Hitomi in DOAU!!

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Originally Posted by Changeling

I was so pwned , huh. You got me on some history. Yeah whatever. You mention PC games that were good during the crash. We are talking console games, you fucking poof. I am talking about Japanese developers that created the modern platformer . a developer that practically started action/adventure. These men created worlds and stories, not just blips and bleeps that you "American" forefathers did.
You can bet your sweet as that if it wasn't for Nintendo's 8 bit system coming out in the mid 80's, that console gaming would not be here today. We would be playing games on the PC and PC only. You Amreican "forefathers" would have been content to let console gaming pass as another "fad"
So please come back at me again and so on and on and on and on...... Then you can just say "you're not worth my time.......pwned"

diffx wins......the cocksucker award :link:

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What rambling trash.

Anyway, Ill just comment on one thing, this nonsense about "blips and bleeps". LOL! Games like Ultima III were basically copied by Square (Final Fantasy), Enix (Dragon Warrior), and Nintendo (Legend of Zelda) and were dumbed down for consoles. The structure and style of the game was copied outright. When the developers of games like Ultima, Bard's Tale, Wizardy, Wasteland, etc., were moving past that type of design, console developers were basically fiddling with the same nonsense. There's really nothing fundamentally different, more interactive, more role-playey in FFX-2 or Wind Waker. A lot of people talked about how interactive and what not 1999's Shenmue was, but it was just trying to do what Ultima VII did, in 1991. So you're just talking out your ass here.

Oh, and what's this bullshit with "American" and "forefathers" in quotes? Videogames started in America. Videogames were invented by Americans. Third party publishing was a concept invented by Americans. Americans popularized videogames. This is a fact. Videogames are an American thing, adapted by the Japanese. Not the other way around. If you deny this or try to make up some sorry ass garbage about this and that and semantics you're just wasting your time, because you're wrong.

So, once again... STFU and come back when you know what you're talking about. Im not gonna try to respond intelligently to idiots who cant do anything more than call me a cocksucker when I correct their stupid bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Changeling

We wouldn't be playing the same KIND of games that we did when Nintendo came out. I am not taking anything away from the master system, but in my opinion, the Master system couldn't hold a candle to the NES (except for Phantasy star)

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I think we would be playing the same kind of games because these genres weren't invented on the NES. This was the '80s and most Japanese game styles originated in the arcades. Consoles were still mostly receptacles for downgraded arcade style games. The arcade industry didn't crash. And I was using the SMS as an example of how Nintendo isn't the only company that could have popularized console gaming. The quality of the system wasn't relevant to my point(although the system was awesome). It's all about marketing.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Games like Ultima III were basically copied by Square (Final Fantasy), Enix (Dragon Warrior), and Nintendo (Legend of Zelda) and were dumbed down for consoles. The structure and style of the game was copied outright. When the developers of games like Ultima, Bard's Tale, Wizardy, Wasteland, etc., were moving past that type of design, console developers were basically fiddling with the same nonsense.

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Super Mario Bros. also borrowed from Pitfall, a game made by Americans.

I don't see where Diffx gets Kojima as a washed-up has been, yet praises the KING (or maybe I should say Lord?) of washed-up has beens Richard "Gaming's First Cosplayer" Garriott. If you don't believe me then we can just compare the domestic sales of MGS3 and Tabula Rosa. I think the figures will speak for themselves.

Now, don't get me wrong, I know as well as the next gamer that the concept of videogames is All-American, but their are still quite a few good developers in Japan. Simply because the bulk of good game development has gone to the U.S. and Europe doesn't mean there isn't anything left in Japan.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

I don't see where Diffx gets Kojima as a washed-up has been, yet praises the KING (or maybe I should say Lord?) of washed-up has beens Richard "Gaming's First Cosplayer" Garriott. If you don't believe me then we can just compare the domestic sales of MGS3 and Tabula Rosa. I think the figures will speak for themselves.

Now, don't get me wrong, I know as well as the next gamer that the concept of videogames is All-American, but their are still quite a few good developers in Japan. Simply because the bulk of good game development has gone to the U.S. and Europe doesn't mean there isn't anything left in Japan.

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Garriott's Ultima Online did revolution online gaming, you know, but yea that was in 1997. Is he past his prime? Definitely, and Tabula Rosa doesnt look that hot. But in any case, I wasnt talking about Garriott 2004, I was talking about Garriott 1984, when he was still awesome and changing gaming. Just like I wasnt talking about Miyamato 1988 or what not. And the guy is crazy. Very crazy.

Uh

You were 2 years old. How about stop talking about stuff you have no clue about.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

Uh

You were 2 years old. How about stop talking about stuff you have no clue about.

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Uh

I played the games, asshat. I've also, through the magic of technology, been able to play games that came out before I was born. Oh, and Ive even seen movies that came out before I was born! Amazing, right?

But I guess that doesnt matter too much in your fucked up little world, does it?

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Uh

I played the games, asshat. But I guess that doesnt matter too much in your fucked up little world, does it?

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Unless you play it the week it comes out it means NOTHING.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Uh

I played the games, asshat. I've also, through the magic of technology, been able to play games that came out before I was born. Oh, and Ive even seen movies that came out before I was born! Amazing, right?

But I guess that doesnt matter too much in your fucked up little world, does it?

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Comebacks don't need to be that virulent. Try and reign it in.

You're missing the point. You're just trying to talk like you're some kind of "hardcore" gamer because you played the original Ultima, which is total crap.