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Originally Posted by DjRocca
Anyway, anyone pick this up yet? I'd like to know if Best Buy will have it on shelves today (so I can get my R zone on) or if I should head over to EB at lunch.
The EB website says in stock 8a.m. today, but the store availability search is coming up negative.
I loved MP, I really dont know why I'm not excited at all for this game. I think Halo 2 and HL2 fill my FPS quota for the rest of the year. Let me know how it is.
Will do.
Just wanted to say that with Halo 2's unsatisfactory SP, and HL2 on postponement for me, MP2 is going to fill that single-player FPS/adventure game hole I'm experiencing. That is, was experiencing until I popped Riddick in for the first time yesterday. But MPrime 2 is differently paced (iff it's like 1), and probably won't leave my GC all day.
I totally forgot about this till I seen the commercial last night. From the clips they used it looks great.
Post up a mini review when you get it...
I just remembered now to check an industry review. Gamespot gave it a 9.1, .1 behind hl2, and .6 behind original prime. Reading the http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/metroidprime2/review.html]article[/URL] now.
So far, from everywhere, it seems that Retro has fallen into the same Nintendo trap as all of its other beloved series (save mario sunshine, which wasn't that hot) - Make GREAT GAMES but don't fix what isn't broken. In other words, they justQuote:
Originally Posted by Gamespot
But alas, it's just another Metroid game, so if you're sick of it, it's not for you. It's only the second installment in this form though, so I don't see how you could be sick of it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamespot
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Originally Posted by Frogacuda
pffffff.....puleeeeeeeeeeeeeez!
and btw, what does "idbtn" stand for?
I *don't* believe this news
You expected more of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
Everyone I talked to could tell from the screens alone that this was just "more of the same". It had the same basic premise, same graphics, same gameplay, they just added the gimmick (light and dark) which Nintendo has done with ALL of it's sequels on the Gamecube.
Like I said, Nintendo just had Retro slap together a new Prime so the system had SOMETHING major for the holiday season. It's just a new coat of paint on the same old house.
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Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Seriously, he can barely post in the correct forums, let alone hack somebody's account.Quote:
Originally Posted by marwan
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Yet if you read the review the light/dark premise is done very well, and the puzzles/gameplay have been elaborated and bettered now that retro did not have to focus on creating a game from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Same graphics= the new one apparently looks better.
Well, technically, it's a new house with a a new coat of paint, but a similar house. They're both 2 story Victorians, but of course both are very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
And it doesn't seem to be slapped together, rather another finely crafted Metroid adventure that took a little while to come out. You can't stop sequels. You might as well say that Microsoft had Bungie slap together another Halo, because that single player experience was balls-awful. Same goes for Vice City.
2 questions:
What would you rather have had from another game in this series?
I can't figure you out. Are you a Nintendo hater, a me hater, a sequel hater, or just generally a giant, belligerent dildo?
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Originally Posted by Mzo
sorry bitch, this aint remnant!
LOL!
Yea, and I don't like Halo 2 for the same reason you just described, that the SP is slapped together and generally not good, and the MP is nothing special (at least to me, I can find the same thing on PC).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
You want to know how a sequel should be done, look at Half Life 2. Or, for that matter, San Andreas. This game just does little to excite me, as have most Nintendo games this generation, even though I've played and owned every one of their major releases.
Maybe if MP 2 had more actual features, didn't look the same as the last game, and didn't revolve the whole game around a gimmick, I'd be excited. Every Metroid sequel did alot to improve upon the previous games, but this just looks like Metroid Prime 1.5. Like I said, it seems Nintendo is desperate for anything this holiday season, and if this is what they can offer against true sequels like Half Life 2 and San Andreas, then wow.
Maybe it'll play nice, maybe it'll be a decent game, but I'll never shake the feeling that it will feel just like the same damn thing Nintendo already brought out, but just used their infamous gimmick move instead of making a sequel that had REAL improvements in the gameplay.
