Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - Official Thread

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Originally Posted by dyomides

I'm accepting tips and tricks for the final boss.


I got him to his third transformation, I'm guessing theres one more transformation after that since I have him scanned up to 80%.


Thanks in advance,

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Did you scan him when he was a big shell? I didn't bother since you get to do it anyways on the last save. For his last form, which ressembles a spider shoot missiles in his mouth when it glows red. It should take 3 or 4 missiles to knock him out, then his mouth will change color. If it's Purple, use the light beam, if it's white, use the Annihalator, and if you got it, the super missile for the annihalator beam. I had 13 tanks when I went into this battle and he damaged me all up to about 9 of them, so that might be your problem. I didn't really have a method, I just tried to dodge everything.

Also take note that Rocca can beat the boss in the first game, on hard or whatever, and only take one little unit of damage.

He is, and always will be, much better than all of us at these games.

Yeah I scanned his bottom half as well as the top, I think I know what I might have missed and will verify it tonight. Thanks for the tips and if theres anything else don't hesitate to inform me.

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I'm not as far in as most of you, but I am far enough to tell that Echoes isn't better than Prime.

The main reason I say this is level design. While the environments are sharper and prettier than most of Prime's, they're more confusing to navigate, even with the map (as well as that's designed). I've even gotten stuck, literally stuck with no way to retrace my steps out of the room I've reached. An example would be the the seeker missile puzzle area. The first time you reach it, the only way out is to solve the puzzle. The areas feel overly convoluted in places, perhaps due to the light/dark thing.

There's more wondering where & how you're supposed to get somewhere, and the solution isn't always obvious, even after you discover it. I've blindly stumbled upon solutions more frequently than I'd like, which never happened in the original Prime. For that matter, I've also accidentally stumbled into power-ups much more often than before, rather than tracking them on my own. When this happens, the feeling of accomplishment is diminished.

Backtracking also takes much longer. There's less connection between areas as compared with the first Prime - there's more linear "unlock A to get to B" instead of the "unlock C to get back to A" stuff that happened so much in the last game.

The areas of Aether feel more separated than the cohesiveness of Tallon IV.

All this said, Echoes is still the best game I've played this year. As good as the Prime games are, I'd love to see what Retro would do with an original idea.

One more thing: I think this, and the first Prime, are definitely replayable, for the same reasons that people listen to favorite CDs and watch favorite movies multiple times: for the details, and for how it makes you feel.

I am planning to revisit the first Prime once I finish Echoes, and it'll be my fourth playthrough. I'm not interested in speed runs - I'm more interested in enjoying being in those places. It's a longish game, but I think it's that good.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

Also take note that Rocca can beat the boss in the first game, on hard or whatever, and only take one little unit of damage.

He is, and always will be, much better than all of us at these games.

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Heh, I never meant to rub it in, chap. Thanks for the kind words.

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Originally Posted by dyomides

Yeah I scanned his bottom half as well as the top, I think I know what I might have missed and will verify it tonight. Thanks for the tips and if theres anything else don't hesitate to inform me.

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I think that's about all I could say about the last boss. That and whenever he starts to spew out white seeker beams or flying Ing, shoot them. Forget about the Ing King and just aim at his sides since the small buggers float around him. As for the white beams, just use a charged beam or better your Ann.Beam since it'll track most of it down and throw down alot of light/dark ammo. I really suggest you find at least one more ammo expansion for your Light and Dark beams, the fight gets much easier when you don't have to wait around for ammo. I had 150 on both and I was fine. Also, Energy Tanks are a big plus.

IRT Echoes, I stopped playing recently and went back to Prime. There's something that's been bothering me about Echoes. I don't find any source of info explaining the origins of Dark Samus. I mean everyone who has played Prime knows what it's doing there, but it's got to be confusing to a newcomer of the Metroid games to play Echoes and not get a thing. Just a random thought.

