i like how doshi talks down on the man who allows him to be able to post here.
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i like how doshi talks down on the man who allows him to be able to post here.
if you let me become a mod in Morning Mayo, and then a few months later I sticky a thread that says, essentially, "Come to Morning Ketchup, its everything TNL is and more" and then sticky it, wouldnt you be mad? I would. Bahn was advertising his site on TNL. No matter his history with TNL and no matter the situation now that is not proper etiquette. He got pissed off when AndyRose was pimping Neomega on here. It is in extremely poor taste and he had no business doing it.Quote:
I will still, however, disagree with seeing his making the topic sticky as improper. It could have been unstuck in a few days, and no big deal would have been made. Of course, this isn't my site, so I don't control how things work, I just comment on them.
I agree, why'd he give the site over to Nick? Just to make a new one to compete with him? I understand that Bahn wants a new content orientated website, but why the forums that are very very similiar to another sites forums?
Whenever diffx says something like that, a reasoned post with little to no swearing, I feel a need to say something about it. Add in that I agree with him whenever he does it and it begins to feel like some kind of obligation, as if anything I could say would maybe make this person come out and post more often.
Yeah, it's nice in my happy little fantasy world...
James
a fantasy world.....much like his av :D
It's a long story.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
"content oriented" and "forums" is an oxymoron IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
What I meant by 'content oriented' was a typical gaming site previews, reviews, interviews, all fucking sorts of -views.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
Here's hoping all the un-funny posters who try to use gimmicks to be annoying move on over there and post less or not at all here.
"Allows" me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
I concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
To be fair here, in your example, you became a mod at my site long after it was started. If you had been there when it started, it would be a totally different situation. For example, if Procyin or Dunlap make their own site, they are more than welcome to advertise it on my site. (In fact, Pro has done just that.)Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I don't excuse Bahn's past actions against people who pimp their sites on here. However, at the same time, I can't help but put a lot of importance on the fact that Bahn was one of the people who started this place, and put in a lot of his time and effort to start it.
Nick pays for the site. I've seen exactly how much he pays, and if he's asking something as reasonable as his own admins not advertising on the site, then who are you to cry so much about it? Nick kept this site going when it almost died several times, even when he hardly could afford to. He'd probably hate me bringing this up, but he's made a hell of a lot of sacrifices for this little site of his, so he has say over what gets posted on it. Have a problem with it? I believe there's a link to a new board in this thread somewhere. You won't be missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Not to be a dick to TNL, but seriously how many forum regulars check out TNL's content? I do like once in a blue moon. When forums become popular, they become the focus and everything else is usually ignored. I think if a site wants to be content oriented, it should probably forego forums. That's what I meant by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
Forum regulars are not the same as... regular regulars. I read GameSpot a lot and I dont post on the forums. I guess Nick would know better than I would on the traffic of this site but I wouldnt be surprised if there is a reasonable number of non-posting readers.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
There are a lot of "Guests" browsing these forums. Sometimes more than actual active members, so I think diff hit the nail on its head.
Only about a third of our visitors start their visit on the forum. The other two-thirds start on the editorial content or index pages. I remember it used to be half-and-half. Keep in mind that people that start on the boards do move on to the content and vice versa. People have all sorts of surfing habits. I think it's common to bookmark the forum page and then move around both the boards and the main site.
Drama.
Love it.
You're not the only one, evidently.
I could use some pizza.
dream a little dream my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
three slices sitting downstairs. ill fedex them tomorrow whats your addy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick
is there an echo? he can make you disappear......oh yes......vanish!Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
I've got 6 slices sitting in my stomach. :)
damn, pizza sounds really good. everything's closed now though
I honestly don't think that Got Next will be any sort of "problem" for TNL. I used to be on the team for over four years and it's been tough trying to outshine other sites like IGN, Gamespot, and even CNET's old defunct GameCenter so I don't see how well it could compete with TNL.
