Why no Contra collection?

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30 Jun 2004, 11:18 AM
GameFreak

Why no Contra collection?

We have Sonic collections and now Mega Man and Street Fighter collections. Midway is putting some of their older arcade games in a collection.

Where is a collection for what used to be one of the greatest series in all of video games? Contra.

Konami let this series go down the drain, I will never understand why but they should release the original Contra and Super Contra arcade games, Contra 3 (SNES), Contra Hard Corps (Genesis) even throw in the Game Boy Contra games on one disc with a bunch of extras thrown in.
30 Jun 2004, 11:25 AM
Mzo

The NES games were better than the arcade games. They'd be nice bonuses, though.

The PC had a Konami collection that included Contra, Super C, and Castlevania 1-3. It was pretty good.
30 Jun 2004, 12:14 PM
Miniboss

It'd be great if they also threw in the Playstation Contra games.

3D > 2D

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30 Jun 2004, 12:14 PM
animegirl

I laugh at all of you and your "collections" with my emulators! :lol:
30 Jun 2004, 01:05 PM
Johnny Undaunted

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Originally Posted by Mzo

The NES games were better than the arcade games. They'd be nice bonuses, though.

The PC had a Konami collection that included Contra, Super C, and Castlevania 1-3. It was pretty good.

1) I disagree about the NES games being better than the Arcade versions.
The original Contra? Yes. Super Contra? No.

2) The Castlevania/Contra compilation released for the PC was crap and doesn't count. You would think they would throw in alot of bonuses (like the playing the Japanese version of Contra with all the added cut-scenes and graphics effects), but all we got were ROM dumps of the games and transcripts of the crappy manuals that came with the original NES game (as opposed to proper translations of the Famicom manuals). Maybe it seems that I'm asking for too much when the compilation cost only $20, but it isn't when you can get much more for free.

I'm surprised Konami never did a Contra Deluxe Pack during the early days of the PlayStation and Saturn like they did with most of their shoot-em-up series. We got a Gradius pack, a Salamander pack, a Twin Bee pack, a Parodius pack and even a fucking Lethal Enforcers pack (of course, that last one was developed by KCE Chicago), but no Contra.
30 Jun 2004, 06:41 PM
Glass Joe

Yeah, it would be nice. I would also love a Castlevania collections disc. What the fuck is Konami waiting for? Everyone else and their mother's are raking in the cash with compilations of old franchises/games.
30 Jun 2004, 07:28 PM
Frogacuda

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Originally Posted by Mzo

The NES games were better than the arcade games.

How so?

I never got this argument. The version you're more used to isn't neccessarily better.
30 Jun 2004, 08:22 PM
NoFace

Like a few have mentioned, all I want for Christmas is my two front teeth and a Castlevania collection. And not the stupid PC one.
30 Jun 2004, 08:42 PM
Wilykat

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

How so?

I never got this argument. The version you're more used to isn't neccessarily better.

The NES version of the first Contra at least was much better than the arcade counterpart. It played better, faster, smoother. And it didn't have the completely useless vertical alignment for the game. There was no reason Contra games should have ran in 'TATE', and I usually preferred the NES versions because they didn't. They were horizontal like they should have been in the arcades.

If Konami were to "fix" the arcade versions and rerelease them, I'd happily pick it up.
30 Jun 2004, 10:07 PM
AstroBlue

But would they have Probotector modes?
30 Jun 2004, 11:08 PM
Mzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

How so?

I never got this argument. The version you're more used to isn't neccessarily better.

Well, I was basing this completely on Contra. Maybe JU is right and Super C is better in the arcades, never seen it, but Contra on NES is a far better game than Contra in the arcade.

