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"Nintendo allowed MSNBC to play through the first level of Metroid Prime, and the game far surpassed all expectations. A first-person perspective adventure, this game stands poised to do for GameCube what the multimillion seller GoldenEye 007 did for Nintendo 64."
well, i guess my only concern here is...well, was he really even expecting much from the game?
anyways, aside from GameSpot and IGN, Steven Kent also seems to be ass raped by Metroid Prime.
Has it occurred to you that the game might actually be good?
I will hold all judgement on Metroid Prime until I actually play the damn thing. But still, there's something wrong about the new Metroid being a FPS.
I think Metroid as a FPS is awesome. I didn't really care for Metroid much as it was 2D, but kinda liked the story and such behind it, so anything that will draw me to a Metroid game is good as far as I'm concerned.
i guess i did sorta come off as if i thought the game would turn out to be bad.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Has it occurred to you that the game might actually be good?
but actually, im looking forward to this game a lot, im sure it'll be extremely good.
what i was just trying to stress was that, the people (IGN, GameSpot, Steven Kent) who infact have seen a good ammount of gameplay, or have played the game are all ass raped by the game. i haven't heard of anyone at all being disapointed by the game (for those who have played/seen a good ammount of gameplay).
the games development started off bad and all, but i was never worried that it would be a bad game just cause it's an FPS, i mean, this is a Nintendo game after all.
i posted this cause there seems to be a lot of people here that are very positive that Metroid Prime sucks even though they know nothing at all about it.
i just wanted them too see, that people that have actually played the game are really impressed with it.
Even if Prime lives up to the series in the gamplay department, it's still unfortunate that the art quality took a nose dive.
I have no doubt in my mind that retro/nintendo will release a good game. The only questions i have are:
1. how long will it take them to finish it
2. just how good will it be
one more week...
Blasphemy. And weren't you the one who said you hated Yoshi's Island? This seals it, you're going to hell.Quote:
Originally posted by piku
I didn't really care for Metroid much as it was 2D.
Yoshi's Island... the second Mario game on the SNES? Yeah, I didn't care for it that much :DQuote:
Blasphemy. And weren't you the one who said you hated Yoshi's Island? This seals it, you're going to hell.
I dunno, Metroid just does not do it for me in its present state. I enjoy Castlevania: SOTN though - go figure (even though they're not exactly similar).
I'm not quite sure what to think about Metroid Prime. I can't say I'm too interested, but the least I can do is give it a chance. I'm hoping for the best and am very unprepared for the worst.
So was Yoshi's Story...... :DQuote:
Originally posted by Golgo 13
this is a Nintendo game after all.
i'll give you that, but then again, Miyamoto had nothing to do with that. in the case of Metroid Prime, he does. he's made them restart 3 times already, so i think it's safe to say that they're finally getting it right with that game.Quote:
Originally posted by Melf
So was Yoshi's Story...... :D
Miyamoto was "Supervisor" for Yoshi's Story. I don't what his position is for Metroid Prime but I imagine it's not much different.
I don't want to give you shit here because you should be able to express your opinion but, how the hell can you like SOTN and not Metroid? I mean, if you swapped the graphics you wouldn't even be able to tell. Unless it's the atmosphere of the Castlevania games that does it for you. I'm confused:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by piku
I dunno, Metroid just does not do it for me in its present state. I enjoy Castlevania: SOTN though - go figure (even though they're not exactly similar).
Well, C:SotN is a much better "version" of Super Metroid, without the insane precise tiny platform jumping, juggling by enemies, frustration from odd balancing, and so on, while adding a larger enemy list, better control, a huge amount of weapons and variety of attacks, and even the ability for hidden quests once you've beaten the game. Super Metroid is a great game, but C:SotN is so much better that it's hard to go back (I tried, and only then did I realize just how good C:SotN really was).
Saying that Yoshi's Island is the second Mario game on the SNES is like calling Street Fighter III the third game in the series.Quote:
Originally posted by piku
Yoshi's Island... the second Mario game on the SNES?
My apologies, then. The term "ass rape" just carries a negative connotation with me, at least.Quote:
Originally posted by Golgo 13
i guess i did sorta come off as if i thought the game would turn out to be bad.
but actually, im looking forward to this game a lot, im sure it'll be extremely good.
what i was just trying to stress was that, the people (IGN, GameSpot, Steven Kent) who infact have seen a good ammount of gameplay, or have played the game are all ass raped by the game. i haven't heard of anyone at all being disapointed by the game (for those who have played/seen a good ammount of gameplay).
the games development started off bad and all, but i was never worried that it would be a bad game just cause it's an FPS, i mean, this is a Nintendo game after all.
i posted this cause there seems to be a lot of people here that are very positive that Metroid Prime sucks even though they know nothing at all about it.
i just wanted them too see, that people that have actually played the game are really impressed with it.
