Metal Slug Mobile on Sprint PCS phones!!

Again, you and MechDeus both bring up all of these hardware/design points which I did not mention in the first place and I still believe is irrelevant. People will play the games they want to play on the systems that provide them, regardless of how crappy the controller is in comparison to any other.

Here was my point, like I said earlier -

Thread for Metal Slug Cellphone appears. By default, we know it will not look, sound, or play as good as the arcade title. People respond to the thread with universal disgust towards the title itself, as if it's Common Knowledge that the game is shit.

Thread for Guardian Heroes Advance appears. By default, we know it will not look, sound, or play as good as the previous Saturn title. Once gameplay screens are revealed, exact discrepancies between it and Saturn GH are evident. However, these discrepancies are mostly ignored and the strong demand for the game remains.

That's it.

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Thread for Metal Slug Cellphone appears. By default, we know it will not look, sound, or play as good as the arcade title. People respond to the thread with universal disgust towards the title itself, as if it's Common Knowledge that the game is shit.

Thread for Guardian Heroes Advance appears. By default, we know it will not look, sound, or play as good as the previous Saturn title. Once gameplay screens are revealed, exact discrepancies between it and Saturn GH are evident. However, these discrepancies are mostly ignored and the strong demand for the game remains.

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Ditto. Why is a botched Metal Slug so unacceptable on a cell phone but a botched Guardian Heroes on the GBA so welcome?

because we dont know if the GH game on GBA is going to play like crap yet or if it will play well

graphics can be overlooked if it plays well

I paid money myself to play a few games on my cell phone Metal Slug being one of the ones I tried and a few others and while I can easily over look the graphics the gameplay was horribly butchered beyond recognition and that can not be forgiven

it wasn't fun any more

Now the GH game, i don't know how its gonna come out, the graphics do nothing to inspire me and personally I find them weak even for a GBA game, but if the game play is there then I'll pick it up, if not then I wont be touching it

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Originally Posted by dog$

Again, you and MechDeus both bring up all of these hardware/design points which I did not mention in the first place and I still believe is irrelevant. People will play the games they want to play on the systems that provide them, regardless of how crappy the controller is in comparison to any other.

Here was my point, like I said earlier -

Thread for Metal Slug Cellphone appears. By default, we know it will not look, sound, or play as good as the arcade title. People respond to the thread with universal disgust towards the title itself, as if it's Common Knowledge that the game is shit.

Thread for Guardian Heroes Advance appears. By default, we know it will not look, sound, or play as good as the previous Saturn title. Once gameplay screens are revealed, exact discrepancies between it and Saturn GH are evident. However, these discrepancies are mostly ignored and the strong demand for the game remains.

That's it.

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Because GHA, while still looking pretty bad (and I saw plenty of people complaining about the graphics), could still play well. Will it be as good as the original? Probably not, but it could still be good if taken on its own, and considering Treasure's track record as far as gameplay goes, it's a fair assumption.

On the other hand, people aren't bitching about Metal Slug for the cellphone because it's not as good as the arcade versions. They're bitching because it's just a bad game, period. It's an ugly, choppy, and most importantly, uncontrollable mess, no matter what context.

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Because GHA, while still looking pretty bad (and I saw plenty of people complaining about the graphics), could still play well. Will it be as good as the original? Probably not, but it could still be good if taken on its own, and considering Treasure's track record as far as gameplay goes, it's a fair assumption.

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Like I said, there's no reason for GHA to be inferior to the original. Just no reason whatsoever. It should look, sound, and play better than the 8year old original and nothing less should be tolerated. Yet that's not gonna happen. A lot of GBA fans seem to just happily take inferior versions of games because theyre 2D. There are examples outside of GHA, and even if the game doesnt play bad, it certainly isnt as good, yet it gets eaten up because its GBA. Pretty weak.

It gets eaten up because people expect less from a portable than they do from a console, and that's always been the case. My PDA isn't as good for e-mail as my desktop is, but my desktop is pretty hard to take with me when I travel.

As for the gameplay being inferior, that's hardly exclusive to portables. Look at Deus Ex 2 for an example. Good game, bad sequel.

"Probably for the same reason that anyone expects any game to be "good" on a proprietary handheld device."

I know what you mean man. Those Slugs for the NGPC sucked ass. They ran like shit with the slowdown and the gameplay was butchered beyond belief. But everybody ate them up.

Then of course Klonoa G2 on the GBA surpasses Klonoa 2 on PS2 in every way. Graphics being subjective. Eye of the beholder and whatnot.