I think it controls better, I know it has more levels and bosses, and I think it's a better game all around.
01 Jul 2004, 12:46 AM
Johnny Undaunted

Well Super Contra also runs on TATE mode. The thing is that the Arcade version felt more like a true sequel, whereas the NES version was more of an expansion pack for the first game. The Arcade verson also had a few more features like upgradeable weapons and a super bomb which can be carried by the player during overhead stages. The only nitpicks I have with the Arcade version is the fact that you have to hold up to jump higher and the weapons you pick up are represented by different guns, instead of the falcon symbols with letters like in the other games. Also, TATE mode kinda made more sense in Super Contra since there were vertical-scrolling areas in the game (as opposed to the faux 3D stages in the original). Heck, the intro alone makes it a better game (the NES version is still a classic though). :p

The original Arcade version of Contra was more or less the same game as the NES game. It doesn't really have much in the way of added levels, but it plays a bit faster it seems (which is why I prefer it).
01 Jul 2004, 01:44 AM
gameoverDude

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Originally Posted by Mzo

The NES games were better than the arcade games. They'd be nice bonuses, though.

The PC had a Konami collection that included Contra, Super C, and Castlevania 1-3. It was pretty good.

I'd have liked to see remakes of the NES versions but with redone graphics and a higher difficulty level, similar to what Naxat Soft did with Double Dragon II on PCE-SCD.

I found Contra on NES and arcade to be largely the same except for one of the bosses being different. As an arcade title, Super Contra should have been maybe one or two stages longer- and some gun pickup items do look a little too similar. Something does seem a little funky with the control in overhead battles- it's almost as if your gun aim is a tad behind whenever you change direction.

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Originally Posted by Miniboss

It'd be great if they also threw in the Playstation Contra games.

Fuck that noise. I'd rather Konami get the broom out and sweep those two under the rug.
01 Jul 2004, 02:58 AM
Johnny Undaunted

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Originally Posted by gameoverDude

Fuck that noise. I'd rather Konami get the broom out and sweep those two under the rug.

They practically already did (points to the hidden timeline featured in Shattered Soldier).
01 Jul 2004, 04:58 AM
SpoDaddy

I think these compilation developers are really lazy most of the time, the games themselves almost never have a graphics upgrade or quality bonus materials. Everyone should look at Super Mario All Stars and learn from that, if you're going to sell me the same games I already bought from you over again at least spruce up the graphics.
01 Jul 2004, 09:51 PM
Contra

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01 Jul 2004, 11:01 PM
Mzo

I could have sworn I played the Contra arcade game and it had less levels... like, no mine cart level or energy zone.

Oh well.
01 Jul 2004, 11:14 PM
Johnny Undaunted

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

I could have sworn I played the Contra arcade game and it had less levels... like, no mine cart level or energy zone.

Oh well.

Well in the Arcade version of Contra, the last four stages (the snowfield, energy zone, hangar and alien lair) all takes place continously, so they all seem like one big stage when they're really four.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hzk/kommander/con1k3.html
02 Jul 2004, 12:11 PM
Yoshi

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Originally Posted by animegirl20

I laugh at all of you and your "collections" with my emulators! :lol:

Why support companies giving fans what they want when you can just steal it? Idiot.
02 Jul 2004, 01:43 PM
animegirl

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Why support companies giving fans what they want when you can just steal it? Idiot.

Maybe because they are cashing in on a nostalgia craze by charging way too much for 15 year old games. But hey, spend your money on what you want. 20 dollars for The Legend of Zelda with NO EXTRAS! Sounds like a great deal to me! *end sarcasm*
02 Jul 2004, 06:43 PM
Yoshi

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Originally Posted by animegirl20

Maybe because they are cashing in on a nostalgia craze by charging way too much for 15 year old games. But hey, spend your money on what you want. 20 dollars for The Legend of Zelda with NO EXTRAS! Sounds like a great deal to me! *end sarcasm*

That is their decision to make. It is their intellectual property. You are just a common criminal.
02 Jul 2004, 07:03 PM
animegirl

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

That is their decision to make. It is their intellectual property. You are just a common criminal.