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Originally Posted by DjRocca

Heh, I never meant to rub it in, chap. Thanks for the kind words.

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You didn't rub it in, I just wanted everyone to take note that jut because you can do anything a certain way doesn't mean they will be able to, or that it's easy.

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Originally Posted by DjRocca

I don't find any source of info explaining the origins of Dark Samus.

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It's just there to be cool.

I hope they give up on the idea though, because after a "Dark Samus" in both Fusion and Echoes, the idea (while cool) is played out now.

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Originally Posted by BioMechanic

I'm not as far in as most of you, but I am far enough to tell that Echoes isn't better than Prime.

The main reason I say this is level design. While the environments are sharper and prettier than most of Prime's, they're more confusing to navigate, even with the map (as well as that's designed). I've even gotten stuck, literally stuck with no way to retrace my steps out of the room I've reached. An example would be the the seeker missile puzzle area. The first time you reach it, the only way out is to solve the puzzle. The areas feel overly convoluted in places, perhaps due to the light/dark thing.

There's more wondering where & how you're supposed to get somewhere, and the solution isn't always obvious, even after you discover it. I've blindly stumbled upon solutions more frequently than I'd like, which never happened in the original Prime. For that matter, I've also accidentally stumbled into power-ups much more often than before, rather than tracking them on my own. When this happens, the feeling of accomplishment is diminished.

Backtracking also takes much longer. There's less connection between areas as compared with the first Prime - there's more linear "unlock A to get to B" instead of the "unlock C to get back to A" stuff that happened so much in the last game.

The areas of Aether feel more separated than the cohesiveness of Tallon IV.

All this said, Echoes is still the best game I've played this year. As good as the Prime games are, I'd love to see what Retro would do with an original idea.

One more thing: I think this, and the first Prime, are definitely replayable, for the same reasons that people listen to favorite CDs and watch favorite movies multiple times: for the details, and for how it makes you feel.

I am planning to revisit the first Prime once I finish Echoes, and it'll be my fourth playthrough. I'm not interested in speed runs - I'm more interested in enjoying being in those places. It's a longish game, but I think it's that good.

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The thing about Prime was that it was seamless, and Echoes felt like puzzling backtracking. It's difficult to tell someone "Echoes is an excellent game, but it has problems" without them thinking that Nintendo sucks or I'm some fanboy. Echoes looks and plays a bit better but I found that there were several puzzles that really slow the game down, unlike Prime where it was always very constant.

No doubt, the MP games are replayable, but we were speaking of immediately replaying the game, right after finishing it, or a little later. It usually takes me 2 weeks minimum to be able to go back and restart the adventure. I find it hard to start all over when there are 100 rooms I just got the ways of opening. But to each his own.

The levels seem alot larger, that or confusing, which is why I like Echoes. The Dark World wasn't that bad but I'll admit that I was relieved to get out of the Dark areas when the opportunity arose. I'm already ahead of you Bio [nia nia] and it's also my fourth playthrough on Prime 1 [2 100%'s on Normal and one 98% on Hard]. And the Prime series are one of the few games this gen that I really want to take the time to admire the detail. It's pretty awesome.

There was no introduction or explanation whatsoever, which was really jarring. Hi, I'm here, I'm your enemy, fight me!

The fact that they threw in the Space Pirates also felt sort of tacky. They went out of their way to develop a cohesive and impressive artistic world (if not cliched), and then throw in elements that just "have to be there" to make it Metroid.

Personally, I'm more interested in Samus' bounty hunting adventures and exploration than I am in "omg teh space pirates and teh metroidsoneone'.

I can't quite accuse them of rehashing... yet. Have to wait and see what they do with M3/MP3/gba M, etc.

Well I finished it yesterday, thanks for the tips. Completely owned him this time. I lost like three tanks total.

I have a few tips of my own.


To get 100% scan on the emperor you need to scan the top half and bottom half in his first form. Then when you get rid of the tentacles the top half retracts and reveals a new top half. Scan that too. Then the second transformation and finally the spider form will give you 100% scan for him.

