PS2 Final Fantasy XI

I purchased FFXI today at target for 84.99. They had a reduced price on it because they were going to give away the Srategy Guide with it free, but it was not available.

So I have it on hand and now I am feeling like returning it.

PROS:

Its a Final Fantasy Game
Its in the oversized box - (I love the oversized boxes)
It comes with the 40 GIG Harddrive

CONS:
13.00 a month to play
I will need to commit alot of time to play it
Online Only

I really thing the monthly fee on top of paying 85.00 for the game is a tough pill to swallow.

I did notice that my target only had 4 in stock and at 8:15 this morning I bought one and another guy bought one , so they have 2 left.

Is it possible this game will be in a short supply in the beginning?

Lotta money for a game you're not sure if you'll even like or not.

I'm a huge FF fan, but I detest mmorpgs, so it was a pass for me.

If you're not sure about the mmorpg genre, don't like mmorpgs, or could use the money on a game(s) you know you'll enjoy, I'd return that beast.

Or maybe try out the PC version, as it can be had for quite a bit cheaper.

Pc version is nice only if you've got a fairly decent system to back it up. 8x AGP plus a dx9 generation card is virtually required. If your system can play Halo at greater than 800x600 with everything turned on it'll be fine. Sides I've tried playing with the PS2 Control, sucks hard :<

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This is about where I stand, except my love for FF has been fading away over the past few years. While this may be a fantastic game and whatnot, it's too expensive and I don't dig the forced online play deal. I still await a new FF game (probably pass on XII, too feminine...) but this one I'm just going to ignore.

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Originally Posted by Nomi

This is about where I stand, except my love for FF has been fading away over the past few years. While this may be a fantastic game and whatnot, it's too expensive and I don't dig the forced online play deal. I still await a new FF game (probably pass on XII, too feminine...) but this one I'm just going to ignore.

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I'd say my love for the FF series is just as good as it ever has been.

FF8, FFX, FFX-2, and FFTA were all great fun. I've also enjoyed the few hours of FF:CC that I've played, though I need to spend some more time with it to see if it has any lasting appeal.

I'm really excited about FFXII due to all the different people that are working on it (Vagrant Story and Front Mission...*drools*).

IMO of course.

I don't think the PS2 controls are that bad... I'm on this now, I'd only recommend it if you like Final Fantasy and like MMORPGs though, if you're into both then it's a no brainer ;)

I like Final Fantasy games, I'll play MMORPGs but so far the typical flaws in that genre keep me from saying that I like them completely... they can be fun though sometimes though :)

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Originally Posted by Dustin

CONS:
13.00 a month to play
I will need to commit alot of time to play it
Online Only

I really thing the monthly fee on top of paying 85.00 for the game is a tough pill to swallow.

I did notice that my target only had 4 in stock and at 8:15 this morning I bought one and another guy bought one , so they have 2 left.

Is it possible this game will be in a short supply in the beginning?

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ok,my take is that those 3 will impede your enjoyment of this game. I genrally dislike mmo's and ff 11 worked for me, but the monthly fee is going to becomemoreand more annoying if you are already concerned about it. Also,if you already have doubts about the time factor, it will get worse. i left 11 because i doidnt have time to keep up with my linkshell(like a clan or guild) so if those concerns already bug you, it will get worse. ff11 is one of the very best mmo's out there, but i dont think it will be for you if you have these concerns.

you guys are probably right.

What are your thoughts on it being a collectable or short printed?

Return it or hold it for resale value if this game becomes scarce in stores.

Probably was just short on supply at Target because of the price. I was at GS last night and they had over 10 copies ready for purchase. There was talk that they might have not had enough hdd's for launch, but that does seem to be the story.

so does it have the media player functions or not?

For any that care, PS2 controls are *MUCH* better than trying to play the game with a mouse and keyboard. It's best to play the PC version with a PS2 controller actually.

The game is really fun but after a while the lack of certain features (like PvP) make it less enticing. But if you're not sure, I'd say don't bother... your cons were pretty big cons.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

so does it have the media player functions or not?

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Got my Beta-reward kit today. I'll check it out when I get home.

I was talking to some gamestore workers and they all told me FFXI is on short supply. I'll be keeping my free copy sealed for eBay. :)

I really doubt FFXI will turn into some sort of collector's item.

If you don't like MMORPGs, you probably won't like FFXI. And as far as having huge computer requirements... I don't really think so. Sure, it'll run better if you have a better system, but the requirements aren't that huge. And don't be judging it's performance on city-play, because it'll run like shit on anything in a city :P

Yeah there isn't any chance that this will be a collectors item (although it's in my collection :D), I can only see you making money if the stores sell out and they are in some sort of short supply... but otherwise this isn't some sort of limited edition... not unless when they start selling the HDD seperately they stop making the bundle with Final Fantasy XI game and sell it seperately... but that isn't likely I don't think ;)

Up till last year I was stoked about the chance to play FFXI along with Galaxies, and I didn't think I'd have enough time for both of them.

