Yay.
http://www.bethsoft.com/news/pressrelease_071004.htm
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I would have preferred it went to Bioware, but I'm thankful that it's getting a sequel at all by a good company. I've only played one Bethesda game (Morrowind), but it's a pretty fun game. I have faith this will at least be decent.
videodrone=very excited.
Also very, very excited here. There are very few companies that'd be capable of a decent Fallout sequel, and Bethesda is one.
Very cool. I just hope they keep the battle/level/attribute system. <- Bethesda's weakest link when it comes to their games. No doubt they can create the atmosphere.
So unless the decide to mess up what is lready there, i am excited.
WOOHOO!
I did not know Tony Shaloub's voice was in Fallout until yesterday.
Anyway, awesome news.
I really couldn't get into the Fallout games despite the fact that they totally seem like my kind of RPG. I loved Morrowind though so this is good news.
Awesome, good Fallout news for a change.
GARBAGE. This news totally sucks. Unless they keep it turn based, of course. Fallout with crappy fighting would make me cry.
I agree with Joust Williams. I'm not looking forward to this. Are they continuing what was already done, or starting from scratch?
I can see them throwing the isometric view out the window and making it fully 3D. I can see Fallout losing it unique feel and humor.
Um, the creator of morrowind who is also making this game is a huge fan of the fallout games. I don't think he would dare to make fallout into something it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Survival Kid
That doesn't mean shit. The guy in charge of Brotherhood of Steel said the same thing and look at what we got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
Wow, way to write the game off before, umm:
01. A screenshot is shown.
02. A character art is shown.
03. Any mention is made of the game's story, setting, characters, perspective, interface, combat system, trade system, story structure, or gameplay structure.
I go by track record. You make crappy game, you get no interest for future games.
Well, Im sure Betheseda will be distraught to lose the 2004 Tempest 2000 World Champion and coach of Atari 2600 champion from their customer base, but hopefully they can recover.
Who said they would be? Do you just post to make yourself look like a retard or something?
I answered your stupid attempt at being a jackass and you move to something completely irrelevant, which is typical for you.
Dismissing a game outright as soon as the developer is announced (who is perfectly respectable, by the way, Betheseda might not be Bioware but theyre not Acclaim or 3DO or the Brotherhood of Steel team) paints you as, well... not quite a retard but something alone those lines.
Elder Scrolls series aside, Bethesda has made alot of REALLY bad games. Even Morrowind fans can't really argue with that. Might not be a good rule with this company. They do their share of shovelware, and some stuff they really pour resources into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
A cripple?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
So wait, just because a company's best games happen to be 3d rpg's, every single game they make now will be exactly like Morrowind? Where is this type of reasoning coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Survival Kid
Only on TNL....
I'm not dissmissing the game outright. I'm just highly skeptical of Bethesda(whom I have nothing against) pulling off the Fallout feel. They may be able to do it, they may not. I'll keep an eye on the game, I'm just not going to get my hopes up.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I never said it will be exactly like Morrowind. I doubt it will be. They've already said it won't be Morrowind with guns. What I do doubt is that they will keep the classic isometric view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Only in the Fallout community...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Besides the IHRA Racing series, what crappy stuff have they developed in the past few years? They have concentrated almost entirely on Morrowind and its expansions as a developer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
They could easily use a view such as the one seen in KOTOR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Survival Kid
Bethesda creates some of the largest interactive worlds ever, and I can't wait to see what they'd do with the Fallout world. I loved Fallout 2 (never played any of the others in the series), but the fact that sometimes it felt so small sometimes got to me.
A game like Fallout 2, with the size of Morrowind, would be excellent.
It should've gone to Obsidian.Quote:
Originally Posted by SXA
But this is crazy good news.
Heh, the official Elder Scrolls board is being flooded by Fallout fans who seem just a step below Trekkies for "devotion." They're convinced it's going to fail and are already giving Bethesda shit for ruining the series.
The irony burns my very hands as i type this. but I find this as really good news, i make no claim of neutrality here,I really love morrowind, so the fact that the developers of morrowind are on this game is beyond good. will it guarentee a good game, no, but after seeing how much detail and freedom there was in morrowind, it is a very good indication that this game will be very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
i have to check that out, do you post there too?Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
IHRA was the big one I was thinking of in terms of recent stuff. Still I'm just saying, they're hit or miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Anyway, people should be skeptical of almost any developer change except maybe in cases where the original developer has been running the series into the ground. It doesn't automatically mean it'll be bad, but it's always cause for concern, even if the new dev is good at their own thing.
Yep. Same name as here.
