as follows: "On account of their warm bilocular heart, their lungs, their movable eyelids, their hollow ears, penem intratem feminam mammis lactantem," and finally, "ex lege naturae jure meritoque". I submitted all this to my friends Simeon Macey and Charley Coffin, of Nantucket, both messmates of mine in a certain voyage, and they united in the opinion that the reasons set forth were altogether insufficient. Charley profanely hinted they were humbug. Be it known that, waiving all argument, I take the good old fashioned ground that the whale is a fish, and call upon holy Jonah to back me. - Herman Melville - Moby Dick, or, The Whale - Chapter 32: Cetology [/blockquote]
Even the author of the greatest English language novel ever written made an asshat of himself because of your ancient tome.
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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz
Just because God forgives you doesn't mean that society or country forgives you. You are still subject to government laws.
Live like a peon, live on your knees...Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
That makes no sense. Gay people don't go around kissing everyone. They don't go door to door selling butt plugs and boas. It's not like two guys kissing somewhere is going to cause the earth to open up and swallow us whole. A gay person's lifestyle is something that has absolutely no effect on you whatsoever. Is it really that bad to just respect people's right to do as they please and live their own lives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
Do you also fight against other things that are different from you? Do you want all Pagans banned? All people with pierced eyebrows locked up? Maybe someone who believes in astrology? Is it really that hard to just let people be people; they live their lives and you live yours? Seems simple enough to me, why so many Christians can't figure it out just boggles my mind.
This statement sounds extremely Unitarian Universalist. Without saying too much, if it was meant in a Unitarian Universalist manner, it is incorrect. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Contra
Then the question is: for who? Jesus was Jewish, and yeah, he had an idea of what was going to happen, so he chose his favorite apostle to lead his cause on from after his death. Regardless of whether or not he was God, I somehow doubt he died the way he did with only the "Christians" in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Wow, and people wonder why I hate living in Tennessee. This is just sad, sad sad sad.
sorry, to clarify: I meant "Jesus died for all of the people who have accepted jesus". I was arguing that christians don't have any reason to hate gays more than they should hate anyone else from a biblical standpoint, because we all sin. Ergo condordently vis-a-vis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Ah, I understand now. Thank you for the clarification.
Hehe. Pagans. Astrologists. Fakefakefakefakefake! Mwa ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
No horoscope has ever been correct.
i can vouch for that. Most people in middle tennessee are dumbasses. My school is full of them. And the aquarium there does kickass.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
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Originally Posted by lithium
Matthew 28:18-20
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
As a Christian I am commanded to not let people live the way they want. To do so is to fail to do what God has asked of me and all other Christians.
oh, and that thing about piercing haha, Im most likely goign to get piercings/tattoos, so I really don't see a problem in that. Also, Im not saying we should "lock up" people who believe things different than I do.
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Originally Posted by lithium
Matthew 28:18-20
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
As a Christian I am commanded to not let people live the way they want. To do so is to fail to do what God has asked of me and all other Christians.
oh, and that thing about piercing haha, Im most likely goign to get piercings/tattoos, so I really don't see a problem in that. Also, Im not saying we should "lock up" people who believe things different than I do.
And this is the number one reason why I fucking hate christianity and many other religions. I couldn't give to rats fucks what you do with your life and what you believe, but leave me the fuck alone. Don't try to impose your beliefs on me or others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
So in other words you feel as though you are superior. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
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oh, and that thing about piercing haha, Im most likely goign to get piercings/tattoos, so I really don't see a problem in that.
Uh yeah. It was an example. I thought that much was obvious...
how the hell do you get that Im saying Im superior? Im not, nor was I even tyring to imply that I was.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
and you can hate Christianity if you'd like, that's your problem.
Ok, then answer me this. How is trying to right other people's "wrongs" -- wrongs that have no bearing on your life, on society, and otherwise cause no harm whatsoever -- just because you feel you know what is correct, how is that possibly not a superiority complex?
Seriously man, open that mind. It's wonderful when a little air gets in there.
You're right, there wrongs don't necessarily have an effect on my life...but they have an effect on the life of those committing them. Im not perfect and I dont claim to be, nor is any Christian perfect..when someone becomes a Christian they are transformed by God's unfailing love and their life changes. We (Christians) are called to spread God's love to others. that in no way has anything to do with me being superior. (even though Im not).Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
You might think that Christians are closed-minded people, but simply it is that we hold firm to our beliefs and do not change with the prevailing beliefs of society. You can't put your trust into something that changes all the time.