It's probably going to be tough for the first few stages of Got Next and I really can't picture it's future and can't say much about the direction it's heading. I've known Bahn for a long time and I know he is very dedicated. However, I'm just not sure how a small group of volunteers is going to keep up with consistent game reviews. Anyone can post news, it's just a matter of grabbing them off of Yahoo and paraphrasing them. That's been one of the problems that TNL has had ever since I can remember, which is consitent game reviews. If a new game comes out, of course you want to read about it right away so you rush over to IGN or GameSpot and boom, the review is there right when you want it to be. As for TNL however, you wait a week or two for the fastest... maybe a month... or never so what's the point unless you want to get a "second opinion" but by that time, you'll be deep into the game.
I'm not saying that TNL sucks or anything. In fact, how this site has been up for about 7 or so years is extremely admirable. Hell, it's awesome how TNL managed to snag GameFan's readers and then the forums became as big as they are today. What do I think will happen to Got Next? Probably get a lot of news articles posted, features on some miscellaneous topics, scattered reviews, and then afterwards become an overglorified forum.
As for Got Next in becoming something big... well good luck and best wishes. With 7+ years of experience, it'll be interesting to see what Bahn can do to a site with a fresh start.
So do most of the people that post on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomi
He alone pays for it? I'm not going to ask how much, but it must be a damn high amount because I've seen far smaller operations close up due to bandwidth costs. The fact that the users here don't generate the site any revenue at all should give Nick the final say on what goes down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Wasn't he talking about eventually having ads here?
There already are, theres an ad for black halo three posts up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
He pays to have that in his sig?
No, I was joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Yeah, he pays for it alone. He's had a few banners and things, but he's trying to keep the site as ad free as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Well damn. I never realized that. My hat off to Nick then.
Ditto, that's friggin generous, I'm starting to feel guilty :o.
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Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/y...gs_wp3_800.jpg
Commendable of him. I guess he must have a pretty well-paying job to support a 'hobby' like this. Either that or he's living on 25 cent packets of ramen noodles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
I had ramen noodles for lunch, actually, but with a hamburger. No cheese in the house, but there were enough hamburger buns.
Finally someone gets Dolemite to buy into something. Yes! In your face big disgrace Dole.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
Doesn't this usually happen with hot dogs? 6 buns per pack and 8 weiners per pack, so you have to buy 2 bun packages leaving a surplus of 4 extra buns you give your grandpa to feed the local ducks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
Btw, thanks for paying for this. It's hard, I've payed for a site out of pocket before, and it sucks. So thanks.
You never made a return on the gay porn site?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
In your face big disgrace
The least common denominator is 24, so buy four packs of buns and three packs of "weiners" and youll end up having an equal number of both... not to mention A SHITLOAD OF FUCKING HOT DOGS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
That's alright though, I'll just hide them around the neighbourhood as a scavenger hunt for the local raccoons and other rabie faring members of the animal kingdom.
Or perhaps throw them in the local dumpster near the homeless shelter.
Not if you buy those "good" hot dog weiners that come in packs of 6. Then you're 6 for 6 on terms of buns and weiners and you can eat all that raccoon testicle and hog anus with no leftovers.
Oh, yes. I was so owned. Woe is me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
BTW, aren't you the guy I convinced that Stone Cold Steve Austin teamed up with R. Kelly and assulted his girlfriend with brill-o pads to the breasts and hot chocolate milk enemas, and that a Kentucky Fried Chicken message board existed and everyone there loved Kill Bill vol. 2?
Get turkey franks. They're good...and good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by cka
You a Brit? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Canadian, and you got me with the Kentucky Fried Chicken Kill Bill lovers. That is why I am having joy in this.
Post #135 = Reply of the Year.