The other valuable tip is in the second transformation if you took major damage during the first battle. Take your time on the second transformation where you have to bomb the tentacles. Destroy the majority of the tentacle holes and leave two of them and then just wait near the top to avoid the toxic gas. The tentacles keep respawning and can be killed with one bomb and they always leave something so you can completely recharge your ammo and energy before moving on to the last transformation.


I also enjoyed the first one more, but this game was still fun as hell. Just goes to show how good the original prime was.

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Originally Posted by dyomides

Well I finished it yesterday, thanks for the tips. Completely owned him this time. I lost like three tanks total.

I also enjoyed the first one more, but this game was still fun as hell. Just goes to show how good the original prime was.

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Sure thing, and yeah, Prime just nailed it right. Started a new game and remember just about every room so there's no need for the hint system. 1:27 and 20%. :)

I just got the light suit and sonic boom, and I'm kinda aimlessly wandering now. The only hints to where the 9 keys are (the pillars they go into) are too vague, I don't have the rooms all memorized. Anyone else hit a lag at this point in the game?

Couple suggestions. First, you know there will be X keys in each area, so once you've found a few, check your logbook to see the key completion % for that area - that'll let you know if there are any more.

Next, you can use the Dark Visor in the Light world to spot the keys. Just correlate your searching with the Dark world rooms, and you can find several of them that way (though not all)

Finally, watch for the dead Keybearers. Surprise, they were carrying keys. You'll find them nearby in the Dark world.

Tips for the 9 keys.


There are the clues you can scan in the temple (9 of them). Most of them have a highlighted word like 'Reactor', 'Cavern', 'Entrance', ect. Those words are the names of the room so look for the rooms with your map. For example for Reactor you'll notice that theres more than one room with Reactor in it however in the clue it says in the dry land or something rather so you know the Reactor room you are looking for is in Agon and I believe it's the Main Reactor, where you fought Dark Samus the first time.

Another thing I learned after having found a few keys accidentally was that I had no idea which keys I had just picked up. Well if you go in your inventory and you can see which keys you picked up. It will tell you who's key the one you are viewing belongs to. Believe me I was confused for a while till I realized each key is identified to belong to someone which eases your search.

I also already posted this but it's worth mentioning. The keys are hidding in an invisible vessel that can only be seen with the dark visor. You can see the vessel in the light world which will facilitate your search in the dark. So with the clues identify the room you need to go to. Then search the room with the dark visor and you will see a red outline of a vessel. Head to the nearest portal than make your way back. Often times you will have destroy or figure your way to the vessel in the dark world since things change and it helps to know exactly where it is.

There are two keys in each world and one of them has 3, can't remember which one. So go to one world and get two keys and move on. I think the temple grounds might be the one with 3 keys.


Good luck,

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Is there a way to know when you have all the keys from a certain area? I'm up to 4 out of 9, I think I've found 2 in Torvus one in Sanctuary and one accidentally a while ago (forget where)

Don't think so, but I think that there are no more then 3 in each area. The Dark worlds are very small, so it shouldnt be too much of a pain. Try going through one area in and out before hopping to the next one. That way you'll be sure that there's really nothing left there.

I just got this.

The European version is fixed to only run at 60hz, which essentially means that if you don't have a modern/top end TV, you won't be able to play this game. It runs on 1 out of 4 TVs in my house. Nice work Nintendo.

Regardless, this game is awesome. The atmosphere is great, and I love the way Retro have tried to make the universe as plausible as possible by making things work physically and not by "magic", such as the way the elevators work by having a jet booster lift them up and grappling magnets which uncouple to let them freefall down (with a jet boost to brake at the end). I also noticed that one of the moving platforms had a bunch of hydraulic arms with universal joints to lift it :)

The area around the downed Marine Dropshipe was so cool. Viewing the movie, reading all the log books of the Marines, and then exploring the mess was a really great way of develping the story.