And yea, your little comment at the end was a little immature, and I don't remember where I ever insulted you. I just insulted your little "me too" game. Try and act a little bit more mature next time. I've listed all my reasons for not liking the game, and you go ahead and call me a dildo? Good job there ace.
I'm guessing he would have rather had something new and innovative, rather than "Metroid Prime + New Gimmick".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
And I'm guessing he's a pragmatist, and you're an apologist. Roufuss' post was merely questioning why you felt the need to point out what has been obvious all along: MP2 is a formulaic sequel.
EDIT: Dammit, outresponded! But I was right, tho.
Yeah, but at least the house kicked ass to begin with. I don't mind revisiting that house every once in a while when it gets remodeled a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Thank you, at least someone understands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
Neither would I, but when there's such better houses to visit for the first time on the same block, I'm not going to go back to the old house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
I'm sorry I called you a giant dildo. I'm feeling down from all the Nintendo hate. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, but I'm sick of specific Nintendo hate when people are dropping their pants over all the new sequels that are slightly updated versions of their older incarnations. (Also I suppose I don't like to be told to STFU)
Now I'll exclude HL2 even though I haven't played it because of the brand-new engine, but it is not essentially that different from HL1 in terms of presentation (storytelling) and gameplay. (run n gun/suspense FPS) GTA:SA is also at its core the same game, but incredibly expanded. The sequel list goes on and on and they're all basically the same game as their predecessors. Even Doom 3 is the same game, only the technology has jumped so far it managed to do a few new things.
I thought MP was about as tight as it could get, and the new game has made changes - different guns, different world/enemies, updated graphcis. (as updated as it can get I'm assuming on the GC) It also added the screw attack, and of course the light-dark premise, which may/may not feel gimmicky to me after I play it. I can't judge it yet, but I'll tell you how I feel about it. I just don't understand what else you could want from a Metroid game. They're specifically trying to keep it within the Metroid canon. And every Metroid game has been a formulaic sequel.
I really don't see what kind of innovation is allowed for within a metroid sequel, and that goes to both Shadow Not Shade and Roufuss. It's not like you'd take a GTA game and turn it into a Battlefield game. All the metroid games have been formulaic sequels, and I was under no illusions about this one, I just posted it because...well it's general information about the game.
Depending on the dark/light premise, it might not be as formulaic as you think, either.
But I mean at the end of the day, if you don't want more Metroid Prime, that's your opinion. I said from the first thatSo yeah, sorry about the dildo thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
Have you not played Doom 3? Doom 2 to Doom 3 is a radically different game, not only in graphics, but in gameplay as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
And Half Life 2's gameplay is ALOT different from Half Life 1, mainly due to all the physics involved.
I did exclude HL2 because it is radically different due to the new engine. (The new physics-based source engine)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
And yeah, I played Doom 3 start to finish, (on a friend's pc) and I couldn't believe how much it felt like Doom 2. Without the vastly vastly updated graphics, which is only the product of the long time between the releases (and thus newer technology becoming available) I'd say it was almost the same game gameplay-wise, plus a soulcube. It's the same pick up items/imps come at you/shotgun them gameplay.
The biggest advancement in Doom 3 was the story/atmosphere. Picking up PDA's, scientists and NPC's talking, and of course the lighting effects were huge advances, and a product of being able to use new technology.
Unfortunately for Metroid, we'll have to wait for some new hardware to see leaps of that magnitude, though currently I find the scanning method of revealing contextual story at your own pace to be great.
So I'm not saying it's the next coming of christ, (that seems to be HL2,) but I'm hot diggity damn excited to be getting another high-quality Metroid adventure.
Shit I like you Roufuss, sorry for the stupidity. I'm not an apologist by nature. I guess I should've taken my own warning:I hate feeling like Sl1p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
At least give it a chance and don't give in to pessimism.
Uhhh, Doom 2 > Doom 3.
Doom 3 was never hectic enough to be a good Doom game or smart enough to be a good modern FPS.
