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We have had some general talk about the Movie but once I see this on Fri I would like to talk about Spoilers and go over key points, so nobody bitches about tags all the Spoilers can go here. I have personal specualtion on what the creatures may be but we will wait and see.
Good idea. My friend will go see Village on Friday, and then I will make him tell, it its ghosts of aliens, are the ones that terrorize the Village folk :lol:
Wait, Despair you're not gonna see it?
It could be a guy with super powers.
Dude, it's Barbara Streisand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Despair
Well we know it's gonna have a twist ending but a rehash of
anything M Night has done before would kill the Movie.
They're native americans.
Nah Streisand and Native Americans are not scary.
The people living in the village are actually teh dead!
Streisand dressed as NA squo Is frightening :lol:
Korian, I want to see this, but I got too much to do around the house (with house painting and all), that I barely have time to breathe :(
I suppose that's a possible scenario but after the Sixth Sense I'd hope it would be something more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SearchManX
Come on Despair Don't let your Friend spoil it for you, it's much more fun to be shocked yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Despair
Heh - I thought of this a couple days ago, but all of Night's recent films have a supernatural element. This theory feels too mundane to me.....unless you mean skinwalkers (shape-shifting shamans) or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lobo
The official press release calls them "mystical creatures", and I don't see any reason to expect they're anything but exactly that. Haley Joel Osment said he saw dead people in previews for The Sixth Sense, and crop circles like the ones in Signs are often attributed to aliens.
I think the creatures of The Village have something to do with 18th-19th century legends - trolls or goblins of some type. Each of Night's last three films deal with a myth that he makes into reality (ghosts, superhero, aliens), and I don't think that trend will change. His last three films have made $1.3 billion - why go away from what's been bringing results? I also expect there to be more preachy morality, but hopefully not to the level of Signs.
But we'll know soon enough. Perhaps it'll be something completely new. In any case, I'm looking forward to The Village a lot - not only is the cast great and the premise very intriguing, but I think Night's films have gotten progressively better.
edit - I also doubt the people of The Village are dead.
By the end of the movie, I am sure some of them will be ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMechanic
Yes "Mythical Creatures" I'm hoping will be some sort of Sasquatch/Bigfoot type of Angle, with the moral being we must share the woods with them,and the creatures are actually trying to help the people in the Village of a oncoming Danger. It could go a number of ways, but something about the color "Red" from the previews seems to play an important role.Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMechanic
well if red attracts them......they have to be bull men!
It could be Mecha Streisand :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Good one, Despair..Quote:
Originally Posted by Despair
As for M. Night's movies getting better? I disagree, Signs was very lacking... it had some suspense but just felt like it fell flat on its face. We saw one alien that was a guy in a rubber suit... no twists like Sixth Sense/Unbreakable...
Sixth Sense > Unbreakable > Signs
I sure hope The Village breaks this declining trend...
Dead Aliens, who can't be re killed....
It's all about drugs, the Village people unknowingly digest hallugens and just THINK there's monsters.
Hey guys, lets roleplay. I'm an alien who's only true poison is water. Everyone got that? Okay, now I have this awesome idear, what we can do is use our extreme technology to invade a planet that's 70% comprised of what we are deathly alergic too, and try to enslave a race that's made up almost entirely of water. It's crazy! But I think it could work!
Now I'm expecting two or three casualties, and don't forget about sophisticated guns and technology, our species, despite reaching interstellar flight, acts and reacts to situations like locked doors with puzzlement. I don't think the humans have doors anyway. Like I said, it's a crazy idea and makes no sense whatsoever!
M. Night is a talented director, but he's a shitty writer.
the creatures are superhero ghost aliens, and the only way to beat them is to move near the water.
M. Night is a genius.
and anyone see that M. Night special they did on Sci-Fi? i saw like a few minutes of it before changing to something else, and it seemed to make him look like some fucked up weirdo who could see dead people when he was in elementary school.
