Cancel that part about your opinion meaning anything to me while you're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
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Cancel that part about your opinion meaning anything to me while you're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Cancel that part about your opinion meaning anything to anybody while you're at that.
kthx
If it didn't mean anything, you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself with that clever wit of yours that has somehow remained undiscovered by talent scouts who have been scouring the globe for comedy genius <snicker>.
Yawn, already. :P
What? Fuck off. I'm not trying to pull rank here, I'm not trying to be egotistical here, I'm not trying to say that what I've done is any more important than anybody else's accomplishments. At the same time, don't talk to me like I'm some kid who just tossed up some fansite on Yahoo one day and now claim to be some superstar because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
I've been doing my own web-based projects for almost ten years now. I started off logging in through a Unix shell, doing all of my HTML in Pine, and checking over the site with Lynx. Since that point, I've had websites for one thing or another up. After I started at GameFan, I was given the task of not only running, but completely creating the AnimeFan website from scratch, at a point when I had no experience doing a website of that size. I then was pushed into not only running AnimeFan Online, but also GameFan Online, where I had to run both sites - projects far bigger than TNL will ever be, and I don't mean that as any sort of offense - 100% by myself. (Until, finally, somebody else was brought in to help me out.)
Every website I've ever run, with the one exception of GFO, I designed, created, and maintained completely on my own. While I was living in Japan, I had to do all of the work on my website at home with no internet connection, burn it to a CD-R, take it to school, and fight with their computers to get it uploaded and hope that everything worked. I can't even begin to get an idea of the time, energy, and money I've spent on all of the web projects that I've done over these 9+ years.
I know I'm going to get ragged on for this post, but screw it. I'm NOT bragging, I'm NOT trying to talk myself up. Anybody who knows me knows that I'm almost never proud or boastful of the things I've done. And, once again, I take nothing away from Nick and don't for a second try to reduce the time and energy he himself puts into keeping this website a place of interest for everybody to enjoy. I've also NEVER said anything to the effect that I though my efforts or accomplishments were more important than his.
But kiss my ass if you think I don't know what I'm talking about and haven't myself put in the time and effort to be able to speak my mind.
I want to be clear here - my comments weren't directed at you, as I've had no problem with anything you've said so far. As well, I completely agree with you as to the whole "father" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
I said in my initial post that I'm not a big fan of Bahn, and that's absolutely true. I've had my scuffles with him, and I haven't always agreed with his way of doing things. Even so, I stand behind my opinion on this, and find it a bit ridiculous that people are making such a big deal out of my opinions. If I was somebody who was in a position to make decisions around here, I could understand people being so vocal about disagreeing with me... but Christ almighty.
just thought I'd re-quote myself. Maybe the message didn't get through the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Their point was you never paid for a site the size or scope of TNL out of your pocket, which is why people respect Nick so much. Running a website is fairly easy if you can A) Write and B) Be commited and punctual.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Hell, I ran a popular wrestling game website for 4 years that was pretty big and everyone around here knows I'm not the best, or even near the best listing of spellers. The point was you don't accurately know because you've never been on the financial end of an bank rape due to a large hosting bill. And if you have you didn't bring it up.
I'm not going to argue your ability to run a good website shidoshi, because I don't care and you could be the best. But it isn't entirely the same as what Nick is putting up for TNL.
when sombody pays the cost it takes to run something like this out of his own pocket and never asks for a fucking dime in return i tend to think its an honor to stick around and say my piece. but since you always seem to come off as knowing more than the next guy why don't you take the time to explain to me how it "should work". the point is when sombody violates the rules, which bahn did and somebody (like you have done) states that what they're doing is okay it tends to rub people the wrong way. up until this thread i never even knew that Nick was one of the key people that he is.....and considering he's footing the bill, that comes off to me as really fucking unbelieveable. you would expect his name to be synonimous with Bahns but to me at least, it wasn't. what does that tell you? the guy asks for nothing. he's the silent voice of this place when many times you would consider him to be the most vocal and prominent. im sorry but yes i do see it as a privledge to post here and ill never see things the way you do. does that make me wrong? no. does that make you wrong? certainly not. but to answer you question again, yes i do see it as an honor to come here. so explain your side. how "should things work"? because on my side Nick never asked for a damn so i dont see whats wrong. but you tend to paint him that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
It's a priveledge to post here. (honour? this isn't medieval times) A priveledge in which we all practice... a lot.
shidoshi, to be quite frank I dont give a shit about your prior actions as a webmaster. I also dont care if Nick is paying for it out of pocket. This is not what the problem is. The problem is that Bahn, not "Bahn 1998 Who Founded the Site" or "Bahn 2003 Who Handed TNL to Nick" but Bahn present used his mod powers to sticky a thread in which he basically said, "Hey we're making this new site that's gonna improve on (read: be better than) TNL". That's just not cool, no matter who does it.
There are certain rules of etiquette that apply to message boards and one is, dont advertise your own fucking site w/o permission. Bahn broke that rule of etiquette. He stickied a thread that linked to a site that said, "The Next Level Begins Again". WTF is that? It's just not right.
I don't get it, those are all the same person, and he founded tnl like you said, so it would be wrong to negate Bahn the right to advertise something at a place he brought from the ground up.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
This is stupid.
Okay DjRocca this thread has basically turned into a very simple argument:
For Bahn: He founded the site so he has a right to advertise.
For Nick: He pays for the site so he has a right to not allow advertising.
And Im saying, those reasons are irrelevant. The combination of the ad + the sticky + the content of the ad was disrespectful and lacking in taste. If Bahn wants to make a site better than TNL, then let him do it - but dont advertise it on Nick's dime. And that goes for anyone. It is just not cool. And that's the truth, Ruth.