Galleon: The game is finally finished!

Toby Gard, creator of Tomb Raider and B.C. Racer, came by with Galleon today. Him and his team have finally finished the game after 6 long years. They haven't announced a publisher yet, but they'll have one by E3 and it's anybody's guess when said publisher will release the game. It is an Xbox exclusive title.

I really liked what I saw of the game yesterday. When he first booted up the game, I was like, UGH! JESUS CHRIST MY EYES! Especially after playing FarCry for the past week. Then, as he began to run around superhuman styles around these huge islands, swim like a dolphin in deep tropical waters, run up walls like the Prince of Persia and stick to them like Spider-Man, literally kung-fu brawl with up to like 10 enemies using a variety of impressive and fun to execute moves--all of which functions within a friction/mass/momentum-based physics system--I knew this game was more than just shitty graphics.

Basically, image the environmental puzzles of Ico, with the acrobatics of Prince of Persia (except this time, it's really much more open-ended and less linear/scripted platforming puzzles since it's all physics-based), and the combat of... I dunno, Mark of Kri and its emphasis on huge multi-enemy brawls (loosely) and you've basically got Galleon. It's a game that's much more intent on hammering its strange aesthetics into your head than it is on trying to push triangles and the latest bump mapping technology. It's also a game with absolutely zero ship battles and--get this--NO PIRATES. :lol:

Can't wait to play it for review actually.

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It better play beautifully because screenshots sure as hell aren't going to sell it. But if you say it's fun I'll just have to take your word for it. Certainly sounds cool enough.

[edit] 10 minutes later, my eyes are still bleeding.

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Originally Posted by chespace

...also a game with absolutely zero ship battles and--get this--NO PIRATES.

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http://www.videogamerx.net/gamenews/a003/084/07.jpg

That's a pirate if I ever saw one.

Arrggg...I had my money on Duke Nukem Forever.

They must not want it to sell at all. The graphics look almost as bad as a Dreamcast homebrew game.

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wow

I remember reading about this back in the day in Next Generation I think. The graphics were gorgeous back then! Damn, it's been awhile. Still looking forward to it.

I'm sorry.

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*violently shakes head to snap out of trance*

Why is it that ugly? Simple I can understand. Primative I can understand. Ugly? At the professional release level? Can't understand that.

It seems that everyone in the game is severely malnourished...

The game has been in the works since late 97 or early 98. I have an issue of Next generation magazine from fall 1998, and they had a 5 or 6 page story on it. It still doesn't excuse the fact that they could have upgraded the graphics or used a new engine or something.

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Originally Posted by chespace

Then, as he began to run around superhuman styles around these huge islands, swim like a dolphin in deep tropical waters, run up walls like the Prince of Persia and stick to them like Spider-Man, literally kung-fu brawl with up to like 10 enemies using a variety of impressive and fun to execute moves--all of which functions within a friction/mass/momentum-based physics system--I knew this game was more than just shitty graphics.

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I never expected such shallowness from TNL.

This game sounds awesome based on his description, despite what the graphics look like.

Yeah, but until we play it & enjoy the awesome gameplay, all we can do is look at how ugly it is.

For me the issue isn't the semi-primative graphics, it is the fact that the character designs just flat out suck. If the people are that outlandishly proportioned, the world should look more skewed or something. The bizzarro characters & the vanilla levels & architecture aren't working well togther.

JM

I personally don't give a shit as long as the framerate is nice and smooth. The game looks good enough to me. Sadly, I doubt my current PC and piddly VRAM will run it.

Looking at those screenshots makes me feel as though I've had scurvy for the past 6 months. The environments look well designed, just not well defined. I hope it plays well because those models really piss me off to no end.

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Originally Posted by chespace

Especially after playing FarCry for the past week.

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Man you love that game so much.

Like others have, I remember reading about this game a long time ago. It sounds very promising from the way you describe it. It certainly does look like ass though.

Che - for reference, I think ["thumbnail"]["/thumbnail"] (no quotes) will automatically make the images into smaller, clickable pics. Might make the images more tolerable for those heathens on dialup.

I have been looking forward to this title for a while, and graphics shouldn't be the meat of the game, they are just the sugar that helps the medicine go down. I'll definitely pick it up, but it better be priced competitively...

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Originally Posted by JM

For me the issue isn't the semi-primative graphics, it is the fact that the character designs just flat out suck. If the people are that outlandishly proportioned, the world should look more skewed or something. The bizzarro characters & the vanilla levels & architecture aren't working well together.