Well, I don't have enough time for even Galaxies, I've had my account since last July and have barely even touched it (doesn't help it plays horribly on my machine), but for some reason I still want to hang onto my account because I have the name "Ragnarok" saved on a couple of servers. When I started playing, like, the day after it launched, the name was already taken on numerous servers so if I give it up then want to pick it up again down the road, it'll be long gone.

So, Dustin, what I recommend to you is don't pick up FFXI unless you're prepared to dedicate A LOT of time into it and really make the money worth it. If you're not prepared to do that and feel it'll just sit on your shelf more often than not, just steer clear.

I heard that even as a MMORPG, FFXI blows. Anyone wanna confirm it?

And why not just the PC version? Pay for the price of a game, not a game + 40GB HDD that only FFXI uses (for now).

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Originally Posted by Hero

Pay for the price of a game, not a game + 40GB HDD that only FFXI uses (for now).

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Shhh! You'll stir the Outbreak fans!

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Originally Posted by Hero

I heard that even as a MMORPG, FFXI blows. Anyone wanna confirm it?

And why not just the PC version? Pay for the price of a game, not a game + 40GB HDD that only FFXI uses (for now).

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Definintely one of the best MMORPGs out now. It lacks a few things, but it's really quite an experience. I've played my fair share of this genre, and FFXI has gotten most of my attention. Hard to say it's a bad game unless you go in expecting PVP.

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Originally Posted by Hero

I heard that even as a MMORPG, FFXI blows. Anyone wanna confirm it?

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i emphatically deny this, with the exception of galaxies, which i like more for cosmetic reasons, ff11 is the best mmo i have ever slogged through, and i have tried everquest(up to and including shadow of lucien), daoc, anarchy online, horizions, ff11, and swg. the art is far and away better than any mmo i have played, the class system is only bettered by swg , the quests make it a lot more involving than most mmos, the races are cool(though galka look a little silly, too top-heavy) the animations are good, the community is very fun and friendly, there is a ton to do outside of the main quests and level questing, crafting is second only to horizons, and the music kicks everyone's ass, beautiful celtic stuff. i only quit because my group way outpaced me, and the penalty for dying was a bit steep(i lost a level,and suddenly had no weapons/armor, since i had gotten stuff for my new level.) but no, ff11 kicked ass. i will probably be back if they ever give the monks some good kicking anims.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Shhh! You'll stir the Outbreak fans!

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Oh, okay. FFXI and Outbreak. Still not enough of a selling point. I wouldn't mind trying FFXI out, but the monthly fees are rediculous, the whole 'World Pass' thing is a load of crap, and when I played it at e3, the combat was 'realtime menu juggling'

Not cool.

As for Outbreak? I don't care enough about it to get a HDD for it.

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Originally Posted by NoFace

Hard to say it's a bad game unless you go in expecting PVP.

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No PVP = Fatal Flaw in an MMORPG. It's a major piece of gameplay. Basically, MMORPGs, have three main components: Player vs (NPC) Enemy, Player vs Player, and Crafting/Business. FFXI to my knowledge has one of the three.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

so does it have the media player functions or not?

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Nope, just a new version of the DVD drivers. The ability to save your Memory card saves to the HDD and thats about it. None of the other talked about features made the trip. I'm a bit disspointed glad I didn't buy it yet.

Now someone needs to crack this puppy a la Xbox.

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Originally Posted by x2y

Nope, just a new version of the DVD drivers. The ability to save your Memory card saves to the HDD and thats about it. None of the other talked about features made the trip. I'm a bit disspointed glad I didn't buy it yet.

Now someone needs to crack this puppy a la Xbox.

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Looks like I won't be investing any money in it either then... At least, not until some sort of a track ripping utility pops up. As for that second thing, consider that pretty much done. I'm looking at you, PS2 Linux for the exact same price as FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

No PVP = Fatal Flaw in an MMORPG. It's a major piece of gameplay. Basically, MMORPGs, have three main components: Player vs (NPC) Enemy, Player vs Player, and Crafting/Business. FFXI to my knowledge has one of the three.

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what the heck are you talking about? there is a fairly robust crafting aspect to ff11.

I heard PVP was added to Final Fantasy XI, but it is limited to high level players and only certain areas... not great, but better then not having any I suppose :\

I'm fairly sure PVP hasn't been added yet... but I'm booting up XI now to check.

I don't think it's as crucial a part of an MMORPG experience as you say Yoshi. The game was fun to me and lots of other people for months/years without PVP, so... it must not be a required thing.

I do, however, think it makes for a better game... so it's definitely better when it's in there.

I've got too much time put into Ragnarok Online to just jump ship and play FFXI. That and the $100 price tag are big deterrants to me.

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Originally Posted by Chux

I've got too much time put into Ragnarok Online to just jump ship and play FFXI. That and the $100 price tag are big deterrants to me.