Square also makes shitty racers. Doesn't affect their RPGs any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
The old developer doesnt exist anymore. If anything, this is analogous to Nintendo giving Metroid Prime to Retro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Yeah, the old Black Isle is toast. All their talent left. I'm glad they handed it off.
Nintendo's R&D1(minus Yokoi) still exists and makes Metroid games though so I don't think it quite parallels.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
FUCK YES!
Sure it could have gone to Bioware or Troika... but I'm think Fallout is safe in Bethesda's hands.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo!!!Quote:
IGNPC: Can we expect something similar to the work done on Morrowind, in terms of that style of game experience?
Pete Hines: Again, it's early to say, but it wouldn't be a leap of faith to say that we plan to use technologies in development otherwise. You could make some fairly safe leaps of faith that it would be similar in style. We're not going to go away from what it is that we do best. We're not going to suddenly do a top-down isometric Baldur's Gate-style game, because that's not what we do well.
I agree. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
... I think I will start bombarding Bethesda with hate mail now. And here with that press release you would think that they would keep it true to the series. :/
Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
I'm not sure what I think about this. Morrowind is the only game I've played from these guys, and though I loved it at first, it began to grate on me as time went by. We'll just have to wait on more info, plain and simple.
Now you see what I mean.
Should have gone to Obsidian or Troika. Oh well. There's always Troika's post apocalyptic RPG that they're working on.
Good call. But hey, I'm not complaining. I can't believe some of you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
:confused:
EDIT: No isometric view? Bad move. Eh, I'll still give it a chance unless it looks like complete shit.
Wow, way to get excited about a game before, umm:
01. A screenshot is shown.
02. A character art is shown.
03. Any mention is made of the game's story, setting, characters, perspective, interface, combat system, trade system, story structure, or gameplay structure.
Well, like Zeed said, R&D1 is still around and still making new Metroid games so that doesn't make sense, but for the record, Nintendo giving Metroid to Retro was cause for skepticism as well. Just because most people were happy with the end result doesn't mean that everyone should have automatically had faith in some unproven developer. Nintendo also had the courtesy to ship a traditional R&D1 developed Metroid at the same time, also.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but people just aren't going to have the same kind of confidence in a title when the developer changes, and that's perfectly rational. Even if there's no other option in this case, the lingering doubts are exactly the same.
Again, what is the big deal? Why does Fallout 3 automatically have to be in isometric view? A Fallout game is a lot more than just the fucking POV. Besides, the rationale behind Betheseda's decision to maybe make the game 3rd or 1st person is because thats what theyre GOOD AT.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
This is kinda like the shit we saw for Metroid Prime, again - people flipping out (of which I was one) because the game would be in the first person.
Why dont we be real about it and just say there's no way anything Betheseda does will please fans of the series, and they should just go back and play through Fallout 1 and 2 again?
Right. When you change from 2D to 3D, sometimes the POV changes. I don't want real-time battles, though. That's the ONE thing I'm concerned about, which is really the core of the game. Well, that and the dialogue.
Arcanum and ToEE have both been dissapointments. I don't expect much of out of Troika anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Survival Kid
I feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Since Fallout uses a ton of guns, if it turns real-time you're going to have a sub par FPS with a great RPG attached.
Yeah, that would suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
I wouldn't mind seeing a battle system that's a cross between KOTOR and BoF: Dragon Quarter. I think that would work nicely.
I like the Isometric view. I've never played a Fallout, but for some reason I get into the story more from that angle, and love gun battles from that angle as well. Probably because you can see the relative positions of your troops and your assailants, and any potential hiding spots, obstacles and options infront of you. (including running as though you're wearing a barette and eating a bagette)
It's not a big deal, but one thing that would be a big deal, which everyone has run into the ground already, is giving a game with good combat the brain numbingly dull combat of Morrowind. Morrowinds combat, to me, was like taking MMORPG combat (used as a necessity for reducing lag in the large dynamic environments) and making it worse.
The combat in SWG is actually exactly like KOTOR's, which is to me the ideal turn-based combat system. Well, there's also Chrono Cross but the days of switching to a seperate screen are at an end.
Anyway, I highly, highly, highly doubt that Fallout 3, or really any of Betheseda's future games, will use the Morrowind combat system. Because, umm, Betheseda is staffed by humans who make mistakes and also are able to fix their past mistakes. They read the reviews. They heard the complaints. Etc.
Andrew, if youre not in the mood for a long singleplayer RPG like Fallout 1 or 2, I highly recommend Fallout Tactics.
Cool, I'll check it out. I enjoyed Star Wars Galaxies combat to an extent, and it's probably my 2nd favorite MMO out there. The first is City of Heroes, simply because of the context and ability to quickly gain worthwhile powers. I always find myself losing attention quickly with MMO's. Maybe it's because I didn't have anybody to play with besides the occassional (READ: TWICE) encounter with Yoshi.