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I actually like the character designs. Anything that isn't trying to look ultra-realistic is fine be me.
Though, those knees are downright frightening. Cripes.
The readhead looks like what Lara would have if her face were attractive. Awesome.

I'm going to be downright shallow here and say there's no way in hell I'm playing that shitty looking game. And sure, there's no regular Pirates in the game, but I can tell from the screenshots that it features ass pirates.http://www.videogamerx.net/gamenews/a003/084/05.jpg

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Dude's got it going! :cool:

If the reviews are good, I'll put down the cash.

You have to give it to them though, I never thought that this would see the light of day.

This game sounded pretty cool years back, I had no clue it was still in development. Yes, these humans with their bizarre insect legs are pretty offensive to look at, but I'm really curious about the game itself. I'll be paying attention to this. I'd also like to see those weird-ass people in action.

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You have to give it to them though, I never thought that this would see the light of day.

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Yeah, no kidding, this shocks me even more than the weird-looking people.

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Originally Posted by sleeveboy

I never expected such shallowness from TNL.

This game sounds awesome based on his description, despite what the graphics look like.

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I'll buy it if the reviews are good, but I'm still going to make fun of the screenshots.

they look like wheelchair people that just stood up for the first time in the last 10 years

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Originally Posted by sleeveboy

I never expected such shallowness from TNL.

This game sounds awesome based on his description, despite what the graphics look like.

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Give him a break...he's a pro ;)

Anyway, the game looked like a blast when I saw it...like two years ago.

wow, so Rob Leifeld has been doing character art for videogames...

I like the visuals of the game, barring the skinny character models. It looks enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

I like the visuals of the game, barring the skinny character models. It looks enjoyable.

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I don't know, those environments look pretty dismal too. Unless the style of the game is to not be that enthralling.

I realize they probably wanted to make it cartoony and different but it's just not happenin' for most of us. It will probably be a great game though.

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Originally Posted by Kraftwerks

wow, so Rob Leifeld has been doing character art for videogames...

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Is he a bad artist?

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Is he a bad artist?

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I'd recommend Savage Dragon for a stunning display of design and proportional figure art.

And by "stunning" I of course mean "craptacular."

Don't worry. I'm jive to the new definition of stunning.

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlareX

I personally don't give a shit as long as the framerate is nice and smooth. The game looks good enough to me. Sadly, I doubt my current PC and piddly VRAM will run it.

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ummmm didnt he say its an xbox exclusive?

I don't mind the graphics here. I don't like them, but I don't mind them. They're not something that would stop me from getting the game if it proves to be a fun experience. Morrowind had terrible looking characters, but I got over that.

No you didn't. That's why you had to mention it again. People who 'get over' things don't typically hold it against something in a later date. You simply repressed it down deep within yourself to spring it up at a later time. This is your new ammunition.

God those graphics are cheesy. So is it going to play like a Tomb Raider in the Caribbean with skinny legs on everybody or what?

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No you didn't. That's why you had to mention it again. People who 'get over' things don't typically hold it against something in a later date. You simply repressed it down deep within yourself to spring it up at a later time. This is your new ammunition.

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'had' is a verb in past tense. It implies a situation is no longer true as it was in the past. But since my memory isn't limited to the present, I can remember a time when the character models of Morrowind were a bone of contention with me. This is no longer the case.

I have no need to supress anything because I am already insane.

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No you didn't. That's why you had to mention it again. People who 'get over' things don't typically hold it against something in a later date. You simply repressed it down deep within yourself to spring it up at a later time. This is your new ammunition.

God those graphics are cheesy. So is it going to play like a Tomb Raider in the Caribbean with skinny legs on everybody or what?

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no, did you read my impressions? it's way deeper and more physics driven than tomb raider. graphically, i could live with it. gameplay wise, i'm kinda sold. :|

the boob physics are good, so i'm sold..

they might as well come up with a N64 port though.. seriously, damn.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Is he a bad artist?

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in a word, absofuckinglutely.
The way the main guy's mouth is reminded me of Leifeld.

Right now, I relish the oppurtunity of playing through the original Monkey Island and King's Quest 2 again... so if the gameplay in Galleon is tight, I can't pretend that graphics will affect my purchase.

Well Ches description of the game has me very interested in the game, sounds like a lot of fun. Graphics are bad, but at least they are clear. If it runs smooth and there arn't all sorts of texture tears and flickerish stuff going on I don't care how the models look. It sounds like a extremely fun game, thats all that matters. Plus I really doubt this game comes out at $50, I am going to guess $20 or $30 if they even hope to sell it, but I doubt that would ever pay for 6 years of labor.