Anyone notice that the guy with the cracked visor was a CO and his first initial was A? Could he be Adam?

Just in the Dark World now and killed the Jump Boss. I'm sort of iffy on the whole Dark World thing so far. It broke the whole atmosphere of the Light World by being so "videogamey", like the way those floating light crystals just happen to make a perfect bridge between the light sanctuaries, and the way it constricts exploration.

I'm stuck on the last boss currently, can't even beat his first form

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

I'm stuck on the last boss currently, can't even beat his first form

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Use the light bean to shoot the tentacles one-by-one...dodging attacks at the same time and collecting energy and light beam ammo. When all the tentacles retract, shoot the opening of the eye with a charged light beam (that's what I used because it homes in pretty quickly and doesn't waste time/shots.)

It can be kind of a pain if you try to use missiles or charge beam to hit the tentacles....

-Wes

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Just in the Dark World now and killed the Jump Boss. I'm sort of iffy on the whole Dark World thing so far. It broke the whole atmosphere of the Light World by being so "videogamey", like the way those floating light crystals just happen to make a perfect bridge between the light sanctuaries, and the way it constricts exploration.

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You must remember that the Luminoth created the light crystals and beacons for their own use and protection....they had places to go in the dark world. It just happens that you are going to a lot of the same places they were.

-Wes

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

I'm stuck on the last boss currently, can't even beat his first form

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Read my posts earlier, I spoiler tagged a couple hints, don't know why since it doesn't spoil anything. Put short, get one or two ammo expansions for your light and dark beams, go looking around for energy tanks, I had 13 when I faced him and I was just fine, you should have minimum 10.

I just beat it a few minutes ago. I must say, I was very satisfied. I finished it with 86% my first time through. Samus is pretty cute. ;)

The Emperor Ing totally raped me when I first encountered him, managed to get to his third form the second time, and got raped again. Took him down on my third try. :) I beat Dark Samus the second time through.

Torvus Bog ruined the game for me.

It's shittily made, the levels don't really flow at all, and the water just annoyed me, even after I got the Gravity Boost.

Beginning of the game was awesome... lot's of story, lots of exploration, and then everything just hits a brick wall the minute you get into the bog, and the whole game slows to this screeching halt.

I *loved* it up until this point, the next world better be amazing for me to keep interest.

Not to mention the bog has insane amounts of backtracking, even for a Metroid game, and the bosses are very very lame.

I hate water levels, so very much.

The next level is the most beautiful futuristic setting you will see in a videogame.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

The next level is the most beautiful futuristic setting you will see in a videogame.

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Good.

I'm ALMOST done with this damn Torvus Bog, I've got all three keys and I'm going to wrap it up now.

But seriously, this reminds me of a movie where the beginning and end parts are so great, but the middle drags on forever and brings down the entire movie.

In other news: Fuck this game, seriously. Maybe it's just because I've played it all day, but the tedium of it all has really gotten to me. I've never ever felt bored while playing a 2d metroid game, yet this one is starting to grate my nerves and bore me to death.

I feel like I should be at the end of the game, when I still have one more hub plus the end of the game to get through.

Maybe I just burnt myself out on it, but I'm really struggling to finish the rest of the game. It makes me a bit sad, as I've played all the 2d ones multiple times, and I got this same exact feeling with the original Metroid Prime too.

I thought because Echoes was a new setting, new creatures, and new ambience, that maybe it would be a bit different. But about 2/3's of the way through the game, it just gets boring. I guess, imo, they just made these games too long, or maybe the Torvus Bog just sucked all my enthuiasm straight out of the game.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

Torvus Bog ruined the game for me.

It's shittily made, the levels don't really flow at all, and the water just annoyed me, even after I got the Gravity Boost.

Beginning of the game was awesome... lot's of story, lots of exploration, and then everything just hits a brick wall the minute you get into the bog, and the whole game slows to this screeching halt.

