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What do you feel has been the best game remake this era? So far I'm most impressed with Metroid: Zero Mission. It retains what was great about the original and adds in a bunch of new stuff. Resident Evil on GC is also excellent but I think Metroid was more dated and in more need of a remake.
I'm hoping those D3 Sega Ages games are good but it sounds like they aren't that impressive from the impressions I have read.
REmake.
I'd probably say MGS: Twin Snakes.
Hmm, it's a really tough choice between MGS Twin Snakes and Resident Evil.
I say Resident evil purely for the extra stuff as well as re-arranging things and adding cool manuevers like the zombie repel stuff(daggers/flash grenades).
I was actually playing it a couple of nights ago, the graphics still look insanely beautiful and I love that damn game. MGS: TS had some awesome cinemas and looked a ton better but the more sophisticated A.I. kind of made it more tougher than I imagined ao I'd put that as a negative so far but otherwise it's definitely an awesome remake.
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funny, first thing i thought of when i saw this thread was Metroid zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
I'd have to say REmake, but uh... Well, to be honest I wasn't around with games for the originals. I usually play the originals after giving the remakes a shot.
I have to say the best remake has to be REmake, only because it's so far ahead of the original in so many ways. RE's few jump scares had become so dull, the voice acting and environments seemed to only grow cheesier with time... The remake totally recreated the experience from the ground up, creating something superior in absolutely every way to the original.
Which is why the rest of those shitty RE GC ports make me so mad.
Anyway, yeah, I'd say it's the best, but my favorite is probably the Twin Snakes. My love for MGS1 is probably borderline ridiculous, and I loved MGS2's gameplay, despite its crazy-ass plot. I can remember a friend of mine plowing through MGS2 in the days after it came out, we had a conversation about how much we'd love to play MGS1 with MGS2's gameplay and graphics. At that point we could have never imagined it was actually going to happen, right?
Furthermore, the fact that I got my name on a set of dog tags in the remake of one of my favorite, if not my absolute favorite game ever... I can't help but love it, even if it is lacking in new special features, even if the new music isn't always as good as the original... I think it was more than worth the price of admission for any MG fan, and anyone who hasn't been exposed to MGS owes it to themselves to play it.
Zero Mission was also an awesome game, but the length of the game really made me frown. However, the final parts of the game were totally unexpected for me, and very, very cool.
However...
The final boss was a steaming load of crap that I never expected to end the game, and I still hold this against it. Grr. At that point I kind of wished it ended with Mother Brain.
If it counts (and I think it should), I vote for Tempest 2000.
Ninja Gaiden.
Not a remake moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
This brings up an interesting point as to exactly what qualifies as a remake. Games like Resident Evil and MGS: Twin Snakes are pretty much 95%+ faithful to the original, and Metroid: Zero Mission is heavily-inspired-but-still-change-enough from original NES Metroid. I'd say all three definitely qualify as remakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
However, Ninja Gaiden takes some game concepts and the main character from the original, but everything else is so completely and radically changed it could and should probably be considered an entirely new thing.
I think I'll go with Resident Evil GC as my choice, my jaw just dropped the first time I played the thing a couple years ago, at the time it just looked so much better and so much more incredible than anything else out there, so very radically different from the original which had come out only six years prior. It was like comparing Atari 2600 to Super NES, the gap seemed that improbably huge for a game platform separated by only one generation from the one the original was released on :o
Suck my ass, slugger. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Awesome.
A remake is a game that is just that, a remake of a previous game. Ninja Gaiden is an all new game in a series (although it's even arguable that it's part of the series). Do you call Contra Shattered Soldier a remake? No. Did you call Ninja Gaiden 2 a remake? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok the Red
So what exactly is so fucking hard about the concept of a remake?
I wanted to put zero mission at the top, but I'll still have preference with super over the original. ;)
Resident evil on the other hand...wow.
I'm waiting for PS1 to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
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I know, bbobb, I was just clarifying things with Captain Veggie, chill out bro :sonic:Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
This gets my vote as well. 3 modes of play, a godly soundtrack, and some of the most intense arcade action in the last ten years puts this at the top of my list.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuryFox
I'd have to go wtih Resident Evil. It's one of the few games this generation that I've actually played all the way through like 5 or 6 times. Usually after I beat a game, I don't go back to it for a while. I played Resident Evil all the way through back to back to back.
