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GS: Are you interested in portable devices?
TM: Yes, I think my next game will be for the PSP or Nintendo DS.
GS: Will that be Rez 2?
TM: In my mind, yes. But I won't use the Rez name because that belongs to Sega.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/03...s_6092467.html <- Rest of interview with Tetsuya Mizuguchi
Rez was not meant to be played on a piddly little screen, so unless Rez 2 is something far different...sales +0
I'm starting to really dislike handhelds.
Gonna have to agree here. Rez is about using a large screen with the stereo pumped up and the trancevibrator going, feeling the sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoBVila
I'd still buy it, but it would be a shadow of its former self.
I love handhelds. The GBA gets a lot of PT from me. But I (and I know a lot of other people too) was afraid of them migrating to this 3D stuff, which is novel to me. It's neat to see something and go "Hey, polygons on a 3 inch screen"...but then that's over and it's about the game. And yes, Rez is about immersion...and yes I'd probably buy this anyway because I buy everything else. Sales +1/2
So.. what's the possibility of the DS/PSP having built-in rumble functions? Because to me, this would be completely retarded without it. Well, I take it back, this will probably be completely retarded either way, but far less so if it had a rumble.
But I'll still buy it :(
This is what happens when you buy handheld shit.
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Originally Posted by MechDeus
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Originally Posted by BoBVilla
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Originally Posted by Andy
Purchasing this piece of shit will teach Mizuguchi NOTHING.
Ugh, quit your anti-handheld drip, man. Folks can buy what they want, when they want, and play it however they want. Would Rez 2, or even the original, be what it could be on a full-fledged console, but it's still better than nothing.
1. The original Rez sold like shit anyway. He is probably better off aiming at a younger more enthusiastic crowd than the older demographic of console gamers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
2. Huh?
It probably would have helped if the production run wasn't so small. You can't expect a game to sell millions if the majority of stores don't have it in stock and most gamers don't know it exists. Sega really should have made more copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
Kindly fuck yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
You will never tell me where I can and cannot post, even if you become a moderator.
That doesn't make them less stupid.Quote:
Folks can buy what they want, when they want, and play it however they want.
I think what you're trying to say is that Rez on a handheld is better than nothing.Quote:
Would Rez 2, or even the original, be what it could be on a full-fledged console, but it's still better than nothing.
I disagree. I'd rather have nothing. I'd prefer to have nothing.
Having nothing would be less insulting to the original game than this handheld game will ever possibly turn out to be.
Yes, but it didn't even sell in the stores that had them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
i'll buy it just to piss you off.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
:lol:
You say this as if I care about what you think outside of this forum :)Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
I wish I had disposable income.
I wish I had income so I could pick up the first. : points to sig :
And this on a handheld pisses me off very much. I doubt I'll be buying either, and frankly... No. Rez.. Handheld.. :cry:
dog$, I was debating whether to change that to "could you quit your anti-handheld...", but opted not to once I saw that you'd already responded to it. Also, yes, I was speaking about Rez, and/or a sequel not being all that it could be on a portable when compared to that same game on a console.
The upside to it though is that the game/series would have a chance to reach a new audience, and if it's released at the beginning of either system's lifespan, it will have a chance of garnering decent sales due to a limited marketplace for the system. In the end, I'd rather see a Rez-style game on a portable than not see a Rez-style on a console.
I hope the DS will have a headphone jack...
Ribbing aside, the situation is probably this: Rez 2 on a handheld, with its success or failure as a measuring stick for the approval of any future installments that may or may not be planned for a console, or no Rez ever again for the forseeable future.
Your vote for the continuation of the series will be cast by whether or not you support this. That may not be your ideal scenario, but it's the truth.
Anti-handheld positions are drip. I agree with Jeremy here. I think that DS and PSP and GBA all have great games to offer and have their own unique qualities to love and cherish.
Mario and Luigi is a nice little game. You should maybe try it guys and everything will come together. Putting a game on the handheld market offer a whole new range of possibilities.
Rockin'.
Rez lives on.
