I've read that there could be up to 3000 killed, more on CNN
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I've read that there could be up to 3000 killed, more on CNN
Wow...that's quite a few people. Awful news.Quote:
Originally Posted by J2d
If they can't keep their trains from exploding it's no wonder they're so hyped on nuclear bombs.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Wow, way to be an asshole. We're talking civilians here, not some stupid political agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
That makes no sense at all, try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
JM
That doesn't sound too good, depending on how much oil was lost (I'm guessing not TOO much) it would be a good reason for Kim Jong to start a war. Sounds like something out of a Clancy novel...
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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz
If you let an asshole lead without trying to change it then you're just as bad as the fuckhead in power.
Yeah, you know just what it is like to invoke change in a dictatorship while you are dirt poor & under millitary rule. I'm sure that if the police came up to you while you were demonstrating & shoved a rifle in your face, you would just keep on because it is the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
JM
It's sad when you can't take the time and feel sorry for human lifes lost in an accident and instead try to take cheapshots at people that for decades have been fighting for their life, you have no idea what those people have been through. And furthermore, you live in Canada for fucks sake, have you been ruled by a tyrant? My guess is that you would pledge allegiance to Kim dong song the 34th and betray your neighbour for three grams of rice if you had the misfortune of being in their situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
That's an retarded viewpoint, and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking it. It also shows that you absolutely know shit about North Korea. Kim Jong Il rules at the barrel of a gun while depriving North Koreans of all basic rights, including the right to own a gun. So how can you fight the world's fourth-largest army without guns? Plus the propaganda campaign in North Korea has been incredibly effective, starting from Kim Il Song's "Juche" ideology of North Korean self-rule which gives North Koreans the idea that they should be in charge of their own destiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
Essentially, Song Il successfully breeded loyalty in his citizenry and even today this loyalty remains thanks to Juche. But the starvation and military power that Kim holds also keeps the populace in check.
But wait, isn't it the enlightened left that's supposed to know more about the world at large, not the cowboy right? LOL.
Of course, though, if another country, say, the USA, goes in and removes said fuckhead then that's bad, right? It makes the USA worse than the fuckhead in power, huh?
The US removed Saddam "because" he was such an evil dictator asshole.
Iraq under Saddam's rule was like Sweden compared to North Korea under Kim Jong Il. The whole country is a train wreck.
That's some extreme population control they got there.
Pretty sad with all those people at once. :cry:
I don't remember calling myself enlightened nor calling you a cowboy. I also don't remmber Saddam threating the world with nuclear weapons, or if he did, I don't remember you FINDING any, this man has publicly admitted to them, and your country basically told him to hush up cause you're headed to Iraq right now. If the US went after NK no one in their right mind would have an issue with it because they;re clearly wanting to fuck around. Saddam had what... 3 airfields and a rag tag group of followers?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
you've convinced me. america is responsible for the train wreck. another reason to hate george bush!
I was thinking if Saddam just let the US in without fighting, this would've worked against Bush because he'd have to prove that Iraq was holding WMDs. See this way it would have backfired and Bush would have no choice but to pull out and continue with Bin Ladin like he was supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
You're making no sense. If you want to bitch unintelligibly, take it to fight club. This is about a train accident in North Korea, and if you can't find it in you to even comment on the situation at hand, don't bother posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
Why are you talking about Iraq? I didnt mention Iraq. I was talking about North Korea... while also pointing out why your ideas of "if THEY dont like him and THEY dont get rid of him its THEIR problem" are cruel, barbaric, and idiotic to the extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
It is exactly that whole "self-rule is always best" viewpoint which allows horrible dictators like Kim Jong Il to remain in charge.
I wouldn't agree with that all the way. If you spoke against the government in either country chances are you'd end up dead. Saddam didn't have as much power as Kim but he still held the same idealogy it maintaining power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenshin
Gee DiffX, I wonder what you were referencing here. I'm not going to fall into your bullshit of saying I brought up Iraq, I was responding to this comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
01. Country mistreats citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbits
02. Enlightened people say that this is terrible and "human rights abuses need to end".
03. But they wont be willing to take any action against the responsible parties because "the citizens have the right to self-rule" and "if they cant remove that fuckhead from power it's their problem".
04. If anyone goes in to remove said fuckhead then they're the bad guy because "the citizens didn't want it".
That's what I was talking about. The fact that the same people who trumpet the idea of an "international community" of countries and governments seemingly ignores gross human rights abuses against citizens because of the country's "right to self-rule". It's a glaring, awful contradiction, a stunningly barbaric hypocrisy which undermines everything those people say.
You would be wise to re-assess your viewpoints if you truly believe the type of stuff you said in this thread.
Saddam was somewhat progressive, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Women in Iraq, under his rule, were allowed to get a full university-level education. In most middle-eastern countries women aren't even allowed to go past Grade 5, or something like that.
But don't get me wrong, he was still a dick.
The key difference to the contradiction, though, is why a country steps in on another in the first place. It would be really nice if the US went to Iraq solely for the citizen's benefit, but it's very true that we had much to gain from the conflict, material and otherwise. Would we have stepped in otherwise? Who knows. But if the stunning lack of effort to aid many of the ailing African nations is any indication, the answer is most likely no.
It's not a moral observation, merely an explanation. All too often many people confuse the agenda put forth by themselves as humanitarians and the larger political agenda that an organized body like a government works toward.
That's all I'm interested in saying. This is a tragedy, though. A lot of people died needlessly.
ViciousJazz the USA sends an awful lot of money to Africa, and most of it gets gobbled up my warlords anyway. The reviled GWB announced an AIDs plan not too long ago in fact for Africa that goes far beyond anything Clinton, Bush, or Reagan ever proposed.
saw this on the news. Really heavy shit. Apparently, It may have been an assasination attempt, as Kim Jong Il was on that line only 9 hours before it.
Gibbits: you obviously don't know anything about the topic at hand or anything so shut the fuck up.
Jeez, those casualty numbers are eerily close to those of 9/11, an extra prayer goes out tonight to those poor people :(
What do you expect?
Someone asked a General in the DPRNC about the famine that goes on, his reply?
"We only need a million fed soldiers anyways."
Though, I'm all for going in with SF guys and blowing up the Pueblo.
According to the CNN link:Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
If true, that would be a damn poor assassination attempt since it sounds while he's travelling it's insured there aren't any other trains on track.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN
Yeah, what the hell was up your comments in here?Quote:
Gibbits: you obviously don't know anything about the topic at hand or anything so shut the fuck up.
Geez, do we really need to start this bs now? Wait aleast a couple of weeks before you bitch about this in connection with the US.
Heh. Denizens of le Ivory Tower imagine the world as they believe it ought to be, not as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
And NK's brainwashing is the most effective ever. When Kim's dad died tens of thousands gathered in the massive plazas and wept, not at gunpoint, at his passing. A propaganda film at the time had an actor wailing, "Great Leader, is it true? Are you leaving w/o us?" One could make a snide comment about how death is the only escape from the 'Republic'. Unfortunately your avg NK citizen has no contact w/the outside world, though, unlike ppl in the Ivory Tower, it is through no choice of his own.
A tragedy to be sure, but people die everyday. I find no point in pretending like I care about the loss of thousands of human lives that I never knew.
Sounds cold, but millions die in Africa every year from a myriad of causes that afflict that continent and no one gives a damn.
*shrugs*
The dead need no prayer, they have left this world. Pray instead for those who must starve and live in poverty to keep a madman in power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok the Red