I'm willing to bet France aren't getting to the final.Nor are the Englihs of course since Portugal is winning tomorrow :D
"You'll be going homw you'll be going home..."
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I'm willing to bet France aren't getting to the final.Nor are the Englihs of course since Portugal is winning tomorrow :D
"You'll be going homw you'll be going home..."
Hehe that will be a very long shot indeed :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
Hahahaha.You English really think you're the best hey?You have short term memory loss...
Holland's up 2-0 over Latvia and Germany and the Czech Rep. are tied, 1-1. Even if Holland go through, I hope the realize that they only play Latvia once. Go Ruud!
SC
Who exactly were you referring to? I appear to be the only English guy that's posted recently, and I haven't made any assumptions about how far we'll go. What I will say is that, as with every competition we're involved in, the expectation at home can reach fever pitch after any victory. Doesn't mean anything really, just the way we look at things.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
I do, of course, hope we win tomorrow. We have a number of niggling defensive problems that really need ironing out. Set pieces seem to be our worst enemy at the moment...
And I felt real sorry for the Germans tonight. They looked real bad at first, but suddenly came back really strong in the 2nd half, but just couldn't find the back of the net. Very unlucky.
Holland's in, Germany's out!
ChrisM-UK : I meant Glock17 and some english people right her ein portugal that arrogantlly think England is the best team in this Euro2004 after France...
fixed it for ya :chu:Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
Some people might argue that you're arrogant to think Portugal are the best team after France... the door, of course, swings both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
Regarding France, they may be the defending champions, but I'm not all that impressed by their performance thus far. They managed to steal that game from England, and were very fortunate in having done so.
And if Portugal beat England tomorrow, you can say you told me so. How does that grab you? However, I will stand right behind my team, and predict an England victory of, say, 2-1.
;)
Possible, if Beckham and Owen actually show up to this game.
That's one way of looking at it. They've both been very quiet thus far. Having said that, I've noticed that Owen has been reponsible for a number of assists, just not finding the net himself. Well, it's crunch time from here on in. It will be very interesting to see how we fare...Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
;)
I can't even tell if Beckham is playing. Goes 10 mins without hearing his name.
England deserve to lose this game, and I doubt they can hold on to a 1 goal lead to win it. No one is passing, no one is defending, they are all just standing around and looking at the grass.
Chris : Who says Portugal is better than France??
And who says France is the best??
Theere are no best's in football my friend.It's a very very very hard thing to evaluate.Saw France's games?
Well it's 1-1 and 30 minutes left!!:)
Let's go Portugal!Our team will beat yours Chris! :D
When was the last time England won a penalty shootout in a tournament? Before 1990?
WWWWWEEEEEE WOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was a bloody fix. Anybody care to explain what was wrong with the winning goal in the 89th minute?
(And the referee was not touched. The only pushing was between Campbell and Terry!)
And the shite continues.
Portugal was better than England in every way in this game. The England Defense looked good 2nd half, but the rest of the team was MIA. Sure, losing Rooney hurts, but the midfield did almost nothing during the game and that was the end of that.
The disallowed goal could have gone either way, but in the end England just was not as good as they thought they were and got outplayed.
What did Beckham have in 4 games? 1 good pass? Good job...
The problem is Terry hooking the goalie. Both have a right to go for it, but it looks as if Terry hooked his arm around him and the goalie couldn't get all the way up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisM-UK
Like I say, could go either way on that one. England should be more concearned with the missing Midfield, shitty penalites and just poor overall play.
Um, were we watching the same incident? The ball came off the bar, and the keeper was flummoxed and just ran at them, making a half-assed attempt at jumping for it. He was in no position to jump for it at all, and just ended up bumping into Terry. And Terry wasn't even looking at the keeper. Terry went straight up. It would be fairer to call it a foul on Terry!Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
I know the overall performance was pretty awful (you should have heard me cursing!), and losing Rooney so early was a big blow, but every decision that could have went in Portugal's favour did go in Portugal's favour. Leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth. The game should have been over at 90 minutes (with the scoreline I predicted, no less).
Side note: I personally can't see Portugal getting any further than the semis if their players keep falling over at the slightest touch. The Portugese players need to grow a set and stop diving!