I *loved* it up until this point, the next world better be amazing for me to keep interest.

Not to mention the bog has insane amounts of backtracking, even for a Metroid game, and the bosses are very very lame.

I hate water levels, so very much.

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Were complete opposites because I thought that level was great. :\

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

The next level is the most beautiful futuristic setting you will see in a videogame.

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This is correct, I'm really enjoying this level.

It seems to be the most linear level I've played in a Metroid game, but I really enjoy it so far. Creative enemies, nice setting. Definately got me re-excited for the game again.

Not looking forward to the key hunt at the end though =/

It pissed me off last night though, big time, and I still feel it's missing a sense of flow. But I'll finish it to the end, just to see if it gets even better, and if the latter half of the futuristic level dosen't suck.

Agree with Roufuss on Torvus (I put Echoes aside for a week because I got sick of the bog), and with Astro on the next area (the temple boss is an incredible battle).

Finished this weekend, at 29 hours and 93%.

The original Prime is my all-time favorite, and Echoes doesn't quite equal it. The inclusion of the Space Pirates and Metroids seems incidental in Echoes, and Aether isn't as well designed as Tallon IV.

I wish there was more use of the screw attack and Echo visor. In fact I was hoping for an Echo beam.

A wonderful and brilliant game.

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Originally Posted by WarpToken

It can be kind of a pain if you try to use missiles or charge beam to hit the tentacles....

-Wes

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Totally disagree, Multi Missile is the way to go when fighting the tentacles, that way it's easily possible to take out several at once, plus it conserves beam ammo for the 3rd form of the final boss where once again, Multi Missile (Seeker Missile I believe) is great for damaging him enough to expose his heart and then once that's accomplished, Annihilator Beam his ass to death, at least, that's what I did.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

I just got the light suit and sonic boom, and I'm kinda aimlessly wandering now. The only hints to where the 9 keys are (the pillars they go into) are too vague, I don't have the rooms all memorized. Anyone else hit a lag at this point in the game?

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No, finding all nine keys took me about an hour and a half, if you've scanned all the dead Luminoth you've come across then you should have keybearer lore, use that and look at the words highlighted in red, then go to you map and look for the rooms with similar names or whatever. Get out a pad of paper and write all that shit down, use your check list and boom you should be able to find all of them pretty damn quick.

Just got back into it over the weekend, beat the Sanctuary boss.

Before I even did that I'd already gotten 2 Sky Temple keys, and know exactly where another is (didn't have the right beam at the time). So I'm already 1/3 through that before I've even officially started hunting them down.

between working and other shit I havent had enough time to play this Im still in the santuary which is just a beautiful level and personally I had no problem with the bog, by the end I actually liked the bog, the enemies in there are a bit challanging and it wasnt bad for a water level

Im at 78% scans, 52% items and about 13 hours in

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Originally Posted by Bojack

Totally disagree, Multi Missile is the way to go when fighting the tentacles

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I didn't use missiles at all. I used the annihilator beam on the tentacles - the homing capabilities meant I didn't really have to lock on in order to hit them. Then I pounded the core with the charged annihilator shots - charged light shots work great too, but you don't really need to save dark ammo at this point, so why not. This also saves missiles for the third form - I used super missiles and sonic boom exclusively on the mutated emperor.

During the Emperor's second form, I bombed ten of the eleven tentacles slots, and then kept bombing the Inglets to refill beam ammo and health - I think dyomides mentioned this earlier. I was back to full for the third form, so you can afford to go nuts with ammo during the boss' first phase, and not worry about losing health that much either. If you've got enough tanks, you'll just outlast and overpower him.

I found Meta Ridley/Metroid Prime to be much tougher than the final fights here. Following that, despite all the reports to the contrary, I thought combat in Echoes was easier than Prime overall. There was nothing like Thardus or the Omega Pirate in Echoes....actually I think the Spider and Boost Guardians killed me the most. Echoes' map navigation and puzzles were a lot more complex though.