That'd be just fine if homosexuality -- and Christianity for that matter -- has been proven to the point of say the Earth being round or mammals breathing oxygen. But they haven't. The mere idea that homosexuality is wrong is just that, an idea. There is no proof. And quite frankly many people see nothing wrong with it. Same with Christianity, merely one of many religions based on faith. To suggest we all should be Christians merely because you have decided to be one is insulting and arrogant. When it comes to faith, opinions and beliefs as opposed to truths and facts, it's down right insulting to force your ideas on others. You can't prove God's presence, His overlooking or even caring about humans, or that Christ was His Son. So to force people to change their ways based on that is ridiculous. Believe it or not that homosexual over there is a living, breathing human being with a fully functional brain. He can make decisions just as well as you can. Why not let him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
You're right, Christianity does take faith, I can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt, but I speak from my experience with it and the evidence I have seen in fellow Christians lives that it looks to be something that is real.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
also, speaking from my beliefs as a Christian..no, humans cannot make "right" decisions. Every decision we make is tainted with sin. We are fallen and sinful incapable of doing right apart from God. (this means God can use us to do right but cannot do it on our own). We can do what "we" view is right. but that may not match up with what God has for us. Man views things from corrupted eyes and acts accordingly.
I've argued my points enough, Im not going to change my beliefs and neither will you(unless of course there is some divine intervention ;) )., so why continue to argue?
I'm an athiest. Let me know what you think about my moral code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
I don't steal.
I don't cheat.
I'm trusting of other people.
I think most people have good intentions.
I don't speed on the freeway. (Occasionally I might go a little fast in order to go around someone, but then I only pass on the left.)
I don't download music from P2P (actually, at all, but iTMS is legal).
I always obey the law for everything else.
I try to smile at everyone.
I'm polite, saying "Thank you," "Have a good day," etc. to people.
I'll do anything to avoid a conflict with anyone.
I don't smoke, do drugs or gamble. I drink rarely, but I've never gotten "drunk" (i.e. enough where I had a hangover afterwards) and I drove under the influence once and never did it again.
Try to think of bad things that people do. I don't do any of that. Yet, because I have protected sex with my girlfriend with whom I live, unmarried, all of that is negated in God's eyes? Because I choose to think that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality? Because I think that the person who is actually alive and born is more important than something that hasn't been born (because the person can go on to make babies later in life)?
The last one, of course, is a questionable issue since I'm for denying the unborn child a life.
The thing I find the funniest is when board members argue with Christians on here, they always twist the statements of what the Christian member says, even though you know he's not trying to get that particular point across or that's what he believes.
I don't do that, do I? I hope I don't. If I have, then I apologize, because I hate it when that happens to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Unless you have the Holy Spirit living within you, God only sees sin when he looks at you. Like I said, apart from God man can do no good deed in the eyes of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Well I'm looking forward to hanging out in hell with great people like Ghandi, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine and others then.
God promised he wouldn't look at me, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
That's a little shitty, though, isn't it? Like, no matter what you do, God is still unimpressed? Or perhaps I'm interpreting that wrong. Hrm.
The universe is not some game. Stipulations on salvation of an intangible soul? Somehow I doubt it. And somehow I doubt Jesus desired such a strict categorical regime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
The important thing to remember is that like anything, moderation is the key. The bible may or may not be the direct word of god, or it may be the greatest work of fiction ever published. The important thing to remember is that if digested and thought over, the bible CAN be an insightful look into human nature. But to hang on every word as though the great Lord himself were whispering it into your ear is just plain...irresponsible.
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Originally Posted by Mike
It's kind of like this.. God longs to look upon his creation and all that but he cant because he cant look upon sin..so, he sent his son to die for us so that sin could be forgiven. when we accept the free gift of salvation the Holy Spirit descends upon us and then we can have a relationship with God.