Werewolves, who are attracted to red because of little red riding hood.
i bet the twist in the end is that there is no twist.
an untwist! WHAT A GENIUS!
From what I read about, SciFi channel special was pretty awfull. All they did was to try to paint the director to look like a weirdo, and hype the movie (simular to what was done to Blair Witch Project).
Andrew, How about Aliens who are allergic to water, running around in the high corn in the wee hours of the morning, when there are alot of dew on the vegetation and try to scare poor Mel Gibson :p
I just hope it doesnt turn into morality tale bullshit, like Signs did.
The thing that bothered me most about Signs was the spiritualism of Gibson's character, but it wasn't vital to the plot, and I can ignore it easily.
As for the alien/water issue, it seemed pretty obvious to me that the aliens were absolutely desperate. They'd have to be, in order to invade a planet that was largely poisonous to them. The fact that there's water in the air made them so weak they couldn't break down doors or fight very hard, and their entire "invasion" was turned away overnight. As for their technology, perhaps they used up all their weaponry trying to invade other planets and only had minimal transportation left. It's speculated that the aliens came to harvest humans, but we never find out why.
In the end, however, these details didn't matter much to me. The film wasn't about the alien invasion - it was about a normal family reacting to catastrophic events beyond their understanding. Mel, Joaquin, and the two kid actors all did a fantastic job communicating their fear and confusion, and I thought Night relayed their fear and suspense in a brilliant fashion without being gratuitous or exploitative.
I hated Sixth Sense, maybe because I guessed the end as soon as Bruce Willis got shot. From there, it seemed to me the entire film relied on the twist ending and manipulated the audience the whole time. The main thing that kept me interested was the performance of Mercedes Ruehl.
With Unbreakable and Signs, Night has become progressively better at creating and maintaining atmosphere. The guy's only 33, and is just coming into his prime. I do think he's not the greatest writer in Hollywood, but at least his plots are original and interesting. His strengths are his camera-work (cinematographer Tak Fujimoto also deserves credit), and his ability to get amazing performances out of his actors without overwriting their characters.
With The Village, I expect this growth to continue, especially since he's got actors the caliber of William Hurt and Sigourney Weaver, not to mention Joaquin Phoenix again. Bryce Dallas Howard is reportedly incredible as well.
I don't really care if there's a twist, or what the twist is, to a certain extent, although I'm very intruigued by the mystery. I'm mainly excited about the film because I think Night is a highly talented visual artist whose work behind the camera is unique among current mainstream directors. For me, the plot is secondary.
M. Night said on the Stern show yesterday that "The Village" is a period piece, so whatever rituals the people are doing are probably to some sort of demon with a connection to fire (or something else with that water bane that has been prevalent in his films). A balrog, maybe, or an ifreeti? Perhaps a red dragon?
Note that Crowe never took his jacket off.Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMechanic
A little fun regarding the camera work and cinematography - watch through Unbreakable again and point out as many scenes as you can which have borders to them just like a comic book. For instance, the opening sequence is shown in the mirror.Quote:
His strengths are his camera-work (cinematographer Tak Fujimoto also deserves credit), and his ability to get amazing performances out of his actors without overwriting their characters.
Almost EVERY scene in Unbreakable could be framed into a comic book. They also gave him a subtle superhero uniform (his security poncho and baseball cap). It was a well done movie, it's just that the ending was shit. They basically did a made-for TV ending where he didn't properly close out the movie and that's what made a lot of people mad at this movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
It was still awesome.
I thought the entire plot was Mel's character regaining his faith in god because he tells him (in Mysterious Ways) how to defeat the aliens.Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMechanic
Like Andrew pointed out, a race intelligent enough to be space-faring wouldn't be so dumb as to attack a planet without any research... how do you miss that your species is allergic to 70% of the planet?
And couldn't you just come back with waterproof suits and own anyway? Or robots. Or shoot them from space. Whatever.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Yeah, I think Shamalamadingdong's movies have gone consistently downhill since Sixth Sense. Hopefully he'll get this one right.