I'm still going to wait until I can try it out before buying it... I can't get by those graphics and artwork.

Ugly graphics but I can live with it. It sounds like a fun game overall, and if the character responds properly to what you want him to do and the camera is properly controllable then I'm good with it.

Liefield blows, hard. Eric Larson on Savage Dragon, on the other hand, is a much better artist than he looks. I've no idea when that series went from curiosity about Image comics (back in the day) to a monthly guilty pleasure.

I love a good threadjack. :)

James

I'd be surprised if a publisher took a risk on this game with visuals like this, because gameplay doesn't sell games. Heck, even games with good visuals like Beyond Good and Evil can't make it in the market. It needs not only slick visuals but also a strong ad campaign if the developer ever hopes to make back those six years of effort.

I'll buy it for the gameplay, but 99% of the people who buy games won't.

It's not that the graphics are bad, I have played a lot of games with poor graphics and while they would have been nice, didn't prevent me from enjoying the game.

In this case, I don't like the style of the bad graphics.

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Originally Posted by Ammadeau

I'd be surprised if a publisher took a risk on this game with visuals like this, because gameplay doesn't sell games.

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Guess who just did...
http://www.atlus.com/main.html

Slick!

This is fantastic, I can't wait for this game.

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Originally Posted by Mamoscott

Che - for reference, I think ["thumbnail"]["/thumbnail"] (no quotes) will automatically make the images into smaller, clickable pics. Might make the images more tolerable for those heathens on dialup.

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Not to be anal and off topic, but no, thumbnail does not do that. The images remain the same file size, it's just the webbrowser is told to display them at a smaller physical size. It actually increases download time, as now the browser has to rescale the image on the fly on top of downloading it.

Oh, and the game looks very bad, but from the description of it, it has caught my interest....

I'm interested too. Graphics are... unique, but the game sounds cool enough to play. Nice job Atlus, as usual. Plus it's Atlus's first Xbox game, too.

James

ah atlus, i love them, they seem to have a death-grip on the odd and niche type games.

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Plus it's Atlus's first Xbox game, too.

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Second. Their first will be Pro Fishing Challenge, to be released this summer.

I've never been really interested in this game. After watching the trailer for it it seems like it could be fun, but still... I'll keep an eye on it. Give it the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally Posted by RedCoKid

Guess who just did...
http://www.atlus.com/main.html

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If I had to guess they would have been my top pick. They're also bringing SMT3 which I never thought would get a US release. Now if they would only pick up Atelier Iris, they would be the greatest company on earth. :)

I want my games that are released in 2004 to look like they were released in 2004. This is not unreasonable. This game will be relegated to the bargain bins a week after it comes out and Atlus will lose a lot of money for supporting it. Big mistake on their part.

If Toby Gard has come up with such an amazing gameplay system after toiling for six fucking years you'd think he would at least respect his product enough to make it look the part.

Agreed.

I'll decide if the graphics are good after I get some hands-on time with the game, whether via demo or owning it. Until then I'm not going to make a call off of still screenshots. If you only see a still shot of a game's graphics then you're only seeing half of what they've got to show.

Within limits, of course. No force on earth is going to make sprite enemies in Doom look any less like they're made of flat legos. On the other hand, though I wouldn't exactly marvel at the technical prowess on display I can still have a good time with Descent 2 and not sweat the polygonal chunkiness on display. Hi-res 3D-accelerated Descent 2, of course.

James

The way I look at it, all a game boils down to is graphical interpritation. The gameplay is expressed to you with graphics. If they aren't in some way pleasing or atleast decent, the whole experience is shit as far as I'm concerned. Games can look ok and have great paly and be amazing (Metal Slug 3), or be low tech but have style and spunk (Disgaea), but if they can only look so bad before they simply aren't playable anymore.

this looks unplayable.

Well, you can forgive any lacking graphics in Doom or Metal Slug 3 because the art design is strong and consistent - Doom has a sort of retro flair that is charming nowadays. Disgaea looks cute I suppose which can work for some as well.

But this game just looks terrible. Not only are the characters low-poly but they look horrendous. The art design is awful. The environments themselves are simple and flat, and look sub-Ultima IX quality. I dont even think this would've passed for good in 1998. It looks like bottom of the barrel first-gen 3Dfx Glide games.

This is just not acceptable for a game released in 2004. Like I said if the game really does play well it would be a shame that they cared so little about the aesthetics.

