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I agree. BD is overrated just for being a Naomi/DC-only obscure title. Audio-visually, the game is poorly designed. Very. The "border down" system is unnecessary. Otherwise, I like how it plays. RT Final is a bit prettier, but a boring tragicomedy compared with the first games in the series. We need 2D again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapermc
Should amend it to say 'best hori shooter to come to a console'Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgar
I've never played Progear because I haven't seen a decent arcade in ages.
...yet you loved Sonic Heroes. :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapermc
Ok, just to clear a few things up. This comment:
Is not ment to be "so 2001" in its context. I am saying that alot of its popularity can be atributed to it being available for "free" on the net. I promise that if this game were to cost $ half the people who praise it paid money then they would not have ever played. It is like the newest mame release being hot shite for a month. This was also a general comment about the reciving of the game, not a direct comment.Quote:
Yes there are many innovations in Border Down, but if it were not wrapped up in an old deathbed system (DC) most people would not have bought it (if most people have bought it at all). It was easy access, trivial, and new.
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Yes, it is destruction, but they are in direct relation, if you don't shoot anything, no points. And I feel differently about that you can and not just choose to ignore these. The game is built around this design and it is hence required of you to do these things to make it far. As far a the whole [MechDeaus] "don't die" theory, yes I know that this is the point.Quote:
Again fail to see the rigid requirements you mention, wow the game tracks break hits, remaining time on boss counter, and what border you choose, and again these can easily be ignored if you want to just play the game. And unless I'm really missing something, the Break laser is feed by destruction not points.
And Yes, RTF has different levels, but they remain constant from start to finish and you are the one making the decisions which result in what level you're in. The pace is not broken if you make a mistake by thrusting you into a completly new level you may/maynot be familiar with, it gives you a chance to re-evaluate your mistake.
Ahh, but what Sonic are you comparing these too. I still think most of the 2D sonics are better. The Gameplay was genious and very fresh. The music was sub-par, but still a head above some, and leaps and bounds beyond BD. The color scheme in Sonic was excellent and the design was great. I still stand by my [b[]OPINION[/b]. If you read my review I only gave it a 7 or 7.5 or something, not a 9 or 10.Quote:
...yet you loved Sonic Heroes.
Look I said it before, I got defensive, get over it. I hate arguing opinions because mine is not yours and yours is not mine. If it is not fun don't play it. I just don't like all the flack that R-Type Final has gotten. Also, for one of the most rigid gimick systems ever, play Radiant Silvergun, more strict than Ikaruga and Psyaviar. (Also I will not argue this, but Ikaruga is much less strict than Border Down if you ignore score in both cases).
EDIT: I cannot spell or edit today. blah
Your break laser fills even when not shooting anything (allbeit slowly) and if you're not shooting something what's the point of playing a shooter? The game is not built around the scoring mechanic at all. Achieving the score goal in a level allows you to border up or down and further, to get different versions of the final level, you can still play the game as a regular shooter there is no strict rules in place. The game simply offers you more for being a good player, like Psyvariar, hell if I'm watching the DVD correct you have to master two loops of Dodonpachi Dajiou to see the final boss of that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapermc
Agreed Radiant is strict but Border Down is more fun than Ikaruga as a straight shooter, I have to play the game on hard mode to get any challenge out of Ikaruga's first three stages.Quote:
Also, for one of the most rigid gimick systems ever, play Radiant Silvergun, more strict than Ikaruga and Psyaviar. (Also I will not argue this, but Ikaruga is much less strict than Border Down if you ignore score in both cases).
There were a lot of voiced (which usually means many more unvoiced) comments about not even knowing how they triggered the different stages, thus leading to one of a number of a possibilities that they may or may not be playing their next time through. How did they get around that? They discussed and learned how to trigger the stages and then how to beat each alternate configuration.Quote:
And Yes, RTF has different levels, but they remain constant from start to finish and you are the one making the decisions which result in what level you're in. The pace is not broken if you make a mistake by thrusting you into a completly new level you may/maynot be familiar with, it gives you a chance to re-evaluate your mistake.
The same would hold true for BD. Of course you're not to know the alternates right away, you're going to have to take some time to learn how to play them. At least it was more obvious in what caused the change then RTF was and there's a direct level of control instead of it being seperated by play sessions. Is it better to have to learn different setups on the fly or to simply not why the stages occasionally change? I know I probably wouldn't have guessed at RTF's stage 2 being boss-based for a long time and would've been even more puzzled with each subsequent change.
Same problem, two different methods of creating it.