:rolleyes:
Heh, that's sorta what I was thinking when I read most of your post... I haven't been at all cocky, nor do I presume to call England the best team out there. Naturally, I support them, but the level to which you criticise them is stupid. I lost count of how many times the Portugese strikers belted the ball over the bloody bar! Somebody has selective memory: the door, believe it or not, swings both ways. Portugal aren't as shit hot as people are making them out to be. The home advantage could sway it, but I'm anticipating a wake-up call very soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
;)
What nationality are you anyway, MVS?
I feel sorry for my brother. He lives on the street where all the portugese people in our town live.
He just called a few minutes ago, and all you could hear in the background was horns honking. He was yelling out the window at them.
I hope Holland faces Portugal and wins so we can go down to that street and honk our horns loudly at *them* for once. (The portugese go PSYCHO for every little victory they get. Everyone else is more laid back.)
http://www.robinsonphoto.com/Web%20S...ges/sloppy.jpg
England's performance
What a disappointing game for England. Portugal kicked their ass in every aspect, and I wouldn't have been surprised if the score was 8-1 instead. My Portuguese friends went crazy when Rui Costa scored because we all thought it was Golden Goal.
I was surprised they took out Figo so early, but it looks like it paid off. Cole and Ronaldo were scuffling every second and I'm surprised no cards were called on Cole.
The 89th minute incident was not a goal; he clearly tackled the goalkeeper. Good job Portugal, but now I believe France will win the finals.
Why is everyone so blind? I know England's performance overall was sloppy: I agree with you! But whichever way you look at it, that goal was a goal! The goalkeeper was stranded and jumped into them (or at least made an attempt at jumping, Terry was in the air before he even had a chance). But heaven forbid the hosts should lose to a last minute goal. That wouldn't be right, would it? Sheeesh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Takumi
And the score might have been 8-1 if the Portugese could keep the ball low. As I said, of the 20+ attempts on goal at least a good 75% of them were long distance shots that sailed harmlessly over the crossbar.
Was anybody actually watching the same game I was? I know I'm English, and likely to be a little biased, but you can't seriously say you didn't notice any of this?
:wtf:
I think the English are beeing arses towards Portugal.
Chris no one is making Portugal bigger than it is.That's just an excuse.We know what we are we just hope we win like verybody else.
The 89th minute "goal" was disallowed cause the english player was pressing Ricardo in the small area.
And don't say the referee was playing in our side, please.I know how it is when you lose but please try to be less biased.
We Portuguese aren't know for our physicall strength in the pitch.Of course that isn't an excuse but I point the finger to one english player who does the same tha (ONLY) Deco and Ronaldo do (the other players aren't divers my friend) - Beckam.
Oh and Takumi - Figo doens't even deserve to play!He's clearly not a good player naymore.Ive been saying this for a long time now...Even before the European...
In the end luck was on our side but even tho I'm Portuguese I think we deserved to win.
Not sure what you mean by that. Were you watching an English broadcast of the match?Quote:
I think the English are beeing arses towards Portugal.
Fair enough... I agree, we're all the same. :)Quote:
Chris no one is making Portugal bigger than it is.That's just an excuse.We know what we are we just hope we win like verybody else.
I assume by pressing you mean pushing. I watched that replay over and over, and there was no pushing. Terry jumped upward into the air, and Ricardo tried to jump up immediately afterward, pushing into Terry. The ball was going beyond Terry and he was stretching for it. To foul the keeper, he'd have to be heading in the opposite direction! No referee could have possibly called a foul for that whilst so far away. I seriously doubt whether he actually had a clear view... at the time, I heard the commentator say that the ref was a fair way away from it. The linesman signalled nothing wrong, incidentally.Quote:
The 89th minute "goal" was disallowed cause the english player was pressing Ricardo in the small area.
Sorry, but it definitely felt that way. Like I said, I try not to be biased, but I just saw clash after clash where an Englishman would get tripped down and the ref would wave to play on. This happened more readily this way round than the other. I'm just calling what I see. I'm naturally going to show some bias, and remember every good decision Portugal had more than England. It just seemed that Portugal got far too many.Quote:
And don't say the referee was playing in our side, please.I know how it is when you lose but please try to be less biased.
(By way of a side note, the referee was Swiss. England beat Switzerland 3-0 last week. Just pointing it out.)
That's funny - I don't recall seeing Beckham dive once in this game. I also saw Nuno Gomes dive a few times. I don't condone diving for any player, I think it's pretty low. But it is accepted these days that every side does it to some degree. It's a sad fact, but referees just have to be on the lookout for it.Quote:
We Portuguese aren't know for our physicall strength in the pitch.Of course that isn't an excuse but I point the finger to one english player who does the same tha (ONLY) Deco and Ronaldo do (the other players aren't divers my friend) - Beckam.