I feel the exact same way. I blame the fact that after the first one, its really hard to improve visually. Save the suit that shines alot more then it did before and the light/dark premise, there's not that much that keeps us interested. It's still a Prime (haha, pun) game for the holiday season. I just dont feel like playing it now, mostly due to it looking all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
I kind of agree, though some of the cinematic sequences were "neat." And that's all it has on Doom 2, cinematic style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
I'm more excited about HL2 you know, but I just don't want to play it on my current computer, (without dx9) especially if the sblive card is one of the sound problems. So all I have right now is this.
"More of the same" is perfect for me. The mechanics of Prime but a totally new planet to explore - that's what I wanted from the start. Some reviews are calling Echoes the Gamecube's best-looking game. Some even say it's better than the first Prime, because the structure is tighter.
The light/dark aspect may have been done before, but I'm sure it will add a creepy tone to the already haunting sense of isolation, and make the light a welcome sight.
Echoes is reportedly about the same length, has more challenge in combat and puzzles, and has a soundtrack that's the same quality as before. I never had a problem with the controls, so I'm glad they weren't changed. It's part of what makes Prime unique.
Almost all early reports state that Retro has refined the brilliant formula of Metroid Prime. They may not have strayed from the design too much, but why should they when Metroid Prime is one of the most well-designed games ever released?
What's not to be excited about?
Taking a break for a while (my eyes are bleeding) but this game fucking rocks. Love the menu interface, the atmosphere, music. Very creepy. Gameplay is as tight as ever. Only about an hour or two in.
I played about 2 minutes of this game, and it's definitely cool. The scanner has changed so entire objects glow colors and not just little parts. Otherwise all I have to say so far is...I walked up to a hole in the floor, and as I approached, it automatically looked down naturally. Very cool. Will play for longer than 2 minutes tonight.
Okay it's time to make some love to this game...if I can get my intense HL2 jealousy out of my mind, and put aside the anger that I only have about 3 hours left to play it.
I'm waiting on your impressions to see if I was wrong, or right on the money.
Post them up sometime tonight, because i'm trading in a shitload of games tommorrow and I want to know if this is something I should consider, or if I was right in writing it off completely.
Bah. In the early morning. I'm going to play til I pass out on the couch. Don't know how far I'll get either, it is a 20 hour adventure. Specifically in deducing how gimmicky the light-dark thing is.
I got it tonight too...It's great so far. Has a different feel to it than MP. It's a lot more mysterious. Very cool, man. The music is awesome in Surround mode...there's an area where I thought there was an actual cricket in my room =)
The frickin' particle engine rules! The way the Ing turn into dark puddles and flow all over the landscape is super smooth. The fire and smoke looks great too.
I gotta work tomorrow or I'd play this all night. I've beaten the first boss in the dark world so far.
you guys are getting me super pumped up for this game. My local store should be getting in a day or two, that's pefect timing because i have one more star left in Paper Mario 2 before i switch to Metroid Prime 2 :)
This is spot on and you don't really have to read further as I haven't gotten as far as him.Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpToken
I'm pretty slow with these games. I walk through a lot of the rooms the first time, and I get angry when something interesting isn't scannable.
I haven't gotten too far, and as of yet my path has been strictly linear, but Warp is right. A lot more mysterious and creepy. It's neat to have other live things about in this one that aren't trying immediately to kill you.
Whoa, okay, let's order my thoughts. The opening menu screen, for starters, is incredibly slick, but if you visited the website you know that already. It was just one of my favourite things about MP, and the new one is just as slick. (I can't stand those new disclaimers at the beginning of each game though)
The opening text mentions a "Contract agreement," which I liked because it reinforced the idea of being a bounty-hunter for hire. I'm going to be purposefully vague.
The in-game menus have changed to a three-dimensional trees that you rotate. It is not quite as convenient as a normal menu system, but the c-stick quickly moves between options if you don't want to spin each thing around. Each option opens up a new little branchy thing that you spin around. They invert the y-axis by default so turning invert "on" actually inverts invert. Oops.