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No, finding all nine keys took me about an hour and a half

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Same here. I didn't think finding the Sky keys was difficult or lengthy. There was one in Torvus Bog that took me a little while to track down (because the Bog sucks), but the Keybearer Lore word in red gives you the name of the exact room they're in.

Too bad Super Metroid isn't unlockable. At least so far. Wonder if beating Hard with 100% might do it.

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Originally Posted by BioMechanic

I didn't use missiles at all. I used the annihilator beam on the tentacles - the homing capabilities meant I didn't really have to lock on in order to hit them. Then I pounded the core with the charged annihilator shots - charged light shots work great too, but you don't really need to save dark ammo at this point, so why not. This also saves missiles for the third form - I used super missiles and sonic boom exclusively on the mutated emperor.

During the Emperor's second form, I bombed ten of the eleven tentacles slots, and then kept bombing the Inglets to refill beam ammo and health - I think dyomides mentioned this earlier. I was back to full for the third form, so you can afford to go nuts with ammo during the boss' first phase, and not worry about losing health that much either. If you've got enough tanks, you'll just outlast and overpower him.

I found Meta Ridley/Metroid Prime to be much tougher than the final fights here. Following that, despite all the reports to the contrary, I thought combat in Echoes was easier than Prime overall. There was nothing like Thardus or the Omega Pirate in Echoes....actually I think the Spider and Boost Guardians killed me the most. Echoes' map navigation and puzzles were a lot more complex though.



Same here. I didn't think finding the Sky keys was difficult or lengthy. There was one in Torvus Bog that took me a little while to track down (because the Bog sucks), but the Keybearer Lore word in red gives you the name of the exact room they're in.

Too bad Super Metroid isn't unlockable. At least so far. Wonder if beating Hard with 100% might do it.

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I use Ann. Beam for the tentacles the first time but ran out of light and dark ammo because of it and there fore the 2nd time thru I used missiles to save on beam ammo so I could go ape shit on the final form with Ann. Beam.

One of the Dark Torvus Keys was a TOTAL BITCH for me to find. I had no clue where it was and spent like I swear seven hours looking for this damn thing. As soon as I found it the game went smoothly till I needed to find Power Bombs which were also a bitch, I cried uncle and looked it up on Gamefaqs. Other than those two occurances the game went smoothly for me.

Holy shit if Super Metroid 3 was unlockable this would make Prime 2 best game EVER! (I want to use more exclamation points but I know what happened to some other guy for using too many).

I just finished Metroid Prime 2, it's definately one of the best GC games out there, but i still didnt find it as challenging or difficult as Metroid Prime 1. The levels in MP2 were very complex and deep, i like how there was more emphasis on the morph ball levels(inlcuding the magnetic rail), but the action was very easy, the only boss that gave me a hard time was the Boost Guardian, the rest were all a piece of cake(inlcuding ing emperor and dark samus). where as in MP1 i was on the tip of my toes, the fights were very challenging(if not hard, bosses were smart and complex), and that gian pirate boss slapped me like a little bitch. ofcourse meta-ridley and metroid prime(the boss) made me pull my hair out in frustration!

I also felt that MP2 didnt have as many enemies as MP1 did.

anyways, AAA game nontheless, i can't wait to see what Retro has instores for us once they announce Metroid Prime 3 :)


next game....Resident Evil 4.

btw, does the ending depend on the percentage complete like MP1? it took me 26 hours, 75%, 5 super bombs, 150 dark/light beam, 170 missles and 11 energy tanks.

can't wait to see some nerd do a time run and finish the game in an hour! ;)

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Originally Posted by marwan

btw, does the ending depend on the percentage complete like MP1? it took me 26 hours, 75%, 5 super bombs, 150 dark/light beam, 170 missles and 11 energy tanks.