Meh. Heard it all before. Don't care.
02 Jul 2004, 08:04 PM
Glass Joe

It's funny how you justify stealing it. They charge too much for a 15 year old game that they made and own the rights to?!?! Here is a fact, stealing is stealing no matter how you try to justify it in your head. If you heard it all before that's great, but make no mistake, you are a thief!
02 Jul 2004, 08:28 PM
lithium

Arcade Contra controls pretty poorly by today's standards, where as NES contra is pretty good. I think controls alone give NES Contra the edge over arcade.
03 Jul 2004, 12:06 AM
Timber

Lets keep all this pro -v- con emu shit out of this thread, neither side is going to convince the other to change their views.

Some collections of classic games are well worth it (see: MM Collection) while others (see: Nintendo’s GBA classic series) are ridiculous. The one from Nintendo that really gets me is Pac-Man. I can pick up Nintendo's version which is just the NES rom for $20 or go out and buy the GBA Pac-Man Collection with updates and other games for $10-$15, I mean come the fuck on N!?
03 Jul 2004, 02:34 AM
Johnny Undaunted

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Originally Posted by Xeno G

Lets keep all this pro -v- con emu shit out of this thread, neither side is going to convince the other to change their views.

Some collections of classic games are well worth it (see: MM Collection) while others (see: Nintendo’s GBA classic series) are ridiculous. The one from Nintendo that really gets me is Pac-Man. I can pick up Nintendo's version which is just the NES rom for $20 or go out and buy the GBA Pac-Man Collection with updates and other games for $10-$15, I mean come the fuck on N!?

Not to mention Mario Bros, a game which has been practically included for free in just about every Super Mario Advance title.
03 Jul 2004, 03:06 AM
Timber

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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted

Not to mention Mario Bros, a game which has been practically included for free in just about every Super Mario Advance title.

Mario Bros was one of those? I thought it was just Super Mario Bros. Donkey Kong is pretty bad too since you can just find DK '95 for the GB which has those 3 levels and about 90 more.
03 Jul 2004, 03:39 AM
Johnny Undaunted

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Originally Posted by Xeno G

Mario Bros was one of those? I thought it was just Super Mario Bros. Donkey Kong is pretty bad too since you can just find DK '95 for the GB which has those 3 levels and about 90 more.

Yep, they released it in Japan only so far.
http://www.planetnintendo.com/nindb/agb/fma/index.shtml

The Super Mario Bros. port was lame too, since they already released the original SMB years ago as SMB Deluxe with a bunch of extras (including levels from SMB2j). All the GBA port has to offer over the previous GBC version is a larger resolution.

I would had preferred if Nintendo had rather release Donkey Kong Plus as they planned as a fifth Super Mario Advance title instead of this NES-mini crap.
03 Jul 2004, 04:51 AM
Starbuck

Dude, why can't you say vertical instead of TATE ?
You think it's cool to use Japanese terms or something ?
It's vertical or horizontal, not TATE and YOKO.
03 Jul 2004, 08:57 AM
Glass Joe

Yeah, the Nintendo rereleases are a fucking rip off so I just won't buy them. It seems even more rediculous when you look at MegaMan collections. There are 10 games for 30 bucks versus 1 game for 20. I'm all for rereleases of old games, I just think they should adjust the price accordingly, but it's theirs to do with as they choose.
03 Jul 2004, 04:28 PM
Johnny Undaunted

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Originally Posted by Starbuck

Dude, why can't you say vertical instead of TATE ?
You think it's cool to use Japanese terms or something ?
It's vertical or horizontal, not TATE and YOKO.

Well I don't normally use the term TATE mode here. Right now I was only using the word because I felt like a lazy ass and tate only requires half the letters to spell vertical anyway. :p

Oh yeah, "STFU newbie" or something.
04 Jul 2004, 10:35 PM
gameoverDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeno G

Lets keep all this pro -v- con emu shit out of this thread, neither side is going to convince the other to change their views.

Some collections of classic games are well worth it (see: MM Collection) while others (see: Nintendo’s GBA classic series) are ridiculous. The one from Nintendo that really gets me is Pac-Man. I can pick up Nintendo's version which is just the NES rom for $20 or go out and buy the GBA Pac-Man Collection with updates and other games for $10-$15, I mean come the fuck on N!?