You're going to hell, too.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
Well, C:SotN is a much better "version" of Super Metroid
Metroid was never Miyamoto's baby, though.Quote:
Originally posted by Golgo 13
i'll give you that, but then again, Miyamoto had nothing to do with that. in the case of Metroid Prime, he does. he's made them restart 3 times already, so i think it's safe to say that they're finally getting it right with that game.
Yes I am, but this isn't the reason why.Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
You're going to hell, too.
So tell me, aside from what it brought to games in general, and just as a game itself, why do you believe Super Metroid to be better then C:SotN?
doesn't change the fact that he's the best at game design.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Metroid was never Miyamoto's baby, though.
Don't forget that Miyamoto also made Donkey Kong 3 and Zelda II: The Adventures of Link. While they may have been good games on their own, but as sequels they strayed too far from the original formula.Quote:
Originally posted by Golgo 13
doesn't change the fact that he's the best at game design.
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I don't want to give you shit here because you should be able to express your opinion but, how the hell can you like SOTN and not Metroid? I mean, if you swapped the graphics you wouldn't even be able to tell. Unless it's the atmosphere of the Castlevania games that does it for you. I'm confused
Right there basically. I dunno, I just did not like Super Metroid at all, even back when it was first released. I really don't like the shooting part of Metroid that much, it just doesn't feel that right for some reason.Quote:
Well, C:SotN is a much better "version" of Super Metroid, without the insane precise tiny platform jumping, juggling by enemies, frustration from odd balancing, and so on, while adding a larger enemy list, better control, a huge amount of weapons and variety of attacks, and even the ability for hidden quests once you've beaten the game. Super Metroid is a great game, but C:SotN is so much better that it's hard to go back (I tried, and only then did I realize just how good C:SotN really was).
Yeah, I realize the huge differences, but I do believe it had Mario World in the title.Quote:
Saying that Yoshi's Island is the second Mario game on the SNES is like calling Street Fighter III the third game in the series.
So bitch when Nintendo keeps re-hashing games, and then bitch when they try to do something new? What's Nintendo to do?Quote:
While they may have been good games on their own, but as sequels they strayed too far from the original formula.
I refuse to answer the infernal questions of the damned.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
So tell me, aside from what it brought to games in general, and just as a game itself, why do you believe Super Metroid to be better then C:SotN?
It was called Super Mario World 2 in the US, but not Japan. I don't have any problems with you calling it the second Mario game on SNES. Johnny U seems like a smart guy and has a vast knowledge of video games, but he is also King of the Nit-pickers.Quote:
Originally posted by piku
Yeah, I realize the huge differences, but I do believe it had Mario World in the title.
There's a difference between Mario games and games with Mario in them.Quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Undaunted
Saying that Yoshi's Island is the second Mario game on the SNES is like calling Street Fighter III the third game in the series.
Cop-out.Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
I refuse to answer the infernal questions of the damned.
To further elaborate on why I don't like Super Metroid now as much as I did then: The two main reasons (as I partially said earlier) were the hit reaction from Samus and her ability to land on platforms. When she gets hit, she goes flying back (this also happens in C:SotN, but I got hit far less often in that game), usually into a small lava pit (when leaping through one of the many halls that make up the game) or into a another enemy, which will cause her to fly "backwards" (since the enemy's behind her, she now goes forward) into the first enemy, and gets juggled. Highly annoying. As for her platform jumping, it isn't too bad, but they often give you giant spaces between platforms offering no room for mistake down to pixels, or little tiny platforms barely the size of her feet (which means land exactly or fall and do it again). Again, major annoyances that got me mad because of how insanely perfect every single jump (usually in groups of five or more) has to be, or do it all over again. No bosses got me mad, not finding any of the items or exploring ticked me off, but these two things actually had me controller-throwing in frustration. Friggin' pissed me off.
Aside from that, however, great game.
So basically you liked SotN better because it was easier.
I hope you've never posted in any of those threads that pop up occasionally that whine about how games are too easy nowadays and developers should go back to the older style of tough, frustrating games.
I sure as hell don't. Frustrating is never good, at any time or in any situation. Difficult is, but outright frustrating? No way.Quote:
I hope you've never posted in any of those threads that pop up occasionally that whine about how games are too easy nowadays and developers should go back to the older style of tough, frustrating games.