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you get a little longer of an ending if you get 100%

bassicaly after the ending you saw it shows the planet from space and you see these blueish particles collect together and form Dark Samus (metroid prime) in space and then it ends, so there will obviously be a metroid prime 3, which will probably finish off the prime story arch

I ended up beating the game with 100% items 99% scans

Well.

After putting it off for months, I finally decided to just suck it up and beat this game. I'm now utterly convinced that it's the Mega Man 6 of the Metroid series. It's sloppy, has no sense of flow whatsoever (the Sanctuary looks nifty, but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the game world at all), comes to a screeching halt several times, and advances the series so little that it's very easy to forget it exists (I actually did forget it existed until I looked over my GC games).

What's really sad is that it had a ton of potential, and there are a few scattered moment of brilliance that show just what it could have been. But the dark world mechanic absolutely sucked, and the levels don't flow well at all. And really, there's just no reason for it to exist. It doesn't advance or expand the story, there are no interesting additions to the gameplay, and nothing we saw in this game will ever be mentioned again. Even the presentation of the story, from the very beginning, feels as though Retro knows it doesn't really matter. Prime was a side-story, but it felt important in the overall scheme of things even though it wasn't. This just feels like a filler title. Hopefully the next Prime (and we all know there will be one) has a bit more effort put into it than this glorified mod did.

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I agree completely. I had been thinking about why I didn't enjoy this one as much as the first, and you pretty much nailed it. The first prime had me desperately searching for new items and power ups so that I could advance in the game, but this one had me collecting stuff just so that I could get more stuff. Highly disappointing.

MP3 better be on the Revolution. MP2 is a great game, but no where near as good as MP1. The dark world in MP2 was total meh'

MP1 came together in such a beautifull way that cannot even describe it's beauty. till this day i crave going back and replaying MP1, which is not the case with MP2.


EDIT: MP2 was too easy that it spoiled the game even more.

I as well didnt find it as challending OR difficult as metroid prime 1.

[QUOTE=marwan]i still didnt find it as challenging or difficult as Metroid Prime 1.

I think it was a bit harder than Prime, actually (fucking boost guardian). Still easy overall, though.

I think it was a lot worse because I HATE choking environments where your health goes down. I like to take my time, and going from light bowl to light bowl was lame.

Actually, I haven't even finished it. At least a half a dozen times, I lost an hour of play time because I hadn't saved in a while and something killed me (hey, it was the darkness, yay).

Metroid Prime 2 is the Donkey Kong Country 2 of this era.

-Both are classic Nintendo franchises modernized(not necessarily a good thing) by Western developers.
-Both are sequels made relatively quickly.
-Both, while well made, offer little over the previous games. They are cookie cutter sequels without much soul, for lack of a better word.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Metroid Prime 2 is the Donkey Kong Country 2 of this era.

-Both are classic Nintendo franchises modernized(not necessarily a good thing) by Western developers.
-Both are sequels made relatively quickly.
-Both, while well made, offer little over the previous games. They are cookie cutter sequels without much soul, for lack of a better word.

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I still disagree with this. I don't think "well, it's a good game but it doesn't live up to the previous ones" because I don't think it's a good game period. The mechanics and art design are great, without a doubt, but the level design is just terrible. If it was more of the same, at least I could enjoy it on a superficial level, but the level layout is so boneheaded sometimes that I don't think the game is deserving of the "good but not great" reputation that it has.

I do agree that Prime 2 is weaker than the first. It's the only Metroid game I haven't beaten. I figured it was more my apathy to playing another Prime than the game itself but yeah maybe the level design contributed to my not caring.

I used to think that was it too, but then I went back and played through Prime again and loved it as much as always. Echoes just has some of the worst pacing I've ever seen in a game. Right from the very beginning, stuff just kind of happens because it has to, and switching between the light and dark worlds finally crossed the line between interesting and tedious backtracking (which Metroid has always toed to some degree but never crossed before).