Amen. If a remake or newly released port of an older game I like hits the shelves, I buy it or wait for the price to drop if I think it costs too much. For fuck's sake, I just don't need to hear people bickering like little grade school children over emulation.

Midway Arcade Treasures and Namco Museum (1-5 & Encore) are the best ones I've seen. As for the Nintendo Pac-Man, I agree that was a faux pas on their part considering Namco has PMC out. Rereleasing PMC as a Players' Choice title while leaving the NES Pac-Man port in Japan would be a much better move.

Some of these NES classics that are arcade ports do need help. Where's the cement factory in Donkey Kong? Even the Atari XL/XE version has it, so Nintendo lacks an excuse especially when they're asking for a Jackson for just this game.

Nintendo should consider doing Museum format carts with several games a piece for $20. An obscene number of NES games could be crammed together into a 32 Megabit cartridge. While it's their decision, the choice they have made is highly questionable.
04 Jul 2004, 10:42 PM
Glass Joe

Quote:

Originally Posted by gameoverDude

Amen. If a remake or newly released port of an older game I like hits the shelves, I buy it or wait for the price to drop if I think it costs too much. For fuck's sake, I just don't need to hear people bickering like little grade school children over emulation.

Midway Arcade Treasures and Namco Museum (1-5 & Encore) are the best ones I've seen. As for the Nintendo Pac-Man, I agree that was a faux pas on their part considering Namco has PMC out. Rereleasing PMC as a Players' Choice title while leaving the NES Pac-Man port in Japan would be a much better move.

Some of these NES classics that are arcade ports do need help. Where's the cement factory in Donkey Kong? Even the Atari XL/XE version has it, so Nintendo lacks an excuse especially when they're asking for a Jackson for just this game.

Nintendo should consider doing Museum format carts with several games a piece for $20. An obscene number of NES games could be crammed together into a 32 Megabit cartridge. While it's their decision, the choice they have made is highly questionable.

Perfectly spoken, I couldn't have said it better myself.
05 Jul 2004, 01:55 AM
Johnny Undaunted

Quote:

Originally Posted by gameoverDude

Amen. If a remake or newly released port of an older game I like hits the shelves, I buy it or wait for the price to drop if I think it costs too much. For fuck's sake, I just don't need to hear people bickering like little grade school children over emulation.

Midway Arcade Treasures and Namco Museum (1-5 & Encore) are the best ones I've seen. As for the Nintendo Pac-Man, I agree that was a faux pas on their part considering Namco has PMC out. Rereleasing PMC as a Players' Choice title while leaving the NES Pac-Man port in Japan would be a much better move.

Some of these NES classics that are arcade ports do need help. Where's the cement factory in Donkey Kong? Even the Atari XL/XE version has it, so Nintendo lacks an excuse especially when they're asking for a Jackson for just this game.

Nintendo should consider doing Museum format carts with several games a piece for $20. An obscene number of NES games could be crammed together into a 32 Megabit cartridge. While it's their decision, the choice they have made is highly questionable.

Actually, I would rather they did a compilation disc for the GameCube featuring all of their pre-NES Arcade games from Sheriff to Super Punch-Out!! At least they won't have an excuse for not including the cement level in Donkey Kong. Either that or Donkey Kong Plus.
05 Jul 2004, 04:02 AM
gameoverDude

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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted

Actually, I would rather they did a compilation disc for the GameCube featuring all of their pre-NES Arcade games from Sheriff to Super Punch-Out!! At least they won't have an excuse for not including the cement level in Donkey Kong. Either that or Donkey Kong Plus.

I know I'd buy that, especially also for Radar Scope (any game that is an apparent inspiration for Juno First has got to be at least good). Unfortunately, they'd probably run into licensing hassles with Popeye- but I'd think with it being their only licensed arcade game, they should give it a shot.

One NES-era arcade game that doesn't really cut it anymore would be Mach Rider, but Nintendo could have a hot title if they made a sequel to it for GameCube.

Just an odd thought: for some reason, the default high score in DK, DK Jr. , and Radar Scope is 7650 (Namco's number). http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/i...stom/qmark.gif

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