Well if that were the case, I'll be willing to join hell's army. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
as for this...if we didnt hang on allo the things in the Bible it wouldnt be a religion then would it? If we only took parts it would be a twisted view. You have to either accept the whole Bible as truth or throw it out complelely. One can pick an choose what they want from a book that claims to be infallible (which I believe this to be true)Quote:
Originally Posted by ViciousJazz
You'd be fighting a war that you could never win. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
CONGRATULATIONS ON SOUND OFF'S 4000th POST!!Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
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At least I'll be taking a few angels with me. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
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Originally Posted by voltz
not sure you'd be able to kill an angel.
I have a relationship with God and I never accepted any free gifts. Even from those people who mail you stuff saying you won a free trip to Hawaii and all they need is a thousand bucks temporarily to secure your seats and then you never hear from them again. Fuckers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
http://www.pwclub.com/media/5200001122.GIFQuote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
You better belive I could!
you have a relationship with a being you don't believe exists? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
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Originally Posted by voltz
oohh ok, wow I forgot about the pork and beans....hmm, you might be a worthy adversary after all.
He also has a relationship with santa clause, the tooth fairy, and mr. lucky charm himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
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Originally Posted by voltz
Interesting, Mike, Could you introduce me to Mr. Lucky Charm?
Sure no prob....?
Well he was here a minute ago!
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thats the 5th time I've tried to meet him and failed.
I met him once, he gave me a bunch of money but then his brother Mr. Unlucky Charm broke into my apartment and stole all of it! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
The bible is not salvation any more than buddhist scrolls are the key to enlightement. The Christian religion never began as strict adherance to a text as imperfect and fallible as the men who wrote it. The key to PERSONAL salvation is using the text as good background. No parable, no story, no gospel is salvation. But in order to escape the need for rhetoric, one must master it first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
As an athiest you'll never need to worry about what "God" thinks of you because when you die you'll just rot. There is no afterlife, you just end. Making fun of heaven and hell is a luxury those who don't believe in it (like us) can enjoy. Everyone else has to play by all those silly rules, like eating kosher meat or getting up early on a Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Shit... and I thought my deterministic materialism was depressing... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
I agree with you to some extent...Yes there are things in the Bible that are ment to teach us things and aren't ment to be followed directly (like many of the old testament laws, except for the 10 commandments and the laws that deal with love which are ment to be directly followed). However, if you read more into the Bible it teaches that God basically told the writers what to write. So the author of the Bible is God, he just used humans to write it. He intended every word in it. So the Bible is not as "imperfect" as the men who wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViciousJazz
You're right, there is no story or law in the Bible that is salvation. However they point to Christ who is salvation. The Bible is an instruction manual for Christians and also a tool for preaching, teaching, rebuking and so forth.
It's not at all depressing if you look at the whole picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
If you're looking at it from the outside in, it's very depressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
just like athiesm? no hope of a future beyond what you have on earth which you aren't guaranteed the next minute of your life because you could suddenly die and have no hope after that? thats incredibly depressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
There is tons of hope in Christianity. It's incredibly optimistic, I know that no matter how bad things may seem on earth, its only a temporary place.Our lives are is dust in the wind. They are short and fade fast. Heaven is for eternity and it surpases all the things we enjoy on earth.
You just got meta-physically PWNED by Nietzsche, suck it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
I've heard the name but Im not aware of his teachings.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
He did not teach... he only philosophized.
ahh ok, one of those guys, gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
He are two quote's which pretty much sum up his "Anti-Christ":
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Originally Posted by Too Human
As much as you guys say how depressing christianity is, my family (excluding me because I chose to reject and hate god for giving me life) is MUCH better than before they were christians. My parents are sickeningly positive and my mom isn't so self centered and this is when by dad just had a quad bypass surgery with boths of his kidneys not working and thus on dialysis.
And they hate no one. Any christian that hates is not really a christian period.
Christianity isn't a magic pill that creates super humans. Christians are just as fallible as anyone else. It's rather unfortunate that for a lot of them, their interpretation of their religion leads them to be even more fallible than most. Many true Christians hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
You're absolutely right, being a Christian does not make one perfect, we're just as capable of doing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
Yeah alot of Christians do hate and judge. it's sad.