And whoever mentioned that the "beasts" are Native Americans may be on to something.Especially when he mentioned on Stern that it was a period piece.This theory gets my vote as to what these beasts are, over the Mecha Striesand and the Bull-Men suggestions. :p
I overlook the writing gaps because despite them the movie is well done, and the suspense M. Night brings to the table is unchallenged by other film makers of recent, so I respect that. Signs was a good movie in the way it presented its story, in the way it built relationships and explored the characters. But people make M. Night out to be an amazing writer... he's not. He's an amazing director.
Just read this on other board:
Oh, So back to the popular belief that only stupid teens enjoy horror movies, and thats why they can be looked down upon. And thrillers are much better !!!!Quote:
I was reading The National Post today, and came across an article on M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village". An interesting article on what looks like an interesting movie, but one thing concerned me...
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...The deal is simple: The creatures leave the country folk alone if they stay out of the woods. Things, of course, go horribly wrong. They usually do in Shyamalan's world...But don't lay the horror thing on Shyamalan, because he's already reviewed the formula and the terror equation doesn't add up. "Let's talk business for a second" says [Shyamalan]. "As soon as a movie goes from thriller to horror, you lose the audience. Thrillers get everyone. With horror you lose everyone but teenage boys."
Whatever Mr. Night.
He's absolutely right, from a business standpoint.Quote:
"Let's talk business for a second" says [Shyamalan]. "As soon as a movie goes from thriller to horror, you lose the audience. Thrillers get everyone. With horror you lose everyone but teenage boys."
He didn't say that horror films are "worse" than thrillers - just more niche a product. He's going for a wider audience, so he's making the right choice.
Making an effective horror film is much much easier than making an effective thriller. With a horror film, you can throw a bunch of blood on the screen and get your target audience to squirm. With a thriller, you have to make people uneasy, which is a totally different sensation. You have to get into the psychology of people - what makes them uncomfortable and so on - and then translate that visually. It's not easy to do, and more difficult under a PG-13 rating, which Night always aims for (again, to expand his audience).
Not only is he a talented director, he's a smart businessman.
Maybe. Or it could have all been coincidence, and Graham chose to interpret it the way he did. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that the family was severely tested due to the events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Like I mentioned earlier, I thought the aliens were totally desperate. Their invasion of Earth was an all-or-nothing suicide run. They knew the planet was poison to them, but for whatever reason, they had to try. All they had left was their poison gas for weapons - everything else was useless or destroyed. Who knows? I don't think the reasons behind the invasion were important - what mattered was how the invasion affected the family. At least that's how I look at it.Quote:
Like Andrew pointed out, a race intelligent enough to be space-faring wouldn't be so dumb as to attack a planet without any research... how do you miss that your species is allergic to 70% of the planet?
And couldn't you just come back with waterproof suits and own anyway? Or robots. Or shoot them from space. Whatever.
Agreed on all points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
M Night is a great director but I wish he would stop making
cameos in his own Movies, there's a reason for this though
and it is quite simple.
Apparently Spielberg does cameos in all of his movies too. Who cares? It's his movies and it's not like he's in a huge role. He probably wants to get into acting eventually.
It's an ego stroke, and for the types of Movies he does it
becomes glaring and can hurt the story.
No it can't. There's no difference between him playing a cameo or some other actor doing the job. He knows what he wants. If you were bothered by him being in his own movie you are overly sensitive.
Quick, don't forget to call him a nerd.
An M.Night Shamalan nerd? No, that would be borderline homosexual stalking.
For interested here is bunch of clips and extras from the movie :)
http://bvim-qt.vitalstream.com/TheVi...f8876_1500.mov
http://bvim-qt.vitalstream.com/TheVi..._6453_1500.mov
http://bvim-qt.vitalstream.com/TheVi..._9451_1500.mov
http://bvim-qt.vitalstream.com/TheVi..._1638_1500.mov
Goddamn, I want to see these frickin' monsters already. They look like hunchbacks with red, thorned cloaks from the clips you see, but i really cant tell.