Crying about it? I'm giving my opinion on the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Great. Good for him. He works hard on his site, and he pays for it. I respect him for that, but I'm supposed to be impressed? I do the same thing for my site. Granted, it doesn't cost nearly as much to keep up as this place does, but don't toss that fact in my face like I'm supposed to be impressed.Quote:
Nick kept this site going when it almost died several times, even when he hardly could afford to. He'd probably hate me bringing this up, but he's made a hell of a lot of sacrifices for this little site of his, so he has say over what gets posted on it.
My argument was that since Bahn was one of the people to start this site, I think he at least has some right to pimp whatever his new project is. That's all I'm saying... but it seems obvious that some of you people can't get that idea through your head, and want to just keep harping on how Nick now runs this place. That's not the point that I'm arguing.
Hah... I happen to disagree with a decision that was made here, and I'm told that I can just pack my things and take off. Nice. I've been posting here since before GameGO even existed, so I think I'll base my decision to stay or to leave on more than just your sassy comments.Quote:
Have a problem with it? I believe there's a link to a new board in this thread somewhere. You won't be missed.
You make it sound like it's an honor to be able to post here... and that isn't how a message forum should work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
Um, okay. At least it's a big deal to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Enjoy it while you mastrubate screaming my name tonight.
The point is not that I pay for the site. I think I only brought that up in an argument once after fifteen minutes of talking to a wall. Sometimes logic doesn't work right away (yes, that hurts me to admit) and you just have to say, "Look, dammit, I pay for this so stop busting my balls!" But that is truly not my style. I try to go by what is right and utilitarian, and if I fail it's because I'm not perfect.
For me, it's like that saying, "Any man can be a father, but it takes someone special to be a dad." Bahn helped start this site, but there is still right and wrong. All along the path, there have been people - Kenshin, Raziel, Reno, me, etc. - that have made major contributions while Bahn danced in the spotlight. I respect his perserverance but I am not going to accommodate his whims where they conflict with the good of the site. Bahn is more like the Terminator hanging on to the back of the car and causing sparks, not the person in the driver's seat. What makes this site great is not that Joe Smith at THQ is sending us the new PS2 FPS. What makes it great is that it is by gamers, for gamers, and presented with a lot of love for the audience and the history of the industry.
I'm glad that you are here to argue Bahn's case, because I can actually deal with cohesive arguments as opposed to outbursts and grandstanding. But really, that's all I care to say on the matter. I have been trying to be tactful, but, again, if I failed it's because I'm not perfect. This thread is not getting stickied and that's that. I refuse to participate in some big production over who's responsible for what.
Bahn is still an admin here and is still receiving games for TNL. I have tried not to argue in this thread because it's supposed to be about his other site, so if you want to stop derailing the topic, I will return it to Bahn. If anyone wants to start a separate thread on the history and future of TNL, be my guest. I'll participate. We can even move these posts there.
Geez, don't try to be an asshole or nothing. I can see where he is coming from, he obviously spent far more time on this site than you probably ever will on yours.
I can also see how stickying a topic about another forum is in poor taste. And it is obvious they don't have any hard feeling between the both of them.
I can see how one guy would want to keep the site the way it is, and another guy wanting to try and create a better fansite. IMO there should be a lot more fansites similar to n-sider.com, a site that comes with content that is seen there first and content that isn't seen elsewhere, not to mention a sense of professionalism within the writing unlike some other horrid sites *cough* nintendojo *cough*
And it isn't like Bahn will attempt to kill TNL with his new site(it is still probably his real home after adventuring in new sites and burnt out), from what I see, he is trying something new to see if it will be good or not. It is something that would probably get integrated with TNL if successful or tossed aside as a failure.