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Games can look ok and have great paly and be amazing (Metal Slug 3), or be low tech but have style and spunk (Disgaea), but if they can only look so bad before they simply aren't playable anymore.

this looks unplayable.

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So Metal Slug looks "okay" and Disgaea is "low-tech".

Ugh.

By the way, unplayable and graphics should NEVER have anything to do with each other. Pong will ALWAYS be playable, and the graphics will ALWAYS be ass. As if everything on older systems is "unplayable". Good greif.

Some people get spoiled at times in their lives and are grateful, knowing they could still enjoy life with less, others stay spoiled for life, and if things don't meet their expectations on all fronts, it's hissy fit times. We have all been spoiled with good graphics, that doesn't mean we need to throw a hissy fit when they don't meet our standards. Note to yourself "this is unatractive" and give the gameplay, music, story, control, art direction, etc. a shot.

Jeebus.

This used to be the realm of the jaded "2D games rule" fans, and now it is the home of the jaded "hollywood production values" crew. I'm not sure if that is better or worse.

PS: And yes, I realize the art direction is ass too. I'm still buying the game.

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This used to be the realm of the jaded "2D games rule" fans, and now it is the home of the jaded "hollywood production values" crew. I'm not sure if that is better or worse.

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Undoubtedly it is better.

But anyway, I have no problem with Pong looking like shit because it was released like 32 years ago. I do have a problem with Galleon looking like shit because it is being released in 2004.

Also Pong suffered from limitations imposed on the hardware. This game suffers from nothing more than poor art direction. I'm still willing to give it a shot though because it might be a different story when it's in motion, though if it animates like all the characters are wooden marrionettes, then I'll likely pass. I have some limits when it comes to visuals that I can stand.

Edge gave this a 7/10, I believe.

Basic ideas: Brilliantly mind-blowingly original gameplay, but looked awful and, if I remember correctly, was far too short.

If the game is decent, I don't care if it's a bit ugly - even a lot ugly.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

But anyway, I have no problem with Pong looking like shit because it was released like 32 years ago. I do have a problem with Galleon looking like shit because it is being released in 2004.

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that's what I'm saying. Pong doesn't count, it looked fine when it came out, and everyone knows that. However in Galleons case, no one will ever say it looked good when it came out. It will have always been an ugly piece of shit.

Well from all the videos of the game I have watched it looks really freaking fun. Yeah we all know that graphics are poor, but from what I can tell none of that is going to matter in terms of gameplay, meaning that its not going to be like you won't be able to tell what you are doing because the graphics are so poor.

Edge said it was short huh? Hmmm, from some of the hands-on things I read the game was going to be really big and long for its kind of game like 50 hours or something.

Anyone who plays SVC: Chaos or CvS: EO and yet rags on this game for having outdated graphics needs to seriously re-examine their position.

I'm not playing this game, but I'm happy that some people are and expecting to (and no doubt will) enjoy it.

So what does it matter to others if some people aren't going to be playing it? Just play your games and enjoy them, don't try to make yourself responsible for marketing them.

As I said before, I've enjoyed games with graphics that other people have complained about. Disaster Report was one of the best games I played last year, and although the graphics weren't the best I forgot about them in about two minutes play time, the rest of the game is so good. Actually I thought they were pretty good given how big some of the maps were, even impressive in places, but again that's my opinion.

I'm not going to do that for this game because even if the graphics were good, the actual art style is just horrible. I can't imagine a game that could be in a more unlikeable style. This is just a personal call, some people might really get into the art style.

It's not even that it's "outdated" although I guess it is. I know I wouldn't have been interested in this game in 1998.

It's like the antithesis of Ico, a game with an art style and design I really admire.

I'm not saying that my opinion is right or wrong, just that it's right for me.

I was not really impressed with what I read untill I saw the trailer. That looks really cool! Seriously, the gfx look poor, but it does have a "charm" to it like Pixar movies do. It does not look super real, but it is sharp and smooth.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Anyone who plays SVC: Chaos or CvS: EO and yet rags on this game for having outdated graphics needs to seriously re-examine their position.

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SVC and CVS werent in development for six years.


(not that I'm bagging on galleon, it looks fine enough to me.)

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Originally Posted by Calvin

I'm not playing this game, but I'm happy that some people are and expecting to (and no doubt will) enjoy it.

So what does it matter to others if some people aren't going to be playing it? Just play your games and enjoy them, don't try to make yourself responsible for marketing them.