Not aimed at me, but I was also expecting more from Figo, yet he didn't cause us the most trouble. Perhaps he's just not on form... he missed a fair share of close free kicks tonight...Quote:
Oh and Takumi - Figo doens't even deserve to play!He's clearly not a good player naymore.Ive been saying this for a long time now...Even before the European...
I don't doubt that. Based on England's performance tonight, you did deserve to win. But football is a funny old game. The better team doesn't always pull the victory out of the bag. England were very unfortunate not to claw a victory out of this game. That's a fact. Possession, shots on target, all this stuff is nothing. The scoreline is what counts. And you guys sneaked this one out...Quote:
In the end luck was on our side but even tho I'm Portuguese I think we deserved to win.
;)
The same as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisM-UK
:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Then what's with the lack of any support for the side whatsoever? You're supposed to get excited, and expect them to go onto the final and win it, and then get really pissed off and call them useless when they fail! How long exactly have you been English?
;)
I'm obviously just teasing, mate, but I still reckon that was a goal. I've been reading some sources claiming that Terry's arm was on Ricardo's shoulder. This is a bit of a grey area, really. The only way people will every be satisfied in these situations is if players keep their arms glued to their sides while jumping. But you naturally use your arms to help you jump higher. If you brushes the goalkeeper's shoulder in doing so, I hardly think it constitutes a foul, least of all when the ball is already beyond the keeper and he doesn't have a hope in hell of retrieving it.
Bah... I think I'll bow out of the thread now. I've made my views clear. I feel we were robbed, but hey, nevermind. There's always next time, eh? It's only a game...
:)
Let's be fair, most of them were useless.
Defense, was the best. Cole, Campbell and the Neville's looked good.
Midfield, was gone. Scholes did nothing, though should have been left on (putting in a defender then was not good) since he was better than the alternative. Beckham? Where was he? 2 missed PK's, one good pass in 4 games. Not once did he have a free kick that looked the least bit dangerous, and put them into the wall most of the time. The man could not tackle a ham sandwich. Lampard wasn't too good either. Sure, he toughed it out and got a goal, but where was he the rest of the game? Standing around like Terry on that 1st Portugal goal, methinks.
Rooney going off hurt. Owen was playing great the first half, but the only way he got it after that was by dropping back. The passes from mid-forward were non-existant. Vassel runs a lot, but does little. Between the midfield and the forward line, there is no in play and no string of passes. I'd have to watch closely and maybe, maybe, England put 10 passes together at any one time during the game.
I'll always support them but they have to face the cold hard fact, they just don't play as good (apart from Defense) as they think they can and they lack that mental belief in themselves now that they had in Japan 2002 (where they toughed out that 1-0 over Argentina.)
That, and they fucking blow at penalties. What is that? O for 4 in penalty shootouts in major tournaments? Beckham's kick should be coming down in about 9 minutes, after it finishes orbiting the earth a few more times.
I'd love to see them win, but I've come to terms with the fact that England will never win the World Cup or Euro within my lifetime. And I plan to live another 40 years.
Oh and Owen's goal was top notch.Not every striker can do that from that position.(he was backwards to the nets once he got the ball).
But anyways Chris : if the pressing was in the penalty area it wouldn't be a fault but in football YOU CAN'T EVEN touch the goalkeeper in the small area (the little box outside the nets).You can't.
My point was, I don't think it was intentional. He didn't foul the keeper, Terry went for the ball. It looked more like an accidental brush on Terry's part, at least from what I saw. I'll see if I can dig out a rulebook or something. I'd like to know what exactly constitutes a foul on the keeper. Being in a better position than the keeper for attacking the ball shouldn't be reason for being penalised...Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
Onto you, MVS, I agree: our defense was the strongest part of the side. I'm not sure how much of an effect Rooney's early departure caused. With the way he's billed at the moment, I'm pretty sure it gave Portugal a psychological boost and us a psychological blow. That, and it removed one of the most energetic players we had from the field. I don't doubt that he would have scored had he been on for the whole game. But maybe I'm getting sucked into the hype.