I'm not sure who that was addressed to, but I agree that there shouldn't be any hard feelings. It's unreal to me when people freak out over what should be fun. I think I said this before, but I didn't come here to measure my dick. I came to read and write about games. G-a-m-e-s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
If there were hard feelings, this thread wouldn't be here and I certainly wouldn't keep bumping it with responses. It might as well be stickied. :p
I was talking to shidoshi how he seems to think that he has worked as hard as you on his site. His idea that he has some semblance of how you feel about something that you have tried to keep out of TNL for a very long time with a lot of sacrifices to then be subject to it from someone you trusted to abuse their rights as a mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
While it may or may not have been intentional, Bahn crossed over his boundary on this site so you made some minor modifications. Bahn isn't bothered so much by it as I have yet to see a tantrum from him about it, yet shidoshi is making a big fuss over something he has nothing to do with in the first place. Ridiculous if you ask me.
Oh yea? Which ones are THQ working on?Quote:
What makes this site great is not that Joe Smith at THQ is sending us the new PS2 FPS.
Why, you want a review copy?
At this rate, you should move it to Headlines. :xx:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
That's where you lost. I had a site on Geocities once, but I don't pretend to know what it feels like to put even a fraction into a site as what Nick's put into this one. You're like a guy who played a year of high school football trying to tell Brett Favre what to do through the television.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Depends what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
And you're like the fat kid in high school who never got laid and talks all kinds of immature shit to make himself feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Go get some pussy or something already.
Shidoshi's argument is valid, regardless of who owns what now or who "transferred" what to whom for whatever reason. Over the past 5 or 6 years that I've been viewing TNL, Bahn's contributions have been far more tangible than Nick's have been. What Nick does behind the scenes is his business and really can't be effectively be debated. Bahn wasn't openly dissing TNL or Nick, and while his site might be viewed as future competition, I don't think he was doing anything mean spirited.
Ahh, haohmaru, 37 and always mature. Anyway, you're completely wrong on this and it was in poor taste, no matter what Bahn has done in the past. It wasnt mean-spirited, only stupid and without class.
Besides bahn should be out whoring Got Next to other sites, so the community doesnt become just a shitty clone of TNL. Look at Neomega if you dont believe me.
If bahn wants to leave TNL and start fresh somewhere else, good for him. I hope its successful. But Nick shouldnt be expected to kiss his ass while he's doing it.
Um, I don't think GN is about cloning TNL but to try and create something otherwise it would be a waste of time. As for other sites, it would be far more tasteless to register just for making spam. There was nothing wrong with making this topic as he has put a lot of work on this site aswell, but stickying it is going too far.
LOL. I never realized that you're 37.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
What a surprise that you're the first in line to tell me I'm full of shit. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I respectfully disagree. Bahn has the right to pimp his site and he's the last person expecting Nick to kiss his ass, trust me.
That was so dumb it was funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Oh wait. No cancel that part about being funny.
Cancel that part about your opinion meaning anything to me while you're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Cancel that part about your opinion meaning anything to anybody while you're at that.
kthx
If it didn't mean anything, you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself with that clever wit of yours that has somehow remained undiscovered by talent scouts who have been scouring the globe for comedy genius <snicker>.
Yawn, already. :P
What? Fuck off. I'm not trying to pull rank here, I'm not trying to be egotistical here, I'm not trying to say that what I've done is any more important than anybody else's accomplishments. At the same time, don't talk to me like I'm some kid who just tossed up some fansite on Yahoo one day and now claim to be some superstar because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
I've been doing my own web-based projects for almost ten years now. I started off logging in through a Unix shell, doing all of my HTML in Pine, and checking over the site with Lynx. Since that point, I've had websites for one thing or another up. After I started at GameFan, I was given the task of not only running, but completely creating the AnimeFan website from scratch, at a point when I had no experience doing a website of that size. I then was pushed into not only running AnimeFan Online, but also GameFan Online, where I had to run both sites - projects far bigger than TNL will ever be, and I don't mean that as any sort of offense - 100% by myself. (Until, finally, somebody else was brought in to help me out.)
Every website I've ever run, with the one exception of GFO, I designed, created, and maintained completely on my own. While I was living in Japan, I had to do all of the work on my website at home with no internet connection, burn it to a CD-R, take it to school, and fight with their computers to get it uploaded and hope that everything worked. I can't even begin to get an idea of the time, energy, and money I've spent on all of the web projects that I've done over these 9+ years.