I'll have to go with Twin Snakes. Though REmake was certainly commendable on technical merit alone, it still isn't, nor originally was, as good as MGS, imo. MGS has aged far better as well, and I don't mean graphically, but specifically control-wise and in just overall design. REmake still suffers from horrible control and item management, and though the puzzles are generally well thought-out, the task you're actually accomplishing is almost always completely idiotic, and making the entire game revolve around going from one of these tasks to the next can get very tedious.
That said, I still haven't gotten to Zero Mission, though I'm sure that will be very good as well.
nobody for skies of arcadia gc? sheesh, its the only remake that i felt addedenough things to consider actually buying. In relaity i consider the remake to be the most dastardly thing foisted on gamers since monthly fees in mmos. remakes take most of a good game for a previous generation(or dc, which was kind of a genreation unto itsself) and charges you to play again for about the same price, that stinks,particularly when you think that most remakes are lazy, and in this i am directly referring to the capcom re remakes for the gc. if any remake should be made the game either needs to be so rare that original copies can no longer be found, have significant aditions to justify the price, or a 20 dollar price tag, as an admission that they are just ports to a more powerful system that do nothing to justify the cost or new, more powerful environment, and not actual new games in themselves.
It wasn't a remake, it was a port with a couple additions. There's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
define the difference then, since that describes every single remake i have seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
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Originally Posted by Grave
REmake is possibly my favorite game of all time. The fact that they changed around so much stuff really messed with your head too (if you were a veteran of the original).
Twin Snakes is the first game in months (since BG&E) that I got sucked into, so it gets my vote.
Man you just left yourself wide open for that. Prepare to be owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
I think I'll vote for Resident Evil as well... although the other choices were good ones as well. Zero Mission might be a better remake though, that was excellent.
And Twin Snakes? Great fun but not enough was changed for me... it felt too much like the old one, mostly due to its layout and zero plot changes. Not that it needed those things, but still...
I hesitate to call Zero Mission a remake. 97% New map. New controlls. New moves. New weapons. It was way too original.
Most remakes never live up to the original. The SNES Mario All Stars game came sooooo close to being the equals of the 8 bit originals with more color and more modern sound....but they're off just enough that I'd rather play on my NES.
I'll have to go with REmake by default. If I considered Zero mission a remake I'd go with that, but I don't.
A port is the exact same code, with the exact same graphics, the exact gameplay, and the exact same music. When the Spiderman movie videogame was released on all three systems, even though the Xbox version had an extra level it was still a port.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
REmake: Complete graphics overhaul, new areas, new gameplay touches, obviously not the original code in the slightest.
MGS:TS: Complete graphics overhaul, tougher AI, complete new set of moves, touched up and rerecorded script, new music, obviously not the original code in the slightest.
Metroid Zero Mission: Complete graphics overhaul, new music, new areas, altered existing areas, new versions of bosses, altered small things about the gameplay, obviously not the original code in the slightest.
Notice how all the remakes have all or some of totally new graphics, new gameplay, new music, and new areas, only keeping the underlying ideas, story, characters, and layout the same. Skies of Arcadia on GC had the same graphics, the same gameplay, the same music, the same areas, and merely added a couple touches here and there while still being obviously the original code in every way.
Note: By original code I'm referring to that in a general sense, I realize changes have to be made in order for it to run on other systems.
I haven't been able to play Twin Snakes or Zero Mission so I won't say anything about them (although I'm sure I'll love 'em).
REmake gets my vote for the best. Even after I'd played the original about a dozen times I wanted to go back a replay this a few more times. They changed and added just enough to make it basically the same and a totally new experience all in one.
Honorable mentions go to:
Double Dragon (gba) - I love all the new moves they added in and it looks better than the original without getting too crazy *coughgoldenaxecough*
Dragon Warrior 3 (gbc) - The story was retranslated to make more sense and they added in a few cool little things to keep it interesting,.
In the history of existance, no one has said anything as stupid as that. Not the fags. Not the queers. Not the homos. Not even Jeremy.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
Seriosuly, STFU.