I'ma find me a torrent of this real soon. Then, screen caps for you all!
i've figured it out. going by what Rhydant just said, the monsters are mini-versions of the "wolf" creature from Brotherhood of the Wolf.
Well I guess the script going around a few months ago was a fake because with the ending it had it wouldn't be getting the reviews that it is now. Everyone was saying that it was released just so everyone would get thrown off as far as the "twist" goes. Guess they were right.
Well it's Friday guys, I won't be back in here til later this
eve, but I'm catching a Matinee. Have fun!
dude, it's thursday...
Hahaha.
:lol: Korian posts from the future !!!! :lol:
I might be going to see a midnight showing of this movie today, so I will post impressions if I do go.
I heard you like white guys, is that true?Quote:
Originally Posted by animegirl20
P.S. Korian, hahahahahahaha
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
It would be funny to see his reaction when he tries to catch the matinee...
I live in Texas, I'm a rockstar, and a paleface.Quote:
Originally Posted by animegirl20
Holla!
I won't cut you up and leave you behind a Circle K. Really!
Positive review.
No major spoilers.Quote:
The Village is a remarkable improvement on anything Shyamalan has done before. In fact, it’s so much of an improvement that compared to this, The Sixth Sense feels like a second-rate student film; and that’s saying something.
I just got out of an employee screening of this and this movie makes unbreakable look good. M. Night shows that writing is not one of his better qualities since the dialogue just becomes laughably bad and i called the twist a mile away. So the big twist is.....
Here it comes!!!11!!!
The village actually takes place in modern times and the elders of the village all met in a counseling center for murder victims somewhere in New York inwhich the leader of the village is infact a billonaire who builds the village in the middle of a huge nature preserve to create a simplistic society without money or crime. Oh and the creatures were all just made up by the elders.
If this is true, I want to cry.
Me too, because I read so quickly that I saw everything he typed by just scrolling the page.
This is a spoiler tag:
Spoiler tags are not hard to use
Hit the "reply" button to learn how to make your very own! Fucking amazing!
Spolier tags aren't even suppose to be necessary in this thread since this is the "offical spoiler thread".
Whoa.... so, wait. Thats really it?
Er, wtf was that? Ah, just the bullshit detector. It seems to go off alot 'round these here parts.
And sadly, a bunch of people, including a friend who works at a theater, have since also told me that that's the real ending.
Goddammit, why did he feel the need to make The Amish Matrix? "We really exist in a bizarre future with cars and computers and Krispy Kreme, oh my!"
Shit.... i just read the same thing on AICN... god damn....
I'm not even sure what to think.
Must find torrent.
Man, Ebert hated this quite a bit. He gave it 1 star, and does some funny commentary on it, and its flaws :)
http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert...illage30f.html
:lol: Just read the "twist" description, and its just sounds really, really, realy STUPID.
"Amish Matrix" :lol:
Well, This again shows that Mr Nights is overrated. He is a great director, but please keep him away from writing and acting.
That review is pretty harsh =X
The dialogue being bad is one of the clues. In the very beginning, it's more pronounced and you're thinking "something isn't quite right here".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
Also, I think all of you who read what was in this thread before actually seeing the movie, just ruined a really great film for yourselves.
There is a moment in the film, after the monsters are revealed to be fake, when it starts to look like maybe they werent really fake afterall. Lots of tension in that scene.
Regardless of what Rico says, I think the acting (especially from the main character) was really good.
Yes, I called the twist about halfway through the movie, but just 'cause I guessed at it, doesn't mean I wasn't still wondering all the way up until it was revealed.
Fuck the haters.
I guarantee this movie is gonna go down like Blair Witch. I started hearing about Blair Witch about a year before it came out. The stuff was treated as news, not as a movie. Then, closer to its release I saw the internet site, and of course the documentary thing (the one that looked like a film you'd see in school). Then, the movie got it's limited release (just 13 cities) and that's when I saw it (at the historic Charles Theatre in Baltimore). Blair Witch is one of my favorite movies ever.