I've always known about Fallout, but for some reason I thought it was a bad space combat flight simulator like Homeworld (although Homeworlds fun).
if it were any other developer, i would agree. i love the elder scrolls series, but every single game has a shitty battle system.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Arcanum owned(turnbased anyway). ToEE, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
Thank you.Quote:
if it were any other developer, i would agree. i love the elder scrolls series, but every single game has a shitty battle system.
But Bethesda is being handed a better combat system. I really don't expect them to just disregard it. Elder Scrolls != Fallout.
Well, I'm excited. I must not have received the latest Jaded Gamer newsletter.
Yeah, but at least with the three original creators of Fallout there they can, at the very least, capture the Fallout feel and stay true to the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
Just because the original creators started the series doesn't mean they have the ability to make a decent game these days. Arcanum and ToEE were embarassments, Vampire isn't looking much better, and I'm sure that in their hands Fallout 3 would have similarly been long on great ideas and short on a decent execution of any of them. Bethesda is definitely an odd choice, but at least they can make a game worth playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Survival Kid
Ok, all this Arcanum hate has to stop. The gameplay and feel is definitely there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
Basically, if you hate Arcanum, you hated fallout. That is how much they are alike in gameplay.
wtf? I loved Fallout 2, but also felt that Arcanum was a dissapointment. The combat was the games biggest fault, I definately didn't enjoy the pseudo turn based combat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
Like it was said earlier, Troika had a game full of atmosphere and great ideas, and really dropped the ball.
You don't need to play the pseudo turnbased combat, you can play the exact same combat that is in fallout(minus IIRC the aiming for body parts) You walk up to an enemy it turns into turnbase dwith the EXACT same movement action point style as fallout. The real time combat did suck ass though, but you didn't have to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Even when I tried that, it still didn't grip me as being as refined as games like Baldur's Gate and Fallout 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
It was sad, because I really wanted to love the game.
:cry: Well, you are the one who is missing out. :cry:
Really, I even liked it more than the original fallout, then again, anygame that can make me feel like mcguyver rocks in my eyes.
EDIT: about refinement, it is does need that little polish, but really, the game is very much like a rought diamond. If you can look past it's minor gameplay faults, you get an awesome game.
Nah, I played most of the game, all the way through to the dwarf caves I think. I feel like I got the majority of my enjoyment out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
I very much agree. I enjoyed the setting, and I like what I've seen of the story, but the combat is the reason I haven't finished the game yet. It doesn't flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
I do think that TOEE had Arcanum beat in that respect. I thought the turn based combat was a real joy, it was just everything else that fell flat.
Arcanum was not an embarassment. It received plenty of praise from reviewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
Hell, even ToEE wasn't that bad.
And I see no reason whatsoever to say that Vampire is looking anything less than great. Stop talking out of your ass.
Wait, I thought TNL was the community that "didn't care what reviewers thought". It's funny how when reviewers negatively praise a game, they are "so stupid", yet when they give positive praise, they are ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Just because reviewers liked a game dosen't mean Sethsez is talking out of his ass, I generally didn't like Arcanum either as did Taloony so I guess we all must be talking out of our asses for having an opinion :(
But so bad to the point of "embarassment"?
It took me a couple of times to really get into Arcanum, and I could honestly see how someone could really be put off by the games sloppy battle system, or maybe some other detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
And while I don't own ToEE, I remember the reviews not too favorable of it. I heard it's better since it's gotten patched, though.
Would you be embarassed if your company's first RPG ever was released to critical acclaim and received the RPG of the year award from Computer Games magazine?
I didn't think so.
*gasp* You mean there are members that hold different ideas than each other? But even me and you - who are both posting on TNL - have always agreed on everything!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Yeah, it sure is funny how when people disagree with someone they say that they don't agree with that person's opinion on such but when they do agree they say that they do.Quote:
It's funny how when reviewers negatively praise a game, they are "so stupid", yet when they give positive praise, they are ok.
Yes, it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Admittedly, Arcanum wasn't an awful game. It was just very, very underwhelming.
It won't be the same without Sawyer and Avellone.
Yeah, Avellone has to be the greatest RPG writer to ever exist. Hard to top him if at all possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
EDIT: Now I am all excited about KOTOR 2.
Yeah, it was.Quote:
Hell, even ToEE wasn't that bad.
I'm sure they fixed most of the bugs. Too bad they couldn't patch all the boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
i think i need to finally play the other 2 fallout games sometime.
I missed Fallout the first time around. I got hold of it and tried to get into the game.