There's no action-packed opening sequence to this one, but it's a lot darker and more ominous. when you first walk into the room with the dead galactic troopers hanging from the ceiling and the legs are wobbling about in your face, it's startling. I had my gun up in a second. Very unexpected. There were some neat touches besides that already. I came upon a communications dish and tried to send a distress beacon. The dish wobbled back and forth and I got an in-hud message that the beacon failed due to a storm system. Later you find that the marines tried that too, and got the same problem.
Some more new things are female-voiced computer audio snippets that accompany your suit's auto-environement scans and research entries. (like "scan complete" or something like that, I didn't really pay attention.) Also certain bodies can be moved a bit when shot, and bodies on crates fly off when you blow up the crates (but then disappear.) I like the new object-color scan mode, but I don't like how the scan visor changes all the colors instead of zooming in a bit. It's a beautiful game, and I like to walk around with the scanner on, but with the color change I switch back and forth a lot more than the last game. This may have been intended.
Your weapon loss is a lot more plausible this time around, and you don't lose quite as much, and you get back the missile launcher before you even know it, but pretty plausibly.
The GC has obviously hit it's graphical limit, and it's better-looking than MP, but like it was said before, you might have to load up MP to notice. I didn't, but you might. I have no complaints here, but coming down off of HL2 you might be wishing it was running on more powerful stuff. I know I am a little. The sky in some open areas looks fantastic though, with the dark storminess coming in spurts to cover the bright sky, which puts the whole area into shadow.
What the game could really have used so far was to take the trooper audio logs and make them, well, audio. Right now they are text-based, but read like audio transcriptions. If they were recorded a-la Doom 3, with good acting and sound effects, it would be even more creepy than it is currently. When the first luminoth speaks his audio samples are also very [short. I wonder if they just ran out of space/ability.
The Hud looks a bit better, the missile launcher looks different, with smaller flanges, the save and map animations have changed (specifically the map animation looks better, and has happened three times already compared to the few map points in Metroid Prime.)
That's all I've got so far, I've only played for about 2 hours, and took it slow. The first boss, not even what Warp was referring to, actually kicked my ass on the first try, and almost again on the second, but other than that it wasn't very difficult. The puzzles have been very simple so far, with one or two neat ones that weren't instant, and the play very linear. You don't start off in a large cavern with multiple accessible exits this time, and I haven't really had the chance to go poking around in places I shouldn't be yet.
I'm a little wary of some things - I saw a door that requires a power bomb to open, which is a little less subtle than having a material that requires a power bomb to clear, but I have run into several different types of materials already so I'm not sure how that's going to turn out.
I'm a little worried about the linearity so far. Certain doors require "translator packs" given to you by the luminoth, and I think he might give you each new pack after you complete each new mission, so I don't know how much freedom I'll get. Then again, I'm confident that in another hour of play or so I'll have a lot more ability to wander around off the linear path. So I can't comment on level design yet. The map I have of the first level looks cool and branching enough to satisfy me when I can open a few more paths.
On the plus side, I haven't gotten any scan hints to direct me yet, but rather have been allowed to soak in the dark creepiness. Not to be repetitive, but it's a lot darker and creepier compared to the flash-bang opening of MP, and it's working on me.
Sorry I couldn't play farther into it, I feel like I haven't even broken the skin on this one yet.
Oh, one last thought, each elevator I've been on so far has been different, so when it does load, it's more interesting than watching the same animation over and over again.
I got my copy, this means that I have to put Halo 2 aside until this is finished. :chu:
Well I've played a total of 5 hours of this game and got up to the first time you fight Dark Samus proper. Just so you know I loved the first MP, it's one of my favorite games ever and all I can say is this game is incredible. Piecing together what happened by going through the trooper logs and then further on you go through the pirate logs and it just gives you that Metroid feeling of being caught in unfamilar territory and having to slowly figure out what is going on and how to come out on top.
I'll say it right now the dark world makes things really tough with the light crystals and what not. I found myself several times exploring and my energy dropped to almost zero since I wasn't paying attention. It really adds something to the gameplay in terms of survival. I'm 5 hours in and already I've fought something like 4 bosses.