BUT...
Once everyone found out about the hoax of it, it just tore everything down. And most people heard that it was fake way before they saw it. Going into it knowing it was fake, ruined the whole point of it, and then people ripped on the movie.
I fear the same thing is going to happen to The Village.
Fake or not fake, wouldnt help Blair Witch. It was friggin boring, and people overhyped the hell out of it.
In case of the Village, the most of the movie might be good, with great atmosphere and all, but come the said "twist" people would feel cheated, and that pretty much might kill any liking for the movie, even if you were enjoying it before.
Oh well, I will see it for myself anyway, spoiler usually dont bother me much anyway, and if its done well, it will be unsettling even if I know the story. Signs was like that for the first half, even though I knew about Aliens and the ending.
The problem is that M. Night builds his movies entirely around the twist. Unbreakable wasn't as dependant on it, and The Sixth Sense didn't need the twist to BE a twist (the story was about a dead man who doesn't know he's dead... M. Night just decided to hide it from the audience as well), so both of those turned out okay. But Signs... the little girl's quirk was just stupid and existed solely to set up the ending.
But with each of those movies, at least the twist fell in with the movie's theme. Sixth Sense was still a ghost story, Unbreakable was still a superhero's origin, and Signs was still about an alien invasion. The Village pretends to be a period horror piece, and it isn't.
M. Night needs to make a movie that doesn't rely so heavily on a last-minute twist. It was great in Sixth Sense, but in every movie since then it's felt more and more like a cop out, and eventually he's going to have to branch out a bit or risk losing the public's interest. Since he's so fond of Hitchcock and Serling, he should realise that even they didn't put a major twist in every story they did. Sometimes, it's just not needed.
:lol: That's the funniest Ebert review I've ever read. The guy is hilarious, using gaboling and slyly shortening Those Who Have No Names name with , etc. This is why he's such a brilliant critic.
Just got back from seeing it, and I think it's the most pompous piece of trash I've seen in a long time. Twist be damned, the only good thing about this movie was the direction. I guess I'd say the acting was good, too, but the dialog is so awful that I had to constantly stifle laughs.
And whatever happened to the Shyamalan who was able to write compelling characters in Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and Signs? I didn't care about a single character in this movie, and most of them were just a single personality trait.
This is why I stay out of Cinemania.
I don't agree with any of you, and I don't care about it enough to argue.
You stay out of cinemania because people disagree with you? Whatever.
Okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
You've said your piece and if you've nothing else to say then why would you remain here? (Other then to reply to my wonderful response)
I saw the movie today and I disliked it. Boo.
On a side note, Harold and Kumar go to White Castle was fucking hilarious.
hehe....you SO owned him on that one :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
Signs was a pretentious religious lecture that happened to feature the worst planned alien invasion ever.
The Village is much better. Sure it's not going to blow your mind with a Sixth Sense like super twist, but it's still pretty captivating and above all else it's a well told story. If you're paying attention there's plenty of hints as to what's going to happen, even at the very beginning.
So yeah, it was good. Now I want to see M. Night break away from this rut and try something different, or at least give us an Unbreakable sequel.
Well, Spoke to my friend who just seen it tonight, and he hated it quite a bit. He did mentioned good direction, good atmosphere of mystery in the first half and good performances by Wiliam Hurt and other actors, except Brody, whose character was aggravating. But the what he called "fuckin dumb ending" really spoiled the movie.
why couldn't it have just been a straightforward thriller without a fucking twist? Like actually have real threats out there in the woods? also, i often find that evil creatures work better when you can't see them - or something... anyway
People who hated this movie and like absolute shit like Dude wheres My Car, Dodge Ball and Zoolander should move to North Korea...
Your taste in movies is horrible.
