Umm. I'm not that familiar with Wolverine...Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
But yes.
Printable View
Umm. I'm not that familiar with Wolverine...Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
But yes.
I think because they were holding back in those fights. Gohan dosen't have the power to beat Cell, and Goku admitted that he could have trashed Cell if he wanted to but he wanted his kid to step up to the plate. Same with Majin Buu, Goku admits that he could have defeated him as SSJ 3 but that because he won't always be there to save earth, he wanted other people to step up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Remember, Goku only originally died because of his heart attack, he was stronger than all the androids, cell, and original Majin Buu. The time travel was a good gimmick to keep it going, it made alot of sense, even moreso if you've watched the History of Trunks (even though it's only a filler movie).
And in the Buu saga, Kid Buu DID destroy Earth and a few other planets I believe. Only reason that Cell didn't is because a) he was only interrested in becoming the strongest fighter and b) he probably didn't have the power to do it.
Not going by this ridiculous power levels, I think Cell is a bit under Frieza in terms of power, which is why Gohan and company were able to defeat him. Also remember that Vegeta distracted Cell enough for Gohan to take advantage, so technically they won by cheating.
I think that was Age of Apocalypse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
But Vegeta and Gohan became SS2, all of them trained in the Time Room (whatever it was called), and Trunks killed Freeza in a single hit, so it was shown in a variety of methods that all of them were unequivocally far stronger then they were in the Freeza saga. Even if Goku himself held back it wouldn't matter, especially with Gohan SS2 and Cell using all of their power in a single ki battle that was tearing up an amazingly small portion of the planet considering the energy expended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
But he killed him anyway, and using an attack that no one (besides King Kai) knew. :pQuote:
Same with Majin Buu, Goku admits that he could have defeated him as SSJ 3 but that because he won't always be there to save earth, he wanted other people to step up.
It would make sense if they had written the whole thing as the power levels being like that but like I pointed out earlier it was demonstrated that they were all more powerful. So yes, Cell could easily destroy the planet and had to have been stronger then Freeza (If Trunks is stronger then a more powerful Freeza and Cell is stronger then Trunks, then Cell has to be stronger then Freeza).Quote:
And in the Buu saga, Kid Buu DID destroy Earth and a few other planets I believe. Only reason that Cell didn't is because a) he was only interrested in becoming the strongest fighter and b) he probably didn't have the power to do it.
Not going by this ridiculous power levels, I think Cell is a bit under Frieza in terms of power, which is why Gohan and company were able to defeat him.
That just means Gohan wasn't as strong as Cell.Quote:
Also remember that Vegeta distracted Cell enough for Gohan to take advantage, so technically they won by cheating.
Iunno... the androids don't really HAVE power levels, do they? They more absorb energy than anything, which is why these fighters that just exude chi from every pore had trouble fighting them.
Jebus!
This thread is making me want to go back and reread DBZ, although I'd have to read DB first... jebus.
Hyperbolic Time Chamber or some such nonsense. And the Trunks that killed Frieza, didn't he go BACK in time and then a DIFFERENT Trunks showed up, with the long hair? I seem to remember a much weaker Trunks coming back then the one that initially showed up. You also got to remember the part of the planet there were tearing up was far away from any sort of civilization, so it didn't matter. And once they were using all their power, you gotta remember how beat up and bruised they were, focusing all the rest of their ki into that one attack, neither one was at 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Well, he killed Kid Buu, I meant the original fat Majin Buu in my first post. Kid Buu only came up because everyone else fucked up so bad Goku had to eventually clean up their mess, as usual.Quote:
.But he killed him anyway, and using an attack that no one (besides King Kai) knew. :p
When it comes to the dubs, they put in alot of shit that was never mentioned in the original japanese version. I think with Cell killing Trunks, Cell got a shot off right through Trunks heart that wasn't guarded, avoided, and was a completely open cheap shot. I think if Trunks blocked that, he would have been ok. And like I said earlier, I think the Trunks that killed Frieza vs the Trunks that gets killed by Cell are from different time periods, but it's been awhile.Quote:
It would make sense if they had written the whole thing as the power levels being like that but like I pointed out earlier it was demonstrated that they were all more powerful. So yes, Cell could easily destroy the planet and had to have been stronger then Freeza (If Trunks is stronger then a more powerful Freeza and Cell is stronger then Trunks, then Cell has to be stronger then Freeza).
Like I said earlier, Gohan wasn't at 100%, neither was Cell. Gohan's kamehameha was also one handed, as well.Quote:
That just means Gohan wasn't as strong as Cell.
dammit.
The Androids have power levels since that's just a way to measure how strong a person or whatever is, but they can recharge their strength at any time because of their chi absorbtion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
The long hair was from the training in the Hyperbolic (his hair grew because he was part human, they were in there for a year). IIRC he was going to leave but didn't when they found the second time machine, although I don't really remember since it's been a long time since I've read/watched that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
It doesn't matter that they were far away from other people, I meant that the land mass surrounding them wasn't taking much of a beating from that output.Quote:
You also got to remember the part of the planet there were tearing up was far away from any sort of civilization, so it didn't matter.
Arguable.Quote:
And once they were using all their power, you gotta remember how beat up and bruised they were, focusing all the rest of their ki into that one attack, neither one was at 100%.
Okay, nevermind then.Quote:
Well, he killed Kid Buu, I meant the original fat Majin Buu in my first post. Kid Buu only came up because everyone else fucked up so bad Goku had to eventually clean up their mess, as usual.
I never found the Cell Games to be all that interesting so I don't fully recall. I watched them when first aired and completely skipped them when I sat down and watched all of DBZ/GT in a row over the course a week around a year ago. I have been skimming them as they show up in Shounen Jump but Cell's not even Perfect yet in that release.Quote:
When it comes to the dubs, they put in alot of shit that was never mentioned in the original japanese version. I think with Cell killing Trunks, Cell got a shot off right through Trunks heart that wasn't guarded, avoided, and was a completely open cheap shot. I think if Trunks blocked that, he would have been ok. And like I said earlier, I think the Trunks that killed Frieza vs the Trunks that gets killed by Cell are from different time periods, but it's been awhile.
It was probably just a really focused blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
IIRC correctly, the planet was exploding ONLY because Frieza threw a huge fireball type deal straight into the center of Namek, thus prompting everything to start erupting WHILE Goku and Frieza were fighting.
Also they probably don't blow up alot during the Cell Games because weren't they not allowed to leave the arena or something such as that?
I'll admit though that pretty much all of the Buu saga was completely stupid, he just seemed like Cell with a slightly different gimmick. While Cell learned moves through absorbing and watching them, Buu learned moves through absorption. Both villains had to absorb to get stronger, however.
They had way too many similarties, I was prettty dis-sastisfied with that arc.
This thread needs more X-Men talk.