The way this game is shaping up I'm going to love it even more than the first. You are not limited ,once you get the first translator, when it come to exploring. It opens up multiple paths and same goes for the next one as well. After I got the first translator I went straight to my map and was wondering where I shoud head to next.
The world itself is beautiful, I love the detail in each room, the architecture is really something, especially when you see the great temple for the first time. It's hard not to wonder how they are going to top it in the next rooms and then they do. So far the games gotten better the further in and it's the type of game that won't let go until your done.
Can't wait to get back into it.
D
It seems to be leading up to several Metroid-style sequences where you have to dash through dark territory while your health is constantly draining to get to the next area, before you get your suit upgrade (which only helps somewhat.)
Oh, and save for the power beam, according to the booklet all the beams are different now. And I don't know how the echo visor will work, but I've already come across some enemies that are invisible, and it scares me.
Returning items are the space jump, bomb, power bomb, and new items are the screw attack, visors, and beams.
Great stuff so far. I can't believe the number of insanely good fps games this year.
One of my favorite sequences in the first Prime was right after Samus finds the thermal visor. Getting out of the darkened station with Pirates suddenly popping into your face was intense in an Aliens type of way.
Echoes has many sequences like that early on.
Aether is a much creepier place than Tallon IV, which had its share of comforting areas. Aether has a thick aura of mystery, but with a sinister layer. Perhaps the most tangible and effective atmosphere I've seen in a game, including Silent Hill.
So far, Retro has outdone themselves.
I know exactly what you mean Bio. It's like the first time I was wandering around the first world, scoping out the architecture and then suddenly everything went dark, I quickly turned around and looked for things to shoot. After a few seconds of panic I realized that it was the sky that was phazing in and out from light to dark. Great touch. Really pulls you in.
D
Loving this game so far, but the Boost Guardian is KILLING ME! NO LIGHT BUBBLES TO SHELTER ME! ARGH!
Man Cowutopia, if it's really that good, I might have to get it at Gamestop with all the trade in credit I threw over there today.
These other guys know better so far, I'm about to put a few more hours in before my "hell" class. Hopefully it lets out early and I can play all night. Then I'll really know what's going on.
Just got the first suit of armor. Major kickassness.
I hate you all.
I was so confident and sure this was just another gimmick Nintendo release, but it looks like Retro really added a ton of new shit here.
Arg =/
Im about to go pick this up now. This last page has made me anxious.
Another thing I've noticed so far, after playing a little more, is there's a lot of moving machinery in the scenery. The environments have been industrial to this point )about 2-3 hours in) so it's a change from the very natural environments of Tallon IV.
I actually kind of feel like comparing it as the difference in feel between original Myst and Riven, but it's vague. Just the dark feeling and the Luminoth symbols. Just got my morph ball bomb back, and WOW did stuff just open up. Suddenly all this stuff I passed earlier is relevant. I like how the level design supports semi-linearity in that backtracking doesn't feel as forced as it could, since as you progress you naturally come upon rooms you've been to from different directions. Even though you could run all the way back to check something interesting out.
I'm kinda dreading jumping to the dark world. Well. ONWARD!
Walk through those blue trees. They make everything bright and blue.
Getting hit with an EMP grenade in Samus' suit really, *really* sucks. A lot. Cool though :)
edit: That fucking sucked IMMENSELY. Played for like an hour exploring a new area, never found a save spot, got locked into a room in a long fight, dead.
I'll be taking a break now to go pickup Vampire and play something else. What a pissoff :( Pick this back up when I feel like replaying all of that. Ugh.
Aw. Save spots aren't as frequent as MP so far.
They aren't, which isn't really an issue - but I had literally just broken into a new area, and was actually in the process of LOOKING for a save spot when the pulled the 'haha, you're trapped, giant fight' bit on me. At the place I was, it would have taken just as long to run back to a save point as to find one - or so I thought.