The plot also suffers from this stuttery pacing. You pick up a signal, so you arrive on a planet... okay. You eventually encounter some black goo alien thingies that posses things... okay. Then you arrive at the crash site where the signal came from and everyone's dead... this is forgotten as soon as you leave the area and never comes up again. Then the Lumiwhatever ask you to exterminate the Ing (black thingies) and collect a bunch of stuff.

Then the plot comes to a dead halt for the rest of the game and there are no more developments whatsoever. Well, except for Dark Samus, but nothing comes of that. It's like Retro just forgot the game had a story half an hour into it.

All the elements of a good game are in Echoes, but they're put together with all the grace of a macaroni and construction paper picture.

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I think it was a bit harder than Prime, actually (fucking boost guardian). Still easy overall, though.

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yah but the boost guardien was the only difficult boss in that game, the rest were so so. also the bosses werent as intelligent as in MP1

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I do agree that Prime 2 is weaker than the first. It's the only Metroid game I haven't beaten. I figured it was more my apathy to playing another Prime than the game itself but yeah maybe the level design contributed to my not caring.

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actually MP2 had more level depth, specially the morph ball rail levels! but overall MP1 is the better game.

How long is this game? I have clocked in a little over 13 hours now and am currently at the Quadraxis boss. I hope I am close to being done, I don't know how much more of this game I can take.

I agree with those who think MP1 was better than its sequel. One thing, however, I did love about MP2 was the cancerous sound when you left the safe-zone bubbles in the darkworld and the darkness started eating away at you. Such an awesome sound. After reading this thread I think I will replay MP1 tonight.

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How long is this game? I have clocked in a little over 13 hours now and am currently at the Quadraxis boss. I hope I am close to being done, I don't know how much more of this game I can take.

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It's cool, you're almost done! I really enjoyed MP2, save two or three moments stuck underwater (for about a day or so).

Even though I really liked MP2, I felt that the Light/Dark worlds was just an attempt to re-use the levels to clock in more gameplay. I was relieved that each sector of Aether looked completely different in Light than it did in Dark (the terrain at times completely changes). Was afraid that Retro would just get lazy and change the tint and lighting of the worlds instead of changing their shape and form between worlds.

I just beat Prime 2 -- a little over 26 hours with 86%.

Great, great game until you beat the sanctuary temple.


The nine-key fetch quest was absolute crap. I have no idea why Retro thinks such a thing would be fun.

Unfortunately, once again, the ending totally sucked. Emporer Ing was cool, but the Dark Samus battle was totally anti-climatic.

I also hate the way Samus just walks away with a little wave after she returns to the light world. It's like her whole mission was just a pain in the ass. It all felt really rushed and ruined the atmosphere and feeling of importance the rest of the game worked hard to build.

Retro needs to play the original and Super Metroid, and take some notes on how to make a great ending.

And is it to much to ask for a Metroid game that actually features the bad-ass metroids of old? You know the kind that suck the life out of you before you know it. The kind that you run from in fear. The metroids in Prime were wimps and in Prime 2 they were practically non-existant.

I had this game, sold it then bought it again recently for $19.99 Canadian new at EB :)

Prime 2 is one of the first Nintendo franchise games I was surprised to not care at all about. Another is StarFox Armada.

Never bought them, played them, or even think about them.

YOU SHUT UP Pikmin 2 is awesome. Seriously, much better than the first.

Armada, I couldn't care less about.

I am trying to hunt down a GameCube ( for < $20) for the following games :Metroid Prime, RE4, and Pikmin 2.

That is all.

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YOU SHUT UP Pikmin 2 is awesome. Seriously, much better than the first.

Armada, I couldn't care less about.

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YOU SHUT UP Pikmin 2 is awesome. Seriously, much better than the first.

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Where did he mention Pikmin 2?

Anyway, Prime 2 is well worth it for everything before the key hunt. And that's a snap if you just find a FAQ and write down the areas and room names of where the keys are.