Well they are not "real" christians. Real christians are more annoying than the angry bitter ones. They always make this sad face at you when they find out about your problems and are always trying to help you. I just want to be left to my misery, is that too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
Sorry... but :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
This is the problem I have with other athiests. I don't have this dire, dismal view of life which lead me to disbelieve things. It seems like a lot of other athiests are like, "This world is a shithole, blah blah blah, it looks crappy from the outside, why would God let [insert catastrophe] happen?, etc." I think this planet is a beautiful place and human beings are capable of wonderful things - look at what we've accomplished so far, you know? Bad things happen, but we've made it through them all and we'll continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
I'm not religious because I don't need hope. I don't need a super quest. I don't need a parental figure like God to guide me. It doesn't bother me that we die and that's it. Life isn't short; life is long, unless it's ended prematurely. That doesn't change the fact that I'm going to be nice to people or that I'm going to try to help people.
I think I'm rambling.
And what a useful life he lead. *cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I hate philosophy. Stupid waste of time.
I see it more as a blessing then a problem. But the thing is many Christains feel they are superior and many of them dont even understand their own damn religion. This is why I see religion as a curse to man kind. In the end, I can see religion bringing about the destruction of the world....ok maybe thats taking it a bit too far but I feel it stirs up some really nasty shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
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Originally Posted by DarkCrow676
Yeah there are Christians out there that feel superior and those are usually the same ones that hate. Religion has been a blessing on many involved, but its expected that not everyone will feel that way. I believe that a utopian society where everyone gets along and agrees with eveyrones beleifs is impossible to obtain, there will always be conflict of some kind. Blaming lifes problems on religion alone (which Im not accusing you of but stating alot of people do) is a big mistake because there are many other things that cause conflict.
I'm starting to hate Christians because they always try to convert me into one. :curse: http://www.neomega.net/forum/images/smilies/tongue2.gif
yeah alot of people do hate us for that. :lol: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
:nod: I also hate Athiests that act like Jesus is evil. It's perfectly fine to believe he wasn't the son of God, that's as valid belief as anything. But according to all accounts he was still a good bloke, and didn't do anything to deserve such hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
There's a quote that a lot of bad Athiests use, I think it's in Luke and it's about slaying people in front of Jesus or whatever that gets overused. It's been awhile since I read The Bible, but I think in the quote Jesus is actually talking as if he was the master who's doing the trading in the story. So it's pretty funny when it gets pulled out as proof Jesus was a bad mofo.
Though, I have used it for shits and giggles a couple of times (never seriously) because most Christians know fuck all about the Bible so it's fun to see them squirm ;)
My biggest problem with Christianity is the fact that the belief of God has so much weight put on it. You can live a pristine angel-like existance, but If you are never baptised and don't believe in God, he'll send you to purgatory. Yet you can rape and murder but if you're baptised and atone for your sins, you're going to heaven. Makes no sense whatsoever to me, for an omnipotent being to be so awfully needy. A real omnipotent being would be so above that he wouldn't even care about being worshipped. But maybe that's the whole point, our flaws mirror his flaws :D
Yeah, way to destroy a bunch of other religions, bitch ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
Attempting to understand God is beyond futile. What are the chances God confines itself to human level logic and thinking? If God can really create the entire universe and everything in it, then God's intellect is so motherfuckin' beyond the human being that an amoeba mine as well try to comprehend the human race.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
This is true! And at the same time, there are religious people who feel that this world is imperfect and transitory, and there's no point appreciating it because Heaven will be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Also, that the thoughts and opinions of non-Christians (or non-whatever-other-religion) aren't worth anything because they aren't guided by God.
Which is a big shame, really. I think these are common things to see among both religious and non-religious people.
It depends who you ask. Not all Christians believe that the technicality of baptism/knowledge of God is essential to being "saved". There are spots in the Bible that seem to God favouring non-Christians/Jews on occasion. Don't ask me where they are, though.Quote:
My biggest problem with Christianity is the fact that the belief of God has so much weight put on it. You can live a pristine angel-like existance, but If you are never baptised and don't believe in God, he'll send you to purgatory. Yet you can rape and murder but if you're baptised and atone for your sins, you're going to heaven.
At the same time, nobody really thinks that God is stupid enough to let people off the hook if they behave like assholes and don't honestly repent for it.
Or, you could say that since God made us (in his image no less), then we're naturally made to understand him on a basic level.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
Skip back a little further in your Bible. Specifically to Matthew 7:1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic0
I'm still looking for the part that says, "Unless they happen to be faggots! Then judge the shit out of them."