It goes faster the second time. That's all the consolation I can give you. :( This happened to me in Prime as well and I stopped playing for like a week. <shrug>
I'm so tired of the "more of the same" knock on Nintendo, they can't win. When they stick with what makes a game great, they're just doing "more of the same". When they try something completely new they're "fucking up the franchise".
Metroid Prime was hailed as a revolutionary and landmark game, it's not allowed ONE sequel that isn't a drastic departure in terms of gameplay? It's Metroid, Metroid's basic gameplay hasn't changed in 20 years. If you don't want to like it then just don't like it, you don't need to rationalize it with bullshit.
Man....This game is getting better and better, dude. I picked up my first suit upgrade tonight. The boss fight for that was insanely intense...and it took a bit to figure out. I can't wait to see what's next....I know I'm just scratching the surface, even now....tho I've covered so much ground already!
My GOTY for sure.
-Wes
I recently got the Dark suit as well and loved the the boss fight to get it. Exploring the dark enviroment is not as menacing now but damn the regular monsters (Ing Hunters, and Dark Pirates) are fucking hard when they come at you in packs. I'm now exploring the bogs or swamps, very damp and dreary area. Love this game.
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That's what happens when you only own a Gamecube.Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpToken
...and, in my case, an XBox and Halo 2 and a high end PC and HL2 and Doom3. MP2 rulzzzzQuote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Jeez it's getting really bad around here, people aren't even aloud to have their own opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
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I didn't want to "aloud" him an opinion, I would've deleted his post.
That was just the only reason I could think of why somebody would think that Metroid Prime 2 (which I am SURE is a good and fun game I will someday enjoy) is a better all around video game, deserving of the title Game of the Year, than GTA: San Andreas or Half Life 2.
It can be your favorite game this year, the one YOU enjoyed the most. Fine. Is it GOTY? No, not this year.
You did read the part where he said "MY goty for sure" didn't you? It's in your qote for christ's sake.
JM
GTA is far buggier...I can understand that preference. HL2...eh ;p
For someone who is so meticulous with my spelling you'd think you'd pay more attention to things that YOU quote. He clearly wrote "My GOTY". If there's any confusion here let me know cause I know you've got the whole "Allowed" debacle figured out, maybe I can help you move on to what "My" means and we can both walk away from this with a smile and waving middle fingers in the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
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Yeah, I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by JM
That's why I said he must only own a Gamecube.
Spo - drives me nuts too. I mean we're both not Nintendo fanboys, but it seems everyone is all too ready to shit all over Nintendo. Sometimes, like Sunshine
(which was pretty meh) and Mario Party, and Pokemon, they do go too far, (kids like it though) but not even most of the time.
Edit - Forgot to set alarm, so I woke up at 1 and then called out sick. Time for play.
Heh....funny how you know what systems I own, huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
My collection:
http://users.ign.com/collection/www.warptoken.com
BTW, Have you played MP2 yet?
-Wes
82. Daikatana
lol
I hve Daikatana too. Get rid of the bugs and sidekick AI (I can't leave without my buddy Superfly!), and I'd play it over Halo 2 SP.
This tells me all I need to know. Congrats on owning yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Well I just got both light and dark beams. I was wondering how they would handle it since a few enemies seemed to be very vulnerable to light/dark beams, but the limited ammo and way it handles replenishing is very neat.
I get more and more into the game each play session. Cool stuff.
This game is sick. Sick sick sick.
I've played thru all other Metroids, this is the only time I've actually been weirded out by one. There's something about the cramped corridors of the game connecting all the big areas. In Prime 1 you didn't do a whole lot of cramped quarters fighting.
In P2 it's ALL OVER the place. And the bosses??? Holy shit, Dash Boost boss RAPED me like 4 times before I figured out how to survive. I beat the 1st boss with 14 energy. 5 hours in and I've only found 2 E-tanks.
Also, Dark Aether always being such a nast dangerous place. It's like being told to deal with Magmoor or Norfair and being given no protection to do so. Plus the place is dark, twisted, generally cramped with wicked ass shit hitting you while your suit bleeds power looking desperately for protection from light.