I know I'm going to get ragged on for this post, but screw it. I'm NOT bragging, I'm NOT trying to talk myself up. Anybody who knows me knows that I'm almost never proud or boastful of the things I've done. And, once again, I take nothing away from Nick and don't for a second try to reduce the time and energy he himself puts into keeping this website a place of interest for everybody to enjoy. I've also NEVER said anything to the effect that I though my efforts or accomplishments were more important than his.
But kiss my ass if you think I don't know what I'm talking about and haven't myself put in the time and effort to be able to speak my mind.
I want to be clear here - my comments weren't directed at you, as I've had no problem with anything you've said so far. As well, I completely agree with you as to the whole "father" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
I said in my initial post that I'm not a big fan of Bahn, and that's absolutely true. I've had my scuffles with him, and I haven't always agreed with his way of doing things. Even so, I stand behind my opinion on this, and find it a bit ridiculous that people are making such a big deal out of my opinions. If I was somebody who was in a position to make decisions around here, I could understand people being so vocal about disagreeing with me... but Christ almighty.
just thought I'd re-quote myself. Maybe the message didn't get through the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Their point was you never paid for a site the size or scope of TNL out of your pocket, which is why people respect Nick so much. Running a website is fairly easy if you can A) Write and B) Be commited and punctual.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Hell, I ran a popular wrestling game website for 4 years that was pretty big and everyone around here knows I'm not the best, or even near the best listing of spellers. The point was you don't accurately know because you've never been on the financial end of an bank rape due to a large hosting bill. And if you have you didn't bring it up.
I'm not going to argue your ability to run a good website shidoshi, because I don't care and you could be the best. But it isn't entirely the same as what Nick is putting up for TNL.
when sombody pays the cost it takes to run something like this out of his own pocket and never asks for a fucking dime in return i tend to think its an honor to stick around and say my piece. but since you always seem to come off as knowing more than the next guy why don't you take the time to explain to me how it "should work". the point is when sombody violates the rules, which bahn did and somebody (like you have done) states that what they're doing is okay it tends to rub people the wrong way. up until this thread i never even knew that Nick was one of the key people that he is.....and considering he's footing the bill, that comes off to me as really fucking unbelieveable. you would expect his name to be synonimous with Bahns but to me at least, it wasn't. what does that tell you? the guy asks for nothing. he's the silent voice of this place when many times you would consider him to be the most vocal and prominent. im sorry but yes i do see it as a privledge to post here and ill never see things the way you do. does that make me wrong? no. does that make you wrong? certainly not. but to answer you question again, yes i do see it as an honor to come here. so explain your side. how "should things work"? because on my side Nick never asked for a damn so i dont see whats wrong. but you tend to paint him that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
It's a priveledge to post here. (honour? this isn't medieval times) A priveledge in which we all practice... a lot.
shidoshi, to be quite frank I dont give a shit about your prior actions as a webmaster. I also dont care if Nick is paying for it out of pocket. This is not what the problem is. The problem is that Bahn, not "Bahn 1998 Who Founded the Site" or "Bahn 2003 Who Handed TNL to Nick" but Bahn present used his mod powers to sticky a thread in which he basically said, "Hey we're making this new site that's gonna improve on (read: be better than) TNL". That's just not cool, no matter who does it.
There are certain rules of etiquette that apply to message boards and one is, dont advertise your own fucking site w/o permission. Bahn broke that rule of etiquette. He stickied a thread that linked to a site that said, "The Next Level Begins Again". WTF is that? It's just not right.
I don't get it, those are all the same person, and he founded tnl like you said, so it would be wrong to negate Bahn the right to advertise something at a place he brought from the ground up.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
This is stupid.