Yeah, we blow at penalties. Always have done, and likely always will do. There I was, having a heart attack when the ref blew for the end of extra time, and Beckham missing the very first penalty made me fear the worst. I almost believed we could have won that shootout as it started to draw on, though. I wouldn't have picked Beckham or Vassell to miss. If anybody would miss, I would have expected it to be Terry first off. Gotta hand it to him, he had the balls to take one in the first 5...
I sincerely believe that they lost the belief when Rooney left the pitch. I don't think it would be completely unfair to say that he is the main reason we got this far. That, and some superb defensive work. But yeah, the midfield was crap. I can't pick out many instances where we actually kept the ball. It was just continually handed to the Portugese on a silver platter.
Oh, and when I said I was bowing out of the thread, I really meant out of further discussion of *that* game. I might have a follow up if my search for a rulebook turns up anything, but that will be all. I will be around for the rest of the tournament though. It'll be interesting to see who takes it...
;)
My crystal balls says that the smifinals will be
Portugal VS Sweden
Greece VS Denmark
No I'm not crazy.I think that Greece plays god damn good in defense.The only game where they were "pressed" to play offensivelly was agehnst Russia and they failed miserbaly.But in defense it's different and France are sucking a bit...
Then there is the Czechs;yes they are one great team but the Dannish play till the end and for some reason I just believe they will win...
Hope to be proven wrong and I hope we will face France in the final to avenge our honor ;)
Btw I'm very impressed with the English guys who have been talking on TV.They surely aren't the same arses that were always drunk and broke the law more than once tho...
They slauted Portugal and didn't even complain about anything.The majority also said they would be supporting portugal from now on.
What about you engish guys? :)
UPDATE: Located the rules for fouls and misconduct here...
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndR...2/05/12117.htm
It should be noted that at no time is the goalkeeper ever mentioned as being a special case to the rules: he is treated like any other player. The bottom line is that kicking, tripping, pushing, striking, charging or jumping at any opponent is a foul. And the decision ultimately boils down to the referee.
In our given scenario, Terry jumped straight up into the air in an attempt to get the ball, his arm brushing the shoulder of Ricardo. I didn't see any sign of a kick, trip, charge or strike at all, so we rule those out. I also rule out jumping, because it specifies jumping at the opponent, which he clearly didn't do (Ricardo actually jumped at him). The only thing left to assess is pushing, which brings us back to the debate. Was the goalkeeper pushed? I honestly don't believe he was. I saw Terry go up, and the Ricardo tried to jump up after him, almost trying to go through him. In stark contrast, Ricardo had his arms up and all over Terry. To me, that reeks more of a push than what Terry was doing.
The only other rule that springs to mind is that you can't "impede the progress of an opponent". Obviously, if Terry were standing on the ground and just blocked the keeper, then you could call a foul. But he was in the air going for the ball, so I don't think you can accuse him of blocking the keeper.
Unless there is some extra rule somewhere that states you cannot touch the goalkeeper (which I'd imagine should fall under the document I linked to), I fail to see what the problem was with this scenario... then again, to be absolutely sure, I'd need to see it again. And that's with a clear overhead view. I honestly think the referee gave Portugal the benefit of the doubt.
And that's the last you'll hear from me on the subject (unless someone brings something interesting to light).
;)
Regarding supporting Portugal, I'll say maybe. Everyone loves the underdog, and I would love it if Greece (who aren't usually this good) could take it. But it'd also be nice if the hosts win. What can I say, I'm strictly neutral once England invariably drop out... as long as France get knocked out, I'm happy.
:p
"impede the progress of an opponent"
Yep it's that ^ AND touching the goalkeeper.I'm absolutely sure of this man altho I can't prove it with any document.
You can touch a goalie. If you are both going for the ball and there is contact, that's incidental. Of course, this is where Ref judgement comes in.
So long as the goalie does not have posession of the ball it's legal to go after it and/or kick it at anytime.
http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004290842,00.jpg
A-Fucking-Men.
Step 2, Sol Campbell gets to be England Captain. Then Beckham will get his ass subbed off the pitch, to sit with his bitch.
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1223325.jpg
I was cheering for England yesterday (mostly because of Sven), sad to see them go especially to Portugal.
Sweden has no chance against Holland tomorrow, sadly.
edit: I fucking hate it when christian belivers win anything.
Now that's beeing an arse J2d.
Christian believers?Who ever do you mean?
Figo?Ricardo?Maniche?
No, Scolari is indeed a fanatical religious man but that's just him.
