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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Why didn't Bahn just implement all these new changes and his vision to TNL? Why not build from a partially established foundation rather than just begin building a whole new site from scratch?

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As I said before, the end product can be good or bad, and as a result can affect TNL positively or negatively. It would be unfair to impose his vision knowing that he may ruin TNL in the process which Nick has worked hard to maintain.

If successful, Bahn would probably try to merge TNL and GN together or atleast affiliate with TNL.

Dragonmaster Dyne gets it. It doesn't matter if diffx is a long term poster in good standing, a newbie on his second post, or even drunken psycho schizo. What matters for the sake of this discussion is that he's right in the post he makes.

Shidoshi- might want to avoid getting goaded into a pissing contest next time. Just my view on things there.

So long as we've got everyone chiming in on things, I might as well add to the furor. What the hell, maybe it'll be fun.

Let's see, we've got the site founder departing and starting a new web site of his own. He uses his mod powers to sticky the announcement in primary board #2, and front and center on the page when you click the link is a jab at the old site.

Verdict- Talking about his new site, or "advertising" it, is perfectly fine, but stickying it was tacky, but entertaining in a "Can you believe this?" kind of way.

Proper response- Unstickifying the thread coupled with a bit of beratement inside the thread. This has been done, so can we talk about his new site now?

As a mild tangent, I'm ignoring entirely the Building a Better Fansite thread. Yeah, he made it primarily to brainstorm ideas for his new site but if we here don't take advantage of it we're too damn dumb to be allowed online, and possibly too stupid to do things like dress ourselves or breathe without thinking hard about it.

You know, being an armchair judge isn't half as entertaining as I hoped it was going to be. I think I'll go get to work on either a bit more web browsing or typing up the Weekend Report.

James

the fact that people keep AIM logs frightens me.......

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

unless you were also agreeing with me

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:Nod: Sorry if it was confusing.

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Originally Posted by Damian79

He could probably have used his sig to advertise his site and no one would bitch about it. It seems like people here want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

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People wouldn't bitch about it, because there would be nothing wrong with it. It's not the fact Bahn's making a new site that has people irked, it was the way he presented it that irked people.

You know:
* "the next level begins again. . ."
* Pimping it on a sticky thread.
* Using moderator privileges to perform market research.

Seriously, it would be like working at McDonalds, and during that time asking customers what they like about it and how it could be improved. Then making your own burger chain using that information, and then using your managar status to tape a sign on the crotch of Ronald McDonald saying "Eat at Joes, it's just like McDonalds but better".

There's nothing wrong with making a competing burger chain, but there's classier ways... no... a way that has atleast _some_ class, of doing it.

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Originally Posted by James

As a mild tangent, I'm ignoring entirely the Building a Better Fansite thread. Yeah, he made it primarily to brainstorm ideas for his new site but if we here don't take advantage of it we're too damn dumb to be allowed online, and possibly too stupid to do things like dress ourselves or breathe without thinking hard about it.

James

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and here i thought contributing to that thread was in a way contributing to the often talked TnL 4. sure was wrong on that one. sticky whatever you want but that pissed me off.

Here's the thing- if TNL4 ever arrives you can be assured that the thread in question will contribute to it in some way. Yeah, Bahn got some good stuff for his web site but we got some good stuff for ours. I'm far less interested in the reason it was started than any results that will hopefully come about because of it.

Hell, screw TNL4. We should be implementing any stuff we found useful from there into what we do on here immediately. Why wait?

James

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Originally Posted by Lhadatt

Bahn has severed ties with TNL. He no longer has admin rights here, he is a normal user. He is no longer receiving games for TNL. He is even postponing product requests until GN's content side launches. Yes, stickying this thread and pimping his site here may have been a bit tactless, but I believe everyone is harping on that way too much.

Nick, I do respect your tenacity for keeping this site up even when you have had financial and personal problems. However, Bahn is showing a good faith effort by withdrawing from the administrative structure of TNL and properly notifying his and TNL's industry contacts of his resignation from the site. Let's please get over any social faux pas Bahn may have committed and get back to talking about the games.

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Very concise and to the point, Lhadatt, I really wish everyone on here would just chill out and get back to discussing games, telling Jeremy to slow down on his posting, and puzzle over whatever the hell that tumerous growth is on Aurora's nipple.