It's not so much that they decided to do a light and dark world premise nor the changes in Samus' compliments of weapons and armor but a rampant revision of the standard Metroid environment, taking lands that were generally benign and making even the hallways and rooms against you (Come on, Marida and Phendrana Drifts and Brinstar weren't very dangerous while Dark Aether is heavy duty). So much bad shit and they went out of their way to let you know it's a terribly hostile place. That and something I noticed is that when you do your 1st big victory against the Ing (P2's bad guys for those who don't know) they viciously attack you till you leave the area, great way to play out the game, that and the Marine's futile attempts to live as well immediately shows that others ahve died and that you could be dead too if you screw up. Big changes from the standard there's no body out here 'cept you. Now it's no body out here 'cept you, a nearly extinct culture and a crapload of "doomed space marines" [/Duke Nukem] that make it clear what you're up against.
"Congrats on owning yourself."
No...congrats go out to Bungie for making a single player game that just isn't much fun. Heck, you probably haven't even played it yet (which is no surprise...you keep saying how big of a jump GTA and RnC3 are, yet you have to play those extensively either).
And Daikatana is a barrel of monkeys? You're hella delusional, and that makes me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
he also said Warcraft 3 is the only game he will ever need to buy. so i guess his opinion on anything else really matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
"And Daikatana is a barrel of monkeys? You're hella delusional, and that makes me laugh."
At least I get a mouse and keyboard with one of the not very good games.
Halo2 SP-not very good, crappy controller
DK-not very good, good controller
Er go, take out the sidekick AI and the bugs and yes, I'd rather play DK.
Maybe it's stating the obvious, but the more I play it, the more Echoes feels like a horror game in sci-fi trappings. From the start, with the hanging bodies and reanimated soldiers, there's been a palpable sense of dread. It's not horror in terms of in-your-face gore, but rather of having the feeling there's something evil lurking around every corner, or even right in front of you, even though you can't see it.
The first Prime has a strong feeling of isolation, but with an almost constant wonder. Echoes has been menacing since the first time Samus sees Aether from space, being threatened by the encroaching darkness of the Ing, and it gets worse the farther she progresses.
She's alone once again, and retains all her bad-assness, but I think Aether scares her like nothing she's ever seen, even when she's in the light.
Progressing slowly, much like I did in the first Prime, because there's so much to take in, from the detail to the design to the atmosphere.
Agreed
When is it set?
After Prime. Might not "Scare her like nothing she's ever seen," but it's a different feel.
sometime after MP from everything ive read. dont know if theres an exact timeline since i have yet to play it.
Didn't someone say there was a timeline somewhere earlier in this thread?
Edit - I guess that was some other game. Or wait, was it on the demo disc?
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Seriously, Joust = worst gamer ever.
i have to say the original game was one of the few games this generation that i wasnt in a rush to get through. and everyones thoughts so far on this one make me want to pick up one of those MKDD bundles so i can play this one.
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the time line is on the demo disc, this one takes place after prime and before Metroid II
and it's freaking awesome I'm loving it
I'm about 6 hours in and I'm in love with this game. Metroid is such a special franchise, it doesn't have that "5 months until Metroid!!!!!!" hype appeal but when the game does come out and you're playing it, it's hard to imagine any other game being as much fun. I think the downer of beating a Metroid game is involved in the psychology of anticipating the next one, in a way you're trying to avoid the withdrawal after it ends.
For all the talk of this being "more of the same", it's actually very different from the first Prime. It's much more dark and feels almost like a survival horror game (except the gameplay is fantastic).
Just because this game doesn't have millions of pimple faced 13 year olds in a frenzy jacking cars or fragging each other online doesn't mean it's not one of the best games of the year, if not the best game of the year.