The story was interesting but the interface was, obviously, dated. I'm still wondering around alternating between getting slaughtered, getting lost, and getting frustrated at the interface and slow battles.
Morrowind is fantastic and I hope to see more good work from Bethesda. I still don't get what was so bad about the battle system; I liked it.
http://www.bethsoft.com/news/pressrelease_071204.htm
Even if only you ponder the URL, you will notice that this is BETHESDA SOFTWORKS' WEBSITE which might imply to you that they now are the masters of the Fallout franchise. I can think of nothing more grand.
Eh.. figures.
Thier parent company ZeniMax publishes tons of crap. Not to say Bethesda is responsible for that. I only know of TES and IHRA.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
According to mini review in November's Game Informer, Fallout 3 is going to use TES: Oblivion's gorgeous engine.
Apparently the humor is still there, and the story goes as this.
You've spent the first 20 years of your life living underground, and that you have to venture above ground and you wear a special pair of goggles because your eyes aren't used to the sunlight. However, once your eyes get accustomed to the light, the goggles can come off.
Also, the game will be set in a "familiar US city", and will be of "the most original and violent games ever". Also the series will feature everything out of the previous games intact, but with deeper gameplay and immersion.
The game is now in pre-production stages.
I think it'll be good. Fallout 1 and 2 are among my favorite games ever, so I don't think it'll be up to calibur with them, but good nonetheless. Definitely looking forward to it.
You ever played Fallout Tactics?Quote:
Originally Posted by SXA
It's pretty damn good too.
Any recent word on this? My guess is the Fallout team's been pulled to help finish Oblivion. Maybe get back to work on it next year? See the game by Xmas 2006? That little blurb up there about the goggles sounds awesome.
Compass, I know you meant well, but having this thread bumped when there is no real news made me sad. :( I'm like 97% sure it will be great if/when it comes out though.
Haha, sorry. Didn't mean to make ya sad. If I could de-bump I would.
Not sure how long this has been up.
http://fallout.bethsoft.com/
Liam Neeson is voicing the main character's father. And it's described as a "lead role," so I'm guessing they aren't gonna pull an Emperor Septim.
The teaser site has new concept art up. This time it's a ruined Washington DC.
I've had nothing but negative feelings about this from day one, but I'm really liking the concept art so far. The song that plays at the site is pretty good too, if a little too fantasy themed. Hopefully they stick with the more ambient sounds for most of the game.
http://fallout.bethsoft.com/
The teaser trailer's only five days away. Anyone else excited? Guardedly optimistic?
Not much to say right now, other than the concept art looks nice.
This could be amazing.
I demand more 1950s commercial art, or I'm going to be sorely disappointed.
If it doesn't start with "War..War never changes." it isn't Fallout. Keep that in mind. Oh and to bring up something form years ago addressed in the thread; Arcanum was fantastic and anyone who thought otherwise either has 0 taste or is rampantly fronting.
Arcanum had major issues. You may have enjoyed it, but to just say it's fantastic and leave it at that is misleading at best.
Okay, let me elaborate; great setting (fantasy / steampunk had never been done successfully till Arcanum), a versatile system (no warrior, wizard, druid bullshit, you could make your character anything you wanted from a spell slinging gun-fighter to a mad-bomber), great story (characters, factions, etc. interacting and having relationships that break the overplayed fantasy mold).
There, a laundry list of what made Arcanum fucking awesome.
And not a single mention of any of its downfalls, which are behind its middling to bad reviews, and lukewarm consumer response. The good aspects you list haven't ever really been in contention.
First off, consumer response isn't any indication of a game's quality. As someone who buys f-chan games that barely sell a dozen copies I would think you'd know that intimately. Second, I've read the reviews and I find most of their criticisms either ill-founded or time sensitive. All of the game-killing bugs are long since gone, so if anything the game deserves a sweeping re-review. Arcanum now is not nearly the buggy mess it began, and a lot of people are missing out on a great title.
Arcanum also has a boneheaded system where you get experience for attacking enemies, not killing them.
Technologists also tend to be far weaker than mages, due to the far greater abundance of dropped magical items and the relative scarcity of technological items. Even when you do get your hands on some relatively nice firearms and other weapons, they tend to be weak and very expensive to keep using.
The first character I made was a technologist and he kicked ass, he had a rifle that could one-shot a helluva lot of stuff as well as shit like the spider bot to cover his ass. Then if all else failed he had an assortment of explosives to send a motherfucker's way.
Sure, playing the magic side was easier, but the tech side was ultimately more rewarding.
Will it be out on xbox360 as well?
Don't think anyone has said anything about platforms, yet. I'd be surprised if it didn't, though.