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I'm not saying that my opinion is right or wrong, just that it's right for me.

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Some advice for fitting in here (though you seem untainted, you should probably avoid TNL at all costs ;))

1) It isn't enough to know more people will play it, if you can't get everybody here to agree with you, your opinion is invalid. All opinions at TNL are invalid.

2) We all market the games we love around here. If nobody new plays them because of your impressions and stamp of approval, you have failed. See #1

3) If you have an opinion, which you must around these parts, you need to start stating it as FACT. Accepting that no opinion carries more weight than others is pussy talk and will not be tolerated. Yours is right, or you are weak.

That pretty much sums it up. Should we add this to the FAQ for the n00bs? :o

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Originally Posted by lithium

SVC and CVS werent in development for six years.

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That's an excellent point, but I just don't think it's fair to be able to look over games whose graphics have only subtly changed since '98 but have (generally) outstanding gameplay in those cases, yet not even give Galleon a chance.

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3) If you have an opinion, which you must around these parts, you need to start stating it as FACT. Accepting that no opinion carries more weight than others is pussy talk and will not be tolerated. Yours is right, or you are weak.

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Or, an attack on your opinion is an attack on YOU.

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Originally Posted by Master

Some advice for fitting in here (though you seem untainted, you should probably avoid TNL at all costs ;))

1) It isn't enough to know more people will play it, if you can't get everybody here to agree with you, your opinion is invalid. All opinions at TNL are invalid.

2) We all market the games we love around here. If nobody new plays them because of your impressions and stamp of approval, you have failed. See #1

3) If you have an opinion, which you must around these parts, you need to start stating it as FACT. Accepting that no opinion carries more weight than others is pussy talk and will not be tolerated. Yours is right, or you are weak.

That pretty much sums it up. Should we add this to the FAQ for the n00bs? :o

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These types of posts are great - you know, the ones where the arrogant veteran poster lists his thinly-veiled complaints with the forum as "guidelines for n00bs" on TNL. PaCrappa is fond of them.

In any case, you are listing these gripes yet you've been around since the beginning of GameGo!, and nothing has changed since then. It's the same basic community with the same basic attitudes. So:

01. Either you are used to it, and are just saying this to rant a little bit, in which case it is useless because you have to have had these complaints for years yet you still post.

02. You never realized that it's always been like this, at least since GG! started (which was the beginning for this community), and you just have, which makes you a complete idiot who just woke up from a coma of sorts.

Which one is it?

diffx, don't you ever get tired of flamebaiting?

What the hell do you think Master's post was?

Back on track, people!

*claps hands methodically*

Let's get a hand in! That helmet is not a chair!

[/Adam Carolla]

Yeah, so like I was saying, I'd rather play a great game that looks terrible than play a terrible game that looks great.

How's that, Sleeve? ;)

Even with interesting gameplay, this looks quite ugly :)

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I never expected such shallowness from TNL.

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When these developers decided that everything had to be 3D, they committed themselves to providing perfect eye candy every time. 3D gameplay is broken by definition, since not a single game has gotten the camera perfected. Thus, the visuals must make up for that flaw.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

01. Either you are used to it, and are just saying this to rant a little bit, in which case it is useless because you have to have had these complaints for years yet you still post.

02. You never realized that it's always been like this, at least since GG! started (which was the beginning for this community), and you just have, which makes you a complete idiot who just woke up from a coma of sorts.

Which one is it?

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Neither, it was:

03. A light-hearted joke to poke fun at the obvious way people tend to post. I'm not complaining, just having a laugh, at the boards as they have always been. Not every post is vindictive.

"Let's just stop degrading women."

Anyway, I'm still super psyched for this game. The camera in 3D games usually doesn't bother me in the least unless it is HORRIBLE, so I tend not to notice...

Maybe I missed it in here, but anyone know the release date?

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Originally Posted by Master

This used to be the realm of the jaded "2D games rule" fans, and now it is the home of the jaded "hollywood production values" crew. I'm not sure if that is better or worse.

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Different people talking. We've got both kinds of jaded here.

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Also Pong suffered from limitations imposed on the hardware.

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According to Diffx that doesn't mean anything, only the year it was released matters.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

When these developers decided that everything had to be 3D, they committed themselves to providing perfect eye candy every time. 3D gameplay is broken by definition, since not a single game has gotten the camera perfected. Thus, the visuals must make up for that flaw.

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What about 3D games on a 2D plane? Like Viewtiful Joe and Ikaruga?