GHA doesn't have to look better than Guardian Heroes to be a better game. If it plays better it is better. Once again, that'll be a personal opinion/preference issue. I think it could be done easily since I'm not the biggest fan of the original. The new screenshots are definitely no uglier. Treasure's other GBA games have rocked (the Astroboy one kicks the shit out of Sega's PS2 Astroboy) so I can't see how I have a reason to not check it out.

Reasonably,
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I actually enjoyed the NGPC Metal Slugs, but I didn't go in expecting the same thing as the arcade. I knew they were much more platforming-oriented, and taken that way they could be just as fun. I thought the slowdown was the only thing holding them back.

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I honestly don't see how that makes a difference; even if GH Adv magically plays 100% as well as the Saturn game does (which, thanks the lack of planes and buttons on the device, we know won't be true anyway) [...]

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Wrong. They're using different magic and plane systems, so yes, it could play as well as the Saturn version. It'll be a slightly different type of play but that alone would hardly make it inferior.

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Again, you and MechDeus both bring up all of these hardware/design points which I did not mention in the first place and I still believe is irrelevant.

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You asked why we have something against playing games on cell phones and are fine with handhelds. The difference between the two - just like the difference between handhelds and consoles - is primarily hardware/design points. To leave those out and suggest that you did not infer as such would be to suggest that you never said anything at all. They all play games, they all play the same genres (excluding MMOs), the differences come down to design and hardware.

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People will play the games they want to play on the systems that provide them, regardless of how crappy the controller is in comparison to any other.

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You prove that comment wrong yourself, FFT-lover.

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However, these discrepancies are mostly ignored and the strong demand for the game remains.

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Since you apparently read the GHA thread you might have noticed my comment about seeing the screens but remembering how well GH played, much like how I saw the Tekken 5 video but remembered how much I don't like how it plays. It could look like the greatest thing in the world but if it plays like crap then who cares? Heck, MMZ2 is quite possibly the best platformer of the last few years despite being on an "inferior" system.

Perhaps you guys remember an old Xbox thread we had about a game that had been in development for some long time (five years?) and while Shola (IIRC) praised the gameplay up and down like mad everyone agreed the game looked like shit. However, many of us also said that even though it was in running contention for worst looking game this generation (and maybe last gen too) that we would still buy it and love it if it played as good as was said. Graphics =/= gameplay.

[edit] The game was Galleon and it was Chespace, not Shola. How prophetic the thread suddenly got resurrected right before I mentioned it. Wierd.

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You asked why we have something against playing games on cell phones and are fine with handhelds. The difference between the two - just like the difference between handhelds and consoles - is primarily hardware/design points.

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I can't possibly agree with that at all.
The difference between cellphones and handhelds is like a pothole; they're both proprietary handheld devices that attempt to replicate the act of playing games as if they were on a proper console. Cellphones have other disadvantages, but they're both trying to do the same thing.
This is dwarfed by the canyon-wide gap which the N-Gage, GBA, and any proprietary handeld you can name faces against that of actual home consoles in terms of providing the best possible gameplay experience that the current technology offers (among a list of other differences).

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To leave those out and suggest that you did not infer as such would be to suggest that you never said anything at all. They all play games, they all play the same genres (excluding MMOs), the differences come down to design and hardware.

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I did leave those out, and I did specifically for the reason like I said earlier; Game X on Handheld X is pissed on, while Game Y on Handheld Y is not pissed on despite both Game X and Y appearing to be poor recreations of near-decade old games.

From my perspective, what you're telling me is that GHA is like a long BM shit after you eat a nice steak, and Metal Slug Cellphone is like a corn infested half-digested shit after you eat too much Taco Bell. They are both shit.
You might like one kind of shit better than the other, but they're both shit.

But yeah, broken-record stuff from my part here. Whatever. The main reason why I'm replying is because

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You prove that comment wrong yourself, FFT-lover.

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I have no idea what you're talking about here at all.

If I want to play Tactics Advance, it's a mouse click away for me and anyone else that wisely refuses to exchange money for handheld shit. The ROM is on my machine right now. Outside of loading it to the title screen to ensure that it works with vba.exe, I haven't touched it. *shrugs* I really have no idea what you mean by that statement.

If you're meaning that I'm contradicting myself because I'd actually want to play FFTA if I'd just breakdown and buy the hardware, you're wrong, because I have no inclination to play the game for free.