And my bet for the Holland VS Sweden fixtur eis actually a victory for the Swedes.
I don't think I'm being an arse, players (Ronaldo) thanking god for being on their side, looking up to god when shit goes wrong or right, doing that sign on the chest. When you have dedicated thousands of hours of your life you don't thank god, it's just weak.
Sweden doesn't have a half decent defence anymore, everyone here is convinced that outside of the Bulgarian match we have had luck on our side.
I see what you mean. It's almost like admitting that you don't believe you can do it. You're effectively asking for help.Quote:
Originally Posted by J2d
Then again, you might argue that it did work last night...
:sweat:
I don't want this to become a religious debate ;I respect everyone's beliefs.
And you guys don't know what was going on Ronaldo's mind (i actually saw nothing of that but i believe in you) at the time.
Greece!!!!
Woo-hoo!!!
BTW I'm German not English, get that straight. I don't think England is the best team, I was just stating that the hosts would have a tough time. They played well against what seemed to be a drained English squad and won. Good for them, Happy BITCH?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
LOL
I dind't say you were english.I clearly separated you from the drunk englishmen.
I wasn't calling you arrogant eitehr mind you, BITCH.
"Game: David Beckham's Penalty Shootout 2004"
I don't even like soccer, but this is hilarious.
:D All is well my Portuguese comrad LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
Heh, I only just read this, having jumped into the thread late. I know that England dropped out in the quarters too, so I appreciate losing isn't a nice feeling, but I'd like to ask where this legendary footballer was last night. Best player ever? Come on! Somebody's forgetting Pele, first and foremost, and countless other players from both past and present. And I think that Henry seems to be missing his va va voom...Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian
;)
Call me names, insult me if you will but I don't even consider Zidane the ebst player in the French team.
Sure he can do some tricks but that's not what I like in a good player...
I came away from this tournament with alot more respect for Zidane's abilitys than I had for them back in the world cup and previous euro. Maybe he was healthy this time or something, but he seemed actively interested in play.
Well Portugal are facing Holland in the semi finals.
I relaly thought Sweden would win but I'm happy Holland won since they play a more offensive football.And that is quite good for Portugal...
Now Greece will face either the Czechs or the Dannish...
Oh man, it would be SO NICE if we beat Portugal. It'll be time to go annoy that awfully loud enclave of portugese in my town... (similar to: throwing stones at a hornets' nest, and running)
We as in Canda?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenshin
That's not the first time I get the idea people have something agehnst portuguese emigrants...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenshin
We, as in I'm half-Dutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takumi
I have nothing against them, normally, it's just that they get really loud and fruity, driving like nuts all over the town, whenever they win something. (My brother, who works the night shift, couldn't sleep the other day. They were honking and yelling up and down that one street for about 8 hours.)Quote:
Originally Posted by PaetTD
So, we wanna see how they react to it from the other side. :p
Your not getting lucky.
By the way you describe it they look like any other football fan.
Don't forget tho - Portugal never won something so it's normal we are hyped.
Btw, 80% of Portuguese emigrants in other countries are the equivalent to american "hillbillys".
Portugal VS Greece in the final.
Wel be able to avenge our B team that played in that game.
Great, a bunch of diving, whiney, cheats who beg for a yellow card whenever they get a knock (Portugal) versus Greece who play the most negative, defending, suffocating football this side of Germany.
A shit final that I won't be watching. Not a victory for good football, really sad.
Cheats?
These "cheats" won fair and square to every team they played (except for Greece).Even with Holland where luck was at our side it was a fair victory.
As I called it way back at the start of this thread, Greece will win!!
Actually, I really like the prospect of having a Portugal vs. Greece final. I think it'll be a far more interesting final than having an England or France. I'm Greek, and I'd love to see them win, but in this case I'd be happy to see Portugal win too. The host taking the cup, or the country hosting the olympics taking it. Win-win either way, if you ask me. :)
PS:Adrian - it ain't a franch guy who's gonna tecah us to play "good football"!
Greece - 2004 Euro Cup Champions!!!!
Congratulations Spike.:)
man, you should have seen the celebrations down here.
for those who don't know, outside if greece, Australia has the largest greek population in the world.
Hellas! Hellas! Hellas! Hellas!
Have to give it up to Greece. Never would have thought it, but they played great overall and are now the Denmark of 1992.
Sans Dane with a red nose and a Mancunian Accent of course.