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The president of America or the president of Canada?
Bush may know how to do a job, but I do not believe he has a high I.Q.
No.
He does not have a good sense of self preservation.
He does not have control of his temper (read the reports on drudge about him yelling at white house interns)
He does not have a single presidential quality about him (people thought Howard Dean didn't either, but hey, if Bush is already president, Dean should get his shot as well)
He is a slave to theology, which is fantastic if your the pope, but not so good when you lead the country
And finally, its not that he isn't intelligent. You don't go to Harvard-Yale, and not get something rubbed off on you, even if you are mildly retarded. Its just what is easily mistaken for a lack of intelligence, which is, a lack of common sense which is also fueled by the fact that he has not a single notion as to how people like you and I live and what life is like for us.
I think people equate good public speaking with intelligence, and equate intelligence with good president. Of course, this is nonsense. Im not trying to say that, say, Bill Clinton was not intelligent (he clearly was), but just because he was a good speaker in public does not mean he had the capability to be a good president (and in my opinion, he wasnt).
Likewise, Ive read articles from newspapers in Europe during the Civil War that said basically the same thing you would read in an article from newspapers in Europe now: that Abe Lincoln was a terrible public speaker, horribly stupid, stiff, unintelligent, and wholly incapable of the job at hand. And we all know that is nonsense.
If being the President required super-intelligence, that would be in the Constitution.
So, that said, I dont like to make any judgement calls on people's intelligence. I really dont. It's elitist and counterproductive. You talk to IronPlant on #TNL and its hard to think he's anything but mentally retarded, but I still know he's not.
I always laugh at how the far-left loves to (A) make fun of George W. for being a total moron, and (B) accuse him of ltricking the entire US Government/Congress into going to war (including Kerry), not to mention Britain, Australia, etc. So something's gotta give. So is Bush intelligent? In some ways, yes.But thats just my opinion.
Besides, even if you think he's stupid, he's done a lot with a little. Owned a baseball team, degrees from Harvard and Yale, President, governor, etc. I mean, yea, he comes from pedigree, but so does Paris Hilton. Think about it.
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killed alot of americansQuote:
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killed a lot of TexansQuote:
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Both rich retards.Quote:
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And I really dont think you're talking about people on the 'far left', I think you're talking about people in the middle, which is what democrats have become, the republicans have gone so far over to the right, they have actually pulled the dems to the middle.
And no, no, I am talking about the far left. Democractic Underground types.Quote:
And I really dont think you're talking about people on the 'far left',
That's nonsense. Just the fact that Republicans support the war in Iraq, which has given freedom and democracy to the country, is a progressive idea. Shit, just yesterday I read this. Tell me that's far-right thinking at work. Please.Quote:
I think you're talking about people in the middle, which is what democrats have become