Okay DjRocca this thread has basically turned into a very simple argument:
For Bahn: He founded the site so he has a right to advertise.
For Nick: He pays for the site so he has a right to not allow advertising.
And Im saying, those reasons are irrelevant. The combination of the ad + the sticky + the content of the ad was disrespectful and lacking in taste. If Bahn wants to make a site better than TNL, then let him do it - but dont advertise it on Nick's dime. And that goes for anyone. It is just not cool. And that's the truth, Ruth.
Seeing Diff rattle off "there are rules of etiquitte on a message board" is hilarious, on top of the usual hypocrisy of that statement coming from him, I guess those same rules don't apply for chat rooms being linked off of the board.
:lol: Jeremy is on a roll today, or something.
i dont think it matters who says it, its still the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
I think you are taking it out of context. Bahn is simply trying to improve upon TNL without messing up the good parts of TNL while he is at it. Which is from what I read was the goal of TNL in the first place, a gaming site that improves on the old formula. Would you have preferred that he try new things with TNL and kill TNL and the work that Nick and everyone involved worked hard to create and even harder to maintain?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Atleast he didn't do something downright wrong like putting a big article on the front page about the new site. And it is a testament to the quality of the TNL forums and forum goers that he would want people from TNL to participate on his forums aswell. I mean where else would a sane person want people from? IGN? Gamespot? Gaming-Age? TeamXbox? Gamefaqs?
I like how Rich can contribute nothing to the discussion but attack me. Real classy, slugger.
Like I said, I wish him luck with that. But he shouldnt be advertising like he did on Sound Off.Quote:
I think you are taking it out of context. Bahn is simply trying to improve upon TNL without messing up the good parts of TNL while he is at it. Which is from what I read was the goal of the first TNL, a gaming site that improves on the old formula. Would you have preferred that he try new things with TNL and kill TNL and the work that Nick and everyone involved worked hard to create and even harder to maintain?
Thanks, slugger.
Just because Diff is a cunt some of the time doesn't mean you should ignore everything he says. Even if it's hypocritical; it sometimes takes one to know one, ja?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
There's one thing I don't understand about Got Next. Why didn't Bahn just implement all these new changes and his vision to TNL? Why not build from a partially established foundation rather than just begin building a whole new site from scratch?
And I'm sorry, but a site called "Got Next" can never be a success. When I hear "The Next Level", I know it's about videogames; "Games Are Fun": games; "GameSpot": games; "Imagine Games Network": games; "Magic Box": games, "GameSpy": games, "1Up": games, "GameFAQS": games... games... games...
"Got Next" : next days milk
didnt exactly get what youre saying but i was agreeing with diff :D unless you were also agreeing with me.......head hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
I think I am missing something here? While I didn't like the stickying, you guys make it sound much worse from what I read on the first page of his thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Can't we all come to some middle round here and say, Bahn has the right to have his own thread to mention the opening of his new site, but not sticky it?
He could probably have used his sig to advertise his site and no one would bitch about it. It seems like people here want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
If you haven't had a chance to check your email, I apologize, but we need to do a little fact checking here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
Bahn sent a "Farewell to TNL" letter on 6/4 at 5:12PM his time. You posted the above quote on 6/5. The email follows:
For the clueless, Chris is Bahn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahn in Email
Now, check out that CC: field. Nick, your email address is in there. You got that email, unless you didn't check it or TNL's mail server is busted. Basically, Bahn isn't going to be receiving any more games on behalf of TNL. If he does get any more that might be in transit, I imagine that he will send those to you promptly.
As for the admin access, his was removed on 6/3. He is now a normal user on this site.
Bahn has severed ties with TNL. He no longer has admin rights here, he is a normal user. He is no longer receiving games for TNL. He is even postponing product requests until GN's content side launches. Yes, stickying this thread and pimping his site here may have been a bit tactless, but I believe everyone is harping on that way too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahn to cka
Nick, I do respect your tenacity for keeping this site up even when you have had financial and personal problems. However, Bahn is showing a good faith effort by withdrawing from the administrative structure of TNL and properly notifying his and TNL's industry contacts of his resignation from the site. Let's please get over any social faux pas Bahn may have committed and get back to talking about the games.