None the less, I could not ask for much more with P.N. 03's camera system.

Pong wasn't ugly though, it was just primitive and limited.

This game uses horrible character design that makes it hard for you to play any sort of gameplay. I feel weird saying that, because gameplay usually makes the game, but this is a great example of how terrible, god awful design can spoil a good gaming experience. Nobody wants to direct these character through a story when they look so ridiculous.

Is the story a drama or a comedy? Probably drama since 99.99% of videogames are.

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What about 3D games on a 2D plane? Like Viewtiful Joe and Ikaruga?

None the less, I could not ask for much more with P.N. 03's camera system.

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Prince of Persia had a great camera as well. It just followed you around at a nice angle most of the time.

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Originally Posted by sleeveboy

Back on track, people!

*claps hands methodically*

Let's get a hand in! That helmet is not a chair!

[/Adam Carolla]

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Wasn't that just on Loveline a day or two ago?

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What about 3D games on a 2D plane? Like Viewtiful Joe and Ikaruga?

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Those would be 2D gameplay.

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Wasn't that just on Loveline a day or two ago?

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Oh, it's been a running gag for like the past two months.

I watched all the trailers for this at gametrailers, and I don't even get how people can be exited about the play. It doesn't look inovative, It looks like tomb raider but you can rock climb and hang under objects just like in mario 64/Sunshine. the combat looks like it's straight out of an mmorpg, and the level design seems horribly weak.

and before someone says something stupid about me comparing it to tomb raider because the guy who made it made tomb raider blah blah...

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Originally Posted by chespace

Toby Gard, creator of Tomb Raider and B.C. Racer, came by with Galleon today. Him and his team have finally finished the game after 6 long years.

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yes, I know.

I HOPE it plays like Tomb Raider(part 1 that is) and Mario 64. They are 2 of my favorite 3D games ever.

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Oh, it's been a running gag for like the past two months.

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At least he stopped talking like a DJ for more than two minutes at a time.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

the combat looks like it's straight out of an mmorpg

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You point and click and then walk off to make yourself a sandwich?

This game took 6 years to make? What the hell?

I just watched the trailer on Gametrailers... wow, what a piece of crap trailer they flung together. The actual game seems good though. The trailer made it look like Tomb Raider with more of an interactive environment gameplay focusing on hand to hand combat. I'm wary of this game and will wait to see the final scores before even considering a look.

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You point and click and then walk off to make yourself a sandwich?

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No, you tape down a keyboard button for weeks and come back to a buffed out/rich/level 99/dead character. Quite the experience from what I have read.

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Originally Posted by Tain

At least he stopped talking like a DJ for more than two minutes at a time.

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LOL! Ace Carolla! I'm so amazed he was able to get away with that shit as long as he did.

I seriously need to start a Loveline thread. Some of Carolla's stuff on that show is priceless.

When I compared it to an mmorpg I meant more in the sense of you hit a button and he does like one delayed move. It looks like the fighting isn't real time even though I think it is.

Prince of Persia was kind of like that. It wasn't super responsive but it worked very very well.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Prince of Persia was kind of like that. It wasn't super responsive but it worked very very well.

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But I mean you fealt like you had alot of controll of him, even when watching someone else play it looked like there was good control. The videos of galleons fighting look bland at best.

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Originally Posted by haohmaru

Yeah, so like I was saying, I'd rather play a great game that looks terrible than play a terrible game that looks great.

How's that, Sleeve? ;)

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Too bad it's not an either/or dilemma. As long as I'm dropping $50, I'll take a great game that looks great.

I just got my hands on the European release of this game.

After about an hour of play, I'm feeling compelled to continue. The graphics aren't really as bad as you'd think. The textures look like ass, and the people look really pointy, but as far as the first town, and a few of the other environments go, they have a solid design to them. I mean, they still suck, but not in the way I expected them to suck.

You don't actually control the character explicity, you just "guide" him. You point the camera in the direction you want to go, and you move in one of two modes. Safe mode is achieved when you press the stick lightly forward. In safe mode, you can't fall off of things. Unsafe mode is when you push the stick all the way, and you can get running at a pretty nice clip if you have enough running room.

Combat has timing based combos, and lots of special moves. There are various throws as well. For doing combos and the like, you are awarded combat points. The more combat points you achieve in a particular battle, the cooler the special moves you get.

It seems like a hybrid between a traditional point/click adventure game, and a more hands on Tomb Raider style game.

I'm probably doing a shitty job of describing it, but I really do think it's cool.