Holy shit that was funny :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Own3d.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Remake or MGSTTS.
gg.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
I would have said something, but Opaque said it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Metal Gear Solid was on the PS. It was completely remade by Silicon Knights as MGS:TTS on the GameCube. Resident Evil was remade by Capcom for the GameCube.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
Sega took an existing game, Skies of Arcadia, modified a few things and then ported it to the GameCube.
This is a good call... I was really impressed with this version of the game. Not sure it's a remake technically, but it was good whatever you want to consider it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeno G
As has been pointed out before, those are ports you hate, not remakes. And they're for the benefit of those who never owned the system the original games were for... judging by sales, quite a few people with GBAs never had an SNES, and no one ever but us had a Dreamcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
If you can't see and feel the difference from RE to REmake, from MGS to TS, and from Metroid to Zero Mission (and think they're well worth the money (which they are)), then die.
This game drilled me with questions, then called me a rebellious attention whore. Fuck it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeno G
It IS a great remake, though.
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Originally Posted by Opaque
What he said. With all due respect, of course. :)
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Official warning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
I think both Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid are definately great remakes, but I would like to add Dragon Quest V as being the most drastic in terms of complete facelifts I've seen so far.
http://dragonquest.square-enix.co.jp/
:lol: It called me an uncaring hippie (or whatever is close to that) but by the end of the game I was something like a "Heroic Brawler", I love how reading different books changes your personality in that version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
I'd have to go with Resident Evil Remake and a close second would be Super Mario All Stars. I guess I'm in the minority here, as I thought the Twin Snakes was only a mediocre remake. I still prefer the original. Yeah, many graphics were nice and shiny now, but the cut scenes to me were TOO over the top and ridiculous in some, I didn't like the redone music, and some of the new spoken dialogue just didnt fit right to me. Oh well...whatever I guess...
EDIT: I also forgot to mention the Lunar remakes!! Both were very good, although the originals are still very good today and in mnay ways still out do the remakes..
This era: REmake
All-time: Super Mario Bros. All-Stars
Yeah, I definitely got to go with Resident Evil here. I love the series, but the original was always my favorite, mainly for the difficulty balance (playing as Chris, it actually felt like a survival game, with ammo being so scarce), and the remake hit all the right notes with me. The only thing I missed was the incredibly goofy dialogue from the original. "Dont open that door!" always brought a smile to my face.
I'm waiting on River City Ransom EX myself. :)
It was a good remake, but a lot of the new additions were taken from it's old NES pseudo-sequel(Kunio's Jidaigeki,which still has a bit more to it than RCR-EX with all the secret shops and such) so I wouldn't consider it near the best.
fucking thank you. How people could forget these I have no idea. Though they lacked the perfect game flow the orginals had, they were damn good games, and even better if you didn't play the orginals (99% of north america) to compare them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSnake
I really liked the remake of Lunar 1 but I just couldn't get into the Lunar 2 remake.
It's weird considering that for the longest time I considered Lunar 2 to be one of my all time favourite RPGs. I mean I like the fact that they changed got rid of the stupid magic upgrade and save system, but I wasn't a fan of the the new music (I know it's essentially the same music as before but for some reason it just didn't sound as good as the Sega CD version), bad looking CG cut scenes, and one change there was one change they made to the story towards the end that for some reason really bugged me.
For favourite remake (of the last couple years) I'm gonna have to go with Castlevania Chronicles
That was a remake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
I would say it fits the bill by pretty much any accepted definition, yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by DjRocca
All-Stars counts as a remake I think. Some of the games in All-Stars were more re-done than others. SMB1 and SMB2(Jp) were completely redone(and also completely ruined gameplay-wise).
why do you say that?
i haven't really played the all-stars remakes, so i don't know.
There's this annoying delay when you hit bricks that interrupts the flow of the games. It ruins them for me. The graphics are nice though.
I made it through all of SMB and SMB: The Lost Levels with no problem back when I got it on the SNES. I had no real beef with it.
And yes, they are remakes.
For some reason, the CD-based Snatchers popped into my head, and I've barely played the originals.
And I haven't played Twin Snakes, Zero Mission, or REmake, and I can't think of anything else.
So if I'm saying anything, I'm saying that.