Things as a whole have just been way too hostile around here for the past few months, all the flaming and sniping at one another has been on the rise for whatever reason and the site's losing some of that community appeal that attracted so many of us to it in the first place. Let's all get back to that.

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Originally Posted by Lhadatt

. . . Bahn is showing a good faith effort by withdrawing from the administrative structure of TNL and properly notifying his and TNL's industry contacts of his resignation from the site.

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The first time I saw that e-mail was right here. I just checked my inbox and it is in there unread, so I stand corrected on that point. But you may not be aware that Bahn was supposed to cut his ties at E3 and send out that letter immediately afterwards. Yet, after E3 was well over, he was still requesting product, including an N-Gage, using his TNL address. The only reason that e-mail got sent is because I sent Bahn an angry PM after this thread was stickied.

I sent the PM on 6/3 demanding he stop asking for freebies, he sent the letter out 6/4. Coincidence?

This thread is full of bullshit and it's all flowing from the outside.

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Originally Posted by James

Shidoshi- might want to avoid getting goaded into a pissing contest next time. Just my view on things there.

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Trust me, I know how stupid it was to let myself get dragged into that. At the same time, though, it ticks me off that I was being told that I was making comments on things I had little experience with.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

when sombody pays the cost it takes to run something like this out of his own pocket and never asks for a fucking dime in return i tend to think its an honor to stick around and say my piece. but since you always seem to come off as knowing more than the next guy why don't you take the time to explain to me how it "should work".

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First, let's make something clear... my "that's not how a message forum should work" was not made in response to this whole Bahn thing - it was made in response to the idea of Nick "allowing" me or anybody else to post here. Let me say that again... this part of my message has NOTHING to do with what Bahn did.

I have an apartment that I pay money to live in. When my friends come over, I'm glad to have them, and while they are here, I expect them to be respectful of my apartment and to follow whatever rules I have in place. Now, yes, I am "allowing" them to come into my apartment. But if I take that attitude, that it is a privilege for them to be in my apartment, that to me seems a bit high and mighty. The attitude should be "you're welcome so long as you respect my place," not "you should feel lucky that I let you in." In my opinion, a message board should be the same kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

shidoshi, to be quite frank I dont give a shit about your prior actions as a webmaster. I also dont care if Nick is paying for it out of pocket. This is not what the problem is. The problem is that Bahn, not "Bahn 1998 Who Founded the Site" or "Bahn 2003 Who Handed TNL to Nick" but Bahn present used his mod powers to sticky a thread in which he basically said, "Hey we're making this new site that's gonna improve on (read: be better than) TNL". That's just not cool, no matter who does it.

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I've got to laugh... when diffx is actually one of the more intelligent voices in a conversation, that just feels odd. It would be nice if we could have just stuck to discussing that topic - if it was right or not for Bahn to do what he did - and not gotten into such stupid sub-arguments that don't matter on that topic.

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Originally Posted by Nick

The first time I saw that e-mail was right here. I just checked my inbox and it is in there unread, so I stand corrected on that point. But you may not be aware that Bahn was supposed to cut his ties at E3 and send out that letter immediately afterwards. Yet, after E3 was well over, he was still requesting product, including an N-Gage, using his TNL address. The only reason that e-mail got sent is because I sent Bahn an angry PM after this thread was stickied.

I sent the PM on 6/3 demanding he stop asking for freebies, he sent the letter out 6/4. Coincidence?

This thread is full of bullshit and it's all flowing from the outside.

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I was aware of the NGage assertion. Bahn informed me that he wasn't aware that he requested it. He's shown me an email sent to Nokia, CC'd to you, requesting that it be delivered to you instead. Metal Slug 3 was requested for inclusion in a batch of last reviews to go on TNL. He was waiting for someone on TNL Staff to request River City Ransom from him before he reviewed it himself (for said last batch), but then Atlus contacted him saying you informed them he had moved on to another site.

I've seen numerous emails regarding this product he was supposedly requesting for GN, and can see nothing indicating that he was using his TNL account for anything but redirecting his communications to GN and requesting product for some final TNL content. I have no doubt that he's attempting to part ways with TNL in good faith.

It's not productive to carry on this sort of feuding. Hopefully this post will help alieviate some of your concerns.