Iraq

40% of Iraquis polled say they want Saddam freed.

How messed up is that?

Is it really necessary to have three threads devoted to this subject?

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How many Iraqis died in the 15 months leading up to the war as a direct result of Saddam, and the sanctions?

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It took some digging, but I found a post here:

Obviously sketchy, but feel free to provide better sources/data.

Using the same method the guy in that entry used, 21,150 people were killed by Hussein in those 15 months. However it is important to stress that while we have a (overly, IMO) watchful press keeping tabs on all numbers that have been killed while the CPA was in charge, no such authority was doing the same when Hussein was in charge. Unless you want to count the UN, but they seem to have been too busy lining Hussein's pockets with oil-for-food bribes. So that 21,150 number is pretty conservative.

Also keep in mind that as violence dwindles down in Iraq so will the death counts, while the Hussein number would've remained relatively constant.

If you are talking about the sanctions, and Saddams SOB response to it. We are talking about a million here. Instead of much needed food and supplies, due to the sanctions, roughly a million died of starvation/malnutrition because Saddam put his defence budget first.

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Originally Posted by Stone

The last year has been far worse than it needed to be, but thinking over it all, I'm glad we did what we did.

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Will this Iraq business help us in our battle to the death with Islamo-fascism? Holding no illusions, I believe it will.

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

Will this Iraq business help us in our battle to the death with Islamo-fascism? Holding no illusions, I believe it will.

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Um how, it has been reported that terrorism had a sharp increase since the Iraq thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/10/powell.terror.report/

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Originally Posted by Damian79

If you are talking about the sanctions, and Saddams SOB response to it. We are talking about a million here. Instead of much needed food and supplies, due to the sanctions, roughly a million died of starvation/malnutrition because Saddam put his defence budget first.

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Urm no, stop believing tall tales.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

It took some digging, but I found a post here:

Obviously sketchy, but feel free to provide better sources/data.

Using the same method the guy in that entry used, 21,150 people were killed by Hussein in those 15 months. However it is important to stress that while we have a (overly, IMO) watchful press keeping tabs on all numbers that have been killed while the CPA was in charge, no such authority was doing the same when Hussein was in charge. Unless you want to count the UN, but they seem to have been too busy lining Hussein's pockets with oil-for-food bribes. So that 21,150 number is pretty conservative.

Also keep in mind that as violence dwindles down in Iraq so will the death counts, while the Hussein number would've remained relatively constant.

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Here we have the bribes thingy again, while the UN investigation is ongoing and I wont make any premature deductions it does look like it was yet another one of Chalabi´s lies.
These allegations originated from Chalabi, the same guy who was instrumental in the White House WMD, Chemical and Nuclear claims which al turned out to be fake.
Chalabi to this day insists he has irrefuteable evidence of UN corruption yet has not handed over a shred of evidence yet and nothing was found either when he fell out of grace and his offices and home were searched and his documents seized a couple of months ago.

hahaha.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

watchful press

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I read that and laughed out loud. Then I showed a co-worker what you wrote and she laughed out loud. Thanks for the entertainment.

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Originally Posted by Mfkzt

I read that and laughed out loud. Then I showed a co-worker what you wrote and she laughed out loud. Thanks for the entertainment.

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Can you deny that the press is reporting incidents as they happen? When 5 Iraqis or Americans die or whatever they report it. When Ted Kennedy wants to foolishly say this is another Vietnam the press reports it. When some soldiers put underwear on the head of Iraqi prisoners the press reports it... over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Dont be an idiot.

In any case, no matter your opinion of the press in Iraq now, you cant deny that more people are watching America's actions than were watching Saddam's. Which was my point all along.