Cowutopia: I think most people that hate Nintendo are in that age group where they're too young to fondly remember the glory days of the NES, but just old enough to be afraid that being into Nintendo games will drive away women. Most Nintendo fans seem to be young kids or adults that grew up with NES. In another thread just today I got called impotent for owning a GameCube, I'm still trying to figure that one out.
im about 2 hours in, atmosphere is key, im enjoying it more than i expected to. i hate the first person perspective, but metroids bring me back each time. not too far in, so nothing much to contribute, besides my admiration of the game.
Some pittiful comments in here. But anyway I've put in about 4 hours and I'm loving it just as much of not more than the first Metroid Prime gamene of the better games that year.
Also from all the games I've played this year (minus Halo 2 since I have yet to play it) it's definately been (so far) one of the best and enjoyable ones, but I won't say for sure till I finish it.
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i'd rather be impotent that play Halo! :lol:
I'd rather play Halo, own a Gamecube, and not be impotent.Quote:
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guys, a question regarding the screen stretching option in the option screen. I know that the game does not support widescreen(which seriously ticked me off, cuz i have Sony HDTV 36" XBR series), so im just wondering what that screen stretch option does? can i stretch it fully and set my TV to widescreen? is it true widescreen to begin with? cuz i did notice the screen revealing a little more on the sides when streched.
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didn't know i had that option! :p
Got to the Boost Guardian yesterday and got my ass handed to me the first time. Then the second I actually started hurting him, then got my ass handed to me. My third try I figured out how to nail him hard and then got my ass handed to me, fourth try the pain was getting dished out both ways and he handed me my ass one last time. Fifth try was the icing on the cake, I proceeded to whoop his ass up and down, I still took a lot of damage but in the end I won with two energy tanks still full.
Thats the beauty of this game, it's difficult to the point where each time you get a little better and figure something out just a bit more so it never gets to the point of frustration or cheap kills. Everything is challenging for the right reasons.
Did I say I'm loving this game?
Well I am.
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Dude....you only got 2 Energy tanks @ the boost guardian? I managed to grab 4 by that boss.... No wonder you had such a hard time....I beat him the 3rd try. =)
-Wes
I think he had more than that number of tanks, but he had 2 full tanks left. Since he "still took a lot of damage" but "still had 2 tanks full" he probably had about 4.
Im loving it so far. I just recently got killed after going a while without saving. Im a little scared to load it up and see where I last saved. My only gripe is that the pacing feels a little too fast. I dunno. Still, all in all, its fantastic.
Everyone turn the hint system off. It's really the only way to play, and it makes this one feel less hurried.
Though I think the hint system only kicks in on this one if you're way out of your way.
Yeah, I havent noticed any hints. It's not hurried, its more so that I feel like Im getting stuff too quickly.
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METROID FOREVER!
Yeah I have 4 tanks, thanks for clearing that up. Perhaps I didn't word it properly.
I did the same thing as I did with Prime 1, I turned off the hint system before I even started the game. I haven't gotten stuck once because of the simple fact that when I don't know what to do next I study the map and head towards doors I can open and most of the time I find my way.
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I finished the Boost Guardian with only 2 tanks, yes it was a bitch, yes it can be done. You really have to play with perfect execution and do very specific things and be VERY fast. Also, being careful to shoot the boss until RIGHT before he starts dashing around and THEN unloading a super missile so you have to deal with less cycles of him boosting around and stuff...................
I'm stuck on the giant vagina mouthed shark boss, where you get the gravity boost. I can't find a way to save before facing it so I have to keep undoing the 2 latches to lift the bottom up before dying to it.
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I got it today and just beat the jump guardian, only got one energy tank so far, but I'm loving it none-the-less.
I ignored sleeping most of last night just to be able to play this more. It's waaaayyyy better then I expected. I love this game. :)
This Saturday is dedicate to Meroid Prime 2. I'm still only 4 hours in.
I tried the multi player last night with my brother it was ok not bad, not great, I need to try with 4 people though.
I just got my seeker missiles and then got kinda stuck....so I ventured back to the Agon Wastes and picked up a coupla energy tanks real quick...now I have 6 or 7.
-Wes