Talk about comparing apples to oranges those movies are comedies while the vilage is an unintentional comedy...damn...lQuote:
Originally Posted by JMET
:lol: And why would that be susan? I call you Susan because you seem to have misplaced your balls, or handed them in for a urethra.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMET
This movie is fucking horrible. I wish I saw Harold and Kumar again. The whole theatre laughed when the brody stabbed that other guy.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
The auidence burst out laughing at least a half dozen times during the movie and the only reason I did was because of how horrible it was. I had a slight hope for it when Ivory ran into the monster but then they showed that the retard stole the suit and I so wanted to sneek into Harlod & Kumar and leave the people I was watching it with.
[edit]
and the best thing about this movie, by far, was seeing the Batman teaser on the big screen before it
I didn't like any of those movies, but it's not like The Village is any more intelligent than they are. It's a really bad episode of the Twilight Zone, only more plodding and with worse dialog. They could have had there be real monsters in the woods, or they could have let the audience in on the secret from the beginning... either would have worked. But this is just a plot-hole ridden mess, and unlike Signs, it's not able to make up for the gaping plot holes with compelling characters, because it doesn't have any.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMET
Best thing for me was drinking my White Cherry Icee. They really fucked up the part with the second monster. It would have been cool if the village elders thought the monsters didn't exist but they did. Why the fuck was the retarded guy out there in a monster suit anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeno G
For the record..I didn't know the bitch was blind until I leaned over and asked my friend...and she laughed at me...it was 55 minutes in and brody just stabbed the guy.
Incidentally, it was worth the money just to see a retard and a blind chick running full-tilt through the brush.
Yeah, blind people running full speed in a forest without tripping. Awesomeness.
And another thing!
They never explained why Ivory saw certain colors for some people and they never had her tell what color her man was (I can't remember his name for the life of me right now). That had me slightly interested as well and it was left wide open and forgotten in the last half hour or so.
When she was running along the path at full speed while waving the stick in front of her randomly, I considered for a moment if this movie was just a big joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
The entire auidence at my showing was laughing uncontrollably at that scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
The only saving grace for this pile, aside from the fact that with the right friends and a mind altering substance is would be MST GOLD, is the very slim chance that it's a commentary on the current state of our country. Even then, it's a genius idea with awful execution.
Unbreakable good, sleepy now.
The movie wasnt the best thing ever of course, but... it was good for what it was.
I was slightly let down because my expectation was that the movie was going to be more, fantasy/sci-fi/horror or whatever and then ended up not really being any of those.
It had too many dull points and it didnt scare the audience enough, the ending I could have lived with had they actually worked with what the were presenting the movie to be in the trailers.
Everyone has a urethra idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Dude... really... dont try so hard. :bang:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
well......he must have 2?
No, what it says about our country is that while half way decent movies get shit on people actually find drek like dodge ball and dumb and dumberererererer to be good movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
Yes I did hand in my balls, I got married afterall. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
But.... at least ive had pussy. :p
But anyways, the movie was ok... wasnt as good as I was hoping... now I have to go see I-Robot and Bourne Supremacy.
this might be a dollar theatre movie for me. the idea sounds cool, albeit far from what i was expecting.
The trailers lied to us. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
trailers do that a lot........
And mood, Signs did that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
Also, those movies are 'dumb', but they don't pretend to be otherwise, and if you look at Zoolander it's dialogue and ideals are quite smart presented dumb, although the overall story isn't. They're comedies. If you laugh, they're good, if you didn't they're not. I find it funny he'd even judge them together with The Village.
Suddenly we're all surfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMET
I'd give it a 6/10. Some nice technical aspects save it from being horrible. As for the story, I would have liked for them to actually find out the monsters were real or something, but I'm just a hobbit loving fantasy fag, so what do I know?
And exactly how did Noah, (I think that was Brody's character's name) being the raving retard he was, find Ivy in the woods? He puts this suit on, runs into the woods unseen, and somehow finds her, and besides, how does he even know she was in the woods? Wasn't he locked up? And what was he trying to do out there, anyway? Scare her into coming back?