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Replace Ragnarok Online with Dark Age of Camelot and I feel the same way as Chux. I havent played it in a while but everything thats good about mmorpg's is there if I feel the urge to fire it up. Crafting,grouping,massive areas/dungeons to explore, PVP action out the wang. As much as I want to give FF11 a try - its just not worth it at the moment. BUT if you've never tried MMORPG's I have heard that FF11 is a decent one so you may owe it to yourself to give it a shot so that you can form an opinion about the genre.

If you like it then , sweet it was worth the cash and you'll have some fun with it , if not - then you'll never waste money on another one again, I'm sure...

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Originally Posted by x2y

Nope, just a new version of the DVD drivers. The ability to save your Memory card saves to the HDD and thats about it. None of the other talked about features made the trip. I'm a bit disspointed glad I didn't buy it yet.

Now someone needs to crack this puppy a la Xbox.

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so i assume you can transfer a save to the hdd but not load it form the game. you have to put it back on the memory card right? so more of an archiving type of deal?

no media functions completely unsells this for me.

square has another expansion planned. i dont know if the actual PvP will be implemented in this or in the next update.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

so i assume you can transfer a save to the hdd but not load it form the game. you have to put it back on the memory card right? so more of an archiving type of deal?

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Havn't cracked my box yet, but that's exactly how it was with my beta hdd, and I'm sure it is no different now. :(

Yeah I think that is how it works, since most games we're not designed with the HDD in mind you really can't save and load directly from it... but it actually works good since moving them between the HDD and the memory cards is much easier then having multiple cards and trying to look for a certain save, just copy/move the save you use over and leave the rest on the HDD :)

I shall end this discussion.

If you don't have a PC that can handle it, don't even bother.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

so i assume you can transfer a save to the hdd but not load it form the game. you have to put it back on the memory card right? so more of an archiving type of deal?

no media functions completely unsells this for me.

square has another expansion planned. i dont know if the actual PvP will be implemented in this or in the next update.

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That is correct.

Another thing driving us up the wall is the router issue. We can't seem to connect with it a certain way. I changed the settings and then FFXI works (logs online) then the rest of the games don't and vice versa.

PvP is suppost to be in the next xpac, bumped back from the Jan patch. Nice thing about square is they almost never release/patch anything until its working. Square wins lots of brownie points with me for a fucking stable mmo (nigh impossible to find) and acually testing stuff before it hits the servers.

Also they left out alot of mmo staples like item loss on death and corpse retrieval which is just nice.

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Originally Posted by MarsKitten

PvP is suppost to be in the next xpac, bumped back from the Jan patch. Nice thing about square is they almost never release/patch anything until its working. Square wins lots of brownie points with me for a fucking stable mmo (nigh impossible to find) and acually testing stuff before it hits the servers.

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:lol: Square did an absolute shit job on bug removal. You are just playing it well over a year after release. The Japanese launch was a disaster.

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

what the heck are you talking about? there is a fairly robust crafting aspect to ff11.

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That is why I said as far as I know. I never touched any crafting in it.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

That is why I said as far as I know. I never touched any crafting in it.

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but you said it was one of the three most important things in a mmo, and you didnt try it? so your saying you dismissed a game 's merit without even knowing what you are talking about..that really calls any further posts on the subject into question.

Here's all you can expect to do in FFXI.

Kill stuff, gain levels SLOWLY, then be forced to kill stuff in a group, gain levels SLOWLY, hunt for rare items, do some quests, gain more levels SLOWLY, and then !!!!! switch classes and do it all over again!!!

FFXI is the good BEGINNING of an MMORPG, but until they add some sort of PvP to make it worthwhile there's no fucking point. It's like eating a steak... it tastes good, but it's not the best steak you've ever had, and you can't pinpoint exactly what that lost flavor is, but you know it needs SOMETHING.

Wow, you have a level 75 character, he sure can kill those monsters pretty fast and spend hours looking for TEH UBER RARE ITEM!!!

I played it for a very long time since the NA release, and I eventually realized all this work level building and getting rare items was really for nothing. In the linkshell (clan) I was in, I went out of town for two days, and everyone was 5-7 levels ahead of me, so there goes playing with the friends I made.

It requires an ungodly amount of time and patience, and when you do get into a good linkshell with people your level, the party requirements to get decent exp are so harsh you'll need to play for hours everyday just to keep up with them.

To spend 100 plus 13 bucks a month for ANY mmorpg is highway robbery, though, imo.

I agree but that is the problem with every MMORPG I've seen, the biggest problem with MMORPGs is that there are too many restrictions and they focus too much on levels and leveling up... if they allowed you more freedom in what you wanted to do like character development and PVP it would be better IMO. The battle system should also be reworked, what level a person is shouldn't be as dominated and player skill should play more of a role instead.

Also MMORPGs try to force you to group for quests, I like grouping up but it should be because I want to not because so and so says I need to or I can't continue on.

If you could do whatever you wanted and develop you're character the way you want and not how they give you that would be a much better MMORPG IMO :)

I was really thinking about picking the game up until I realized it'd cost me $165 just to play for 2 months. :eek:

The more I thought about it, I'm not a big fan of the leveling up either and am instead going to wait for True Fantasy Live Online with its emphasis on individual jobs.