Frustrating games build charachter.
Seperate the men from the boys.
Put hair on your chest.
Something,Something,Something...
There's a difference between easier and unnessicarily over-difficult. If they had used a more typical hit animation (the character doesn't move, but instead turns invincible for a split-second) it would have made a huge difference. I hate the fly-back effect, and think it's more of a insult-to-injury instead of just a punishment for getting hit. The platform jumping simply wasn't done very well (I'm not refering to the platforms you see most often, but the ones above giant pits or the ones needed to get to a new area, which often require you follow along their path with beyond perfect precision). Jumping was very slippery and difficult to perfectly control in that game, but they placed a huge emphasis on exact leaping, and those two thing don't go well together. Something more like, say, Ninja Gaiden works very well for exact platform jumping as you can control the character's leaping with precision, as you can in C:SotN (though C:SotN didn't have too much of the required platform jumping for new areas, aside from when they wanted to keep you out of areas until you gained certain skills).
Recap: The leaping sucked, and the fly-back was wholly unnessacary. Nothing to do with difficulty, as I've only died twice during the three times I've played through. It isn't hard, just annoying. This game and Conker's Bad Fur Day are the only two games that have had me controller throwing in frustration (funnily enough, both allow enemies to juggle you and both have freakish hit detection). Metroid certainly wasn't this bad in that regard, and was far easier to control.
C:SotN had the fly-back as well, and you can get juggled as well, but it's also easier to avoid that since there aren't lava pits with grapple creatures every two hallways (and God forbid you should accidently step in the sand before you're supposed to).
SotN controls better than super metroid? I'd have to disagree. Metroid is so fluid and fast, while SotN is clunky and slow. Plus you can do so much more with the controls in super metroid.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
Well, C:SotN is a much better "version" of Super Metroid, without the insane precise tiny platform jumping, juggling by enemies, frustration from odd balancing, and so on, while adding a larger enemy list, better control, a huge amount of weapons and variety of attacks, and even the ability for hidden quests once you've beaten the game. Super Metroid is a great game, but C:SotN is so much better that it's hard to go back (I tried, and only then did I realize just how good C:SotN really was).
Back to the original thread.
What the hell does MSNBC now about games, etc....
they have their own gaming division now or something?
(i am by no means bashing Metroid Prime, I plan on picking it up for my Cube when its released)
I wasn't bitching about sequels being radically different, rather I was pointing out why people is bashing Metroid Prime with those analogies. To be honest, I enjoyed Donkey Kong 3 almost as much as the original and Zelda II was a worthy successor to the original in my opinion. Still, I believe Metroid could have been done in 3D without the need to turn it into a FPS. They could have used the Zelda 64-engine.Quote:
So bitch when Nintendo keeps re-hashing games, and then bitch when they try to do something new? What's Nintendo to do?
Well I tried to be the least anal as possible when it comes to this kind of things actually, but I always end up nitpicking over something anyway.Quote:
Johnny U seems like a smart guy and has a vast knowledge of video games, but he is also King of the Nit-pickers.
My personal hope is that this game will be much better than the majority of you think.
Bring the atmosphere,
~Quinn
I can't speak for MSNBC, but Steven Kent (the man that wrote the article) is arguably the top "mainstream" videogame journalist in the US. He wrote "The First Quarter," later re-released as "Ultimate History of Video Games," which is (also arguably) the best and most informative videogame-related book ever written. He also writes weekly gaming articles for the Los Angeles Times and Japan Times.Quote:
Originally posted by MrKasualUltra2000
What the hell does MSNBC now about games, etc....
they have their own gaming division now or something?
He knows his stuff.
oh.Quote:
Originally posted by Stibbons
I can't speak for MSNBC, but Steven Kent (the man that wrote the article) is arguably the top "mainstream" videogame journalist in the US. He wrote "The First Quarter," later re-released as "Ultimate History of Video Games," which is (also arguably) the best and most informative videogame-related book ever written. He also writes weekly gaming articles for the Los Angeles Times and Japan Times.
He knows his stuff.
I agree totally! I think SM controls way better then SOTN. But, everyone has their own opinion and he thinks SOTN is better. I'm not too upset because I think both are great games. I, however think that SM is FAR superior to SOTN in every way except graphics.Quote:
Originally posted by Kinopio
SotN controls better than super metroid? I'd have to disagree. Metroid is so fluid and fast, while SotN is clunky and slow. Plus you can do so much more with the controls in super metroid.