*sigh*
He must be banking that someone's actually gonna pay attention to putting decent sound on a handheld for once.
Still, I've got the faith.
Baron: All All All ages welcome!
You whiney bitches should be happy you're getting another Rez at all, not complaining about which system it's showing up on.
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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Im gonna try to keep the faith... but have you heard what a handheld sounds like? Seriously. Im guessing PSP will have a good chance of being decent in that area, but still, it's left to question. I dont doubt that he can bring his vision to the small screen. He is a man of integrity it seems, and Im sure he wouldnt do it unless he felt it was quality. Also, I think it would be fantastic to escape into that kind of world while say, waiting for my next class, or standing in line at a fast food joint. I just dont think that even the next round of handhelds will yet be able to handle that kind of game.
Well, going by JUST this tidbit, it won't be a new Rez, as Sega owns the name and stuff, it'd probably be a Rez-like game at most.
Yes it won't be Rez because it won't have the name.
I don't know why everyone is so freaking upset about the sound on this thing. It'll be using a DVD medium to record the game data, as well as the sound, which means at the very least the tunes'll be CD quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightBit
What the Hell is there to worry about?! It seems like you guys are jumping the gun and inventing rediculous reasons and incredulous fears to not love this news.
Andrew, what the hell? I said it'd probably be a Rez-like game. In other words, a spiritual successor to Rez. It's sooooo good to see you fall back on nitpicking again...
CV, those are some great points. Right now, there's no real reason to be worried about how this will turn out due to the hardware of either the DS or the PSP, as no one here has even seen or heard anything on the physical systems. Seeing a clip of a game running on your PC is probably quite different than how you'll see it on the screen.
But not purchasing means I don't get to play it...Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
besides, PS3 is supposed to play PSP games, so just do that if it bugs you so much.
I have no fear. Fear is the mind killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Indeed it is. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EightBit
I wish I owned the Rez soundtrack. :(
What the heck are you speaking about? I was agreeing that it won't be Rez in its typical fashion because of the licencing issue on the name. I don't know how you're offended by this but I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Rez will be like the other one because of the licencing issues.
This is TNL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Yes. But TNL is a great melting pot of opinions. Yours is as welcomed as some other joe. I happen to agree more with the Captain because this could turn out to be a blessing to the series. A revival on handheld could write a future in the consoles for the series as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Got mine from MegaCon. Im surprised track five hasnt gotten a hole burned in it yet.
Seriously though. Im not trying to nitpick or be negative or anything. Im just expressing my concerns. I think they are viable enough. I would say sound is the most important feature in Rez, and sound quality of handhelds hasnt been esspecially good thus far. I cant say Ive been eyeballing PSP and DS news very much lately, so I have no idea what was mentioned(if anything) of thier sound capabilities.
Yeah, I know. I even knew it as I was posting. That doesn't make it any less rediculous, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Yes don't worry. We have some colorful characters around these parts but you're welcome to your opinion as much as me or Nick himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightBit
MegaCon? What, is that a gaming/anime/etc. convention of some kind?Quote:
Originally Posted by EightBit
But all handheld gaming systems up to this point have been cartrige based systems. The PSP is not, and as far as I know, neither is the DS. They're disc based systems, meaning infinitely increased sound quality. You don't have to know the particulars to know the sound'll be 100 billion times better than what we have now.Quote:
Seriously though. Im not trying to nitpick or be negative or anything. Im just expressing my concerns. I think they are viable enough. I would say sound is the most important feature in Rez, and sound quality of handhelds hasnt been esspecially good thus far. I cant say Ive been eyeballing PSP and DS news very much lately, so I have no idea what was mentioned(if anything) of thier sound capabilities.
Have you watched the Death Jr. video yet? Listen to it. The sound's got nowhere to go but up. ;)
Try and see it from their point of view, though. They've been dying and asking who they need to do away with in order to get a new Rez title and it turns out they may have to buy a new system they may not even like in order to play it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
But be thankful it's not on the n-gage I guess.