As I said before, the end product can be good or bad, and as a result can affect TNL positively or negatively. It would be unfair to impose his vision knowing that he may ruin TNL in the process which Nick has worked hard to maintain.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
If successful, Bahn would probably try to merge TNL and GN together or atleast affiliate with TNL.
Dragonmaster Dyne gets it. It doesn't matter if diffx is a long term poster in good standing, a newbie on his second post, or even drunken psycho schizo. What matters for the sake of this discussion is that he's right in the post he makes.
Shidoshi- might want to avoid getting goaded into a pissing contest next time. Just my view on things there.
So long as we've got everyone chiming in on things, I might as well add to the furor. What the hell, maybe it'll be fun.
Let's see, we've got the site founder departing and starting a new web site of his own. He uses his mod powers to sticky the announcement in primary board #2, and front and center on the page when you click the link is a jab at the old site.
Verdict- Talking about his new site, or "advertising" it, is perfectly fine, but stickying it was tacky, but entertaining in a "Can you believe this?" kind of way.
Proper response- Unstickifying the thread coupled with a bit of beratement inside the thread. This has been done, so can we talk about his new site now?
As a mild tangent, I'm ignoring entirely the Building a Better Fansite thread. Yeah, he made it primarily to brainstorm ideas for his new site but if we here don't take advantage of it we're too damn dumb to be allowed online, and possibly too stupid to do things like dress ourselves or breathe without thinking hard about it.
You know, being an armchair judge isn't half as entertaining as I hoped it was going to be. I think I'll go get to work on either a bit more web browsing or typing up the Weekend Report.
James
the fact that people keep AIM logs frightens me.......
:Nod: Sorry if it was confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
People wouldn't bitch about it, because there would be nothing wrong with it. It's not the fact Bahn's making a new site that has people irked, it was the way he presented it that irked people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
You know:
* "the next level begins again. . ."
* Pimping it on a sticky thread.
* Using moderator privileges to perform market research.
Seriously, it would be like working at McDonalds, and during that time asking customers what they like about it and how it could be improved. Then making your own burger chain using that information, and then using your managar status to tape a sign on the crotch of Ronald McDonald saying "Eat at Joes, it's just like McDonalds but better".
There's nothing wrong with making a competing burger chain, but there's classier ways... no... a way that has atleast _some_ class, of doing it.
and here i thought contributing to that thread was in a way contributing to the often talked TnL 4. sure was wrong on that one. sticky whatever you want but that pissed me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Here's the thing- if TNL4 ever arrives you can be assured that the thread in question will contribute to it in some way. Yeah, Bahn got some good stuff for his web site but we got some good stuff for ours. I'm far less interested in the reason it was started than any results that will hopefully come about because of it.
Hell, screw TNL4. We should be implementing any stuff we found useful from there into what we do on here immediately. Why wait?
James
Very concise and to the point, Lhadatt, I really wish everyone on here would just chill out and get back to discussing games, telling Jeremy to slow down on his posting, and puzzle over whatever the hell that tumerous growth is on Aurora's nipple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lhadatt
Things as a whole have just been way too hostile around here for the past few months, all the flaming and sniping at one another has been on the rise for whatever reason and the site's losing some of that community appeal that attracted so many of us to it in the first place. Let's all get back to that.
The first time I saw that e-mail was right here. I just checked my inbox and it is in there unread, so I stand corrected on that point. But you may not be aware that Bahn was supposed to cut his ties at E3 and send out that letter immediately afterwards. Yet, after E3 was well over, he was still requesting product, including an N-Gage, using his TNL address. The only reason that e-mail got sent is because I sent Bahn an angry PM after this thread was stickied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lhadatt
I sent the PM on 6/3 demanding he stop asking for freebies, he sent the letter out 6/4. Coincidence?