As good as PSP's sound is, it will never beat TV speaker 3D input dolby 5.1.
The Death Jr. video made me quite optomistic about what can be done visually and aurally with the PSP hardware, and if it's a sign of things to come, we'll all be in for some great gaming. Time will tell if we'll be in for great, diverse gaming though.
It all depends on who's coming to help the system out. They need more then one game to make it a success.
It's a Sony system, they don't need more than the Sony name being on it to make it a success, sadly. If the price is insanely high, that could easily be a different story though.
I'm pretty sure they need games Jeremy.
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Originally Posted by Andrew
o.... kay....
Ding, ding ding. Damian got it right off the bat. The PS2 sold like hotcakes in part due to it doing things that didn't involve games, such as DVD playback. The PS2's game library didn't get hot until nine or so months into it's lifespan. And as a launch buyer, I was amazed at how few "A" or even "B" list games were coming out for that time frame. Until Twisted Metal: Black came out, my system was mainly used for the occasional Tekken Bowling session and DVD movie play.
But it was in anticipation of those games for which you bought the system.
It's foolish to say games aren't involved in the sale of a GAME system, reguardless of what else it can do or when these games are hitting shelves.
If you wanted a freaking DVD player, you'd have saved about $200 and just bought a DVD player. But you didn't. You wanted a gaming system, and so you, as well as myself, and many, many others bought a PS2.
I'm not buying a PSP for movie or music playback, though they are bonuses. I'm buying it for the games. If it takes a year for any decent games to release, so be it, but I'm still in it for the games.
So is everyone else who buys one.
The games definitely sold me on the system. I knew that I'd get my $300 worth out of just TTT and TM: B, and the DVD playback cinched it. The PSX playback was a great selling point for me as well, since I'd had bad experiences with that system dying out on me.
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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Yes, the anticipation is key. As long as the promise of quality key titles are there, people seem to buy the things even if the the quality games are released a year later.
I doubt a disc-based portable is going to rumble. Unless the company making it is really stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
(Which isn't unimaginable.)
I know you're laughing at us.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
Be nice. You troll the hell out of every handheld thread - people tire of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
My games don't have emotions or egos. I'm jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
You have to be kidding. Rez is about sensory stimulation as much as it is about gameplay. It needs to be on a console like nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
It's more than just sound quality - it's also about sound output, and playing a game like Rez though a kickass sub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
I hope not. You'll be disappointed when those features are cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Most (>70%) of the people who buy a PSP will do so because Maxim tells them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
This is good - no - great news. I was skeptical about another Rez (Rez-style) game being released and now the man himself just confirmed it. Awesome.
I love handheld games/systems (even though Nintendo designed systems hurt my hands). The rumbling might be missed but I don't mind the "small" screen at all. PSP is designed to play digital music so music playback will be great on these new systems, especially with headphones.
It will be really nice to have a portable Rez. It'll be nice to zone out and let the time fly by. :noob:
I can't tell whether you're sincere or the world's greatest spin-doctor.
Or, you know, a nutjob.
I believe this news. I do troll the hell out of every handheld thread... every one except this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one. Damn, and those exceptions are just for threads which were posted in during 2004!Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Oh fine Mr. Literalist, just alter what you quoted of me there until it reads that it's better for Rez to go out with a bang and not have a shitty follow-up than to have a shitty follow-up.Quote:
My games don't have emotions or egos. I'm jealous.
This is all that you needed to say.Quote:
It needs to be on a console like nothing else.
I was actually planning on buying it for myself. You know, to play it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
p.s. If Rez on handheld actually sells well there's a greater chance of a console sequel then if it totally bombs. If it sells pathetically the higher-ups will figure the license is crap and totally cut it off; your logic is quite backwards when aimed at corporate. It's not exactly an established series yet (not that that sort of thing helped Streets of Rage, but still).But you won't be purchasing it, therefore you will have nothing. I don't see the problem here.Quote:
I disagree. I'd rather have nothing. I'd prefer to have nothing.
That my PSP will have a screen that's like 1/20th of my current TV and is lacking a subwoofer that makes my body vibrate in time with the beat. When it comes to sound/color immersion, those are some pretty big points. In fact, they're practically the entire reason to play Rez in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
I have invented no detractable points, this is like trying to recreate the statue of David with Photoshop. No matter how hard you try and no matter how good an artist you are, Photoshop will never be able to make a tangible stone carving. Give the PSP a video and an optical out and we'll talk.
it's kind of sad that you did all that work when it won't change anyone's opinion of you as a handheld-thread troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
If the guy wants to put Rez on a handheld, let him do it.
He made it good on consoles, i'm sure he'll manage to make it good on handhelds.
you guys worry too much.
People worry too much about videogames on a videogame message board?
Perish the thought!
The problem is that the game (theoretically) exists, when it shouldn't.Quote:
I don't see the problem here.
I think Rez is a great game. Now that opinion will be called into question every time the game is discussed and someone has to inquire why I don't acknowledge this handheld sequel. The exact same problem exists in regards to the RCR and FFT series.
Currently it's impossible for me to discuss (ie) FFT without recognizing the existence of FFT Advance. It shouldn't have to be that way, but S-E loves money and its fans love unquestionably spending it. Thus I have to suffer.
And all of the discussion, and development, and money exchanged, and talent wasted towards these handheld games would simply not exist if these choices did not have to be made.
But hey, this is an industry and there's profit to be had.
That doesn't mean I should have to tactily agree with people who are content to purchase substandard software for the sake of not being labelled a troll.
The record will not stop skipping until you people stop assuming everyone is content with blindly spending money for the companies/developers/series they "love".
I believe his point was to prove that he barely trolls these threads at all and provided evidence to support his claim.
Maybe it'll have a USB port for the Trance Vibrator... ooh!Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Only the truth can make me this sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
That being said, I'd gladly buy a new Mizuguchi game on whatever format it is offered to me. I spent a good chunk of time this past weekend playing Rez and SPC5 Part 2... I love 'em :_)
It "shouldn't" be that people enjoy a great game just because it's on a system you don't like? I'm sure many cry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
To use your own examples, I fail to see how RCREX or FFTA are in any way substandard on portable (barring FFT's music). Rez, fighting games, and racing games are the only styles I think should not be on portables.Quote:
That doesn't mean I should have to tactily agree with people who are content to purchase substandard software for the sake of not being labelled a troll.
But then, you would rather that many games not exist at all then exist on portable, so it's not like you even have anything against the game. The GBA is the only place to get constant, new, quality side-scrollers and I somehow doubt that number would increase exponentially if portables stopped existing. We'd merely end up with no Aria of Sorrows and instead have a larger lineup of Lament of Innocences. I prefer quality games on a platform that allows me to play wherever over no games at all, but that's me.Except that most of your writings in such threads hinge on nothing that has anything to do with that and everything to do with your personal distaste with portable gaming. If the two meet, all the more reason for you. I do like how you typed that sentence in this thread, there's a lot of console game threads that deserve it a lot more, especially since hardly anyone is acting blind in here.Quote:
The record will not stop skipping until you people stop assuming everyone is content with blindly spending money for the companies/developers/series they "love".
Well.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Large increases in storage capacity mean the possibility of streamed digital audio. So...yeah. That stuff'll be CD quality. However, Rez doesn't just stream pre-recorded digital audio. The entire point of Rez is that the music changes with what you do. That requires midi. Good sounding midi has nothing to do with storage capacity. It has to do with having a good sounding synthesizer with tons of wavetable RAM on the chip for storing realistic or full instrument sounds. On a portable, I have my doubts for quality midi....
First Shining Force... now this...
*huge, dissapointed sigh*
I like my GBASP. It's cool to hold, extremely portable, doesn't look dorky, and is the only system that still has new 16-bit style games being created for it.
That said, I'd whack Mizuguchi over the head with it until I learned him some sense if he didn't seem like such a cool guy. It's just a waste of one of the best franchises (can I say that now?) ever.