This thread is full of bullshit and it's all flowing from the outside.
Trust me, I know how stupid it was to let myself get dragged into that. At the same time, though, it ticks me off that I was being told that I was making comments on things I had little experience with.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
First, let's make something clear... my "that's not how a message forum should work" was not made in response to this whole Bahn thing - it was made in response to the idea of Nick "allowing" me or anybody else to post here. Let me say that again... this part of my message has NOTHING to do with what Bahn did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
I have an apartment that I pay money to live in. When my friends come over, I'm glad to have them, and while they are here, I expect them to be respectful of my apartment and to follow whatever rules I have in place. Now, yes, I am "allowing" them to come into my apartment. But if I take that attitude, that it is a privilege for them to be in my apartment, that to me seems a bit high and mighty. The attitude should be "you're welcome so long as you respect my place," not "you should feel lucky that I let you in." In my opinion, a message board should be the same kind of thing.
I've got to laugh... when diffx is actually one of the more intelligent voices in a conversation, that just feels odd. It would be nice if we could have just stuck to discussing that topic - if it was right or not for Bahn to do what he did - and not gotten into such stupid sub-arguments that don't matter on that topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I was aware of the NGage assertion. Bahn informed me that he wasn't aware that he requested it. He's shown me an email sent to Nokia, CC'd to you, requesting that it be delivered to you instead. Metal Slug 3 was requested for inclusion in a batch of last reviews to go on TNL. He was waiting for someone on TNL Staff to request River City Ransom from him before he reviewed it himself (for said last batch), but then Atlus contacted him saying you informed them he had moved on to another site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
I've seen numerous emails regarding this product he was supposedly requesting for GN, and can see nothing indicating that he was using his TNL account for anything but redirecting his communications to GN and requesting product for some final TNL content. I have no doubt that he's attempting to part ways with TNL in good faith.
It's not productive to carry on this sort of feuding. Hopefully this post will help alieviate some of your concerns.
Oh, God. There's so much to be said about this, but it can best be said on the phone, in an e-mail, or in a PM. I have absolutely no idea why an otherwise intelligent person like you would come in and argue a point in a situation you are not a party to, defending actions you did not witness. If Bahn thinks what he did was right, let him tell me directly. What you just wrote there is a bunch of shit, plain and simple. I'm not insulting you - I'm saying what was presented to you was shit. I know you came in here with good intentions, but in this kind of case it is easy to take things at face value.
And, unfortunately, all you did was force me to reply. If I had said nothing, it would look like what you said was true and I let it stand because I couldn't disprove it.
What a shame.
Can we let this little event die now.Quote:
Got Next is now my home, but I will never forget all the time, dedication and manpower past and present persons, staff and readers alike have contributed over the past 6 years..
As Dacaz expressed, the net is definitely a big place for everyone, and yet as you can see - there is tension brewing at the other boards. The thread in subject was mostly done in jest, albeit poorly executed on account of taking precedence over all other threads. I refuse to get into a big mud sling at TNL, and I apologize for the abuse of my previous admin abilities. I am pretty shocked as to how the thread has um...progressed. The way I see it....the less people that participate in that thread, the better. It should be put to rest.
I expected this thread to be more of a "Farewell and Good luck" sort of thread, instead I see the likes of a bunch of whiners and some stuff I'm sure the staff would have preferred to discuss privately. To sum it up, I hope Bahn enjoys his new environment, you've all known him for a while, so set everything aside and wish him good luck.
If no one can do that, this thread is better off locked.
That's the smartest thing that anyone has written in this thread. Kudos.Quote:
Originally Posted by DjRocca
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
The same sound as an Internet Farewell Letter
You can clap with one hand. Just hit your fingers to your palm really hard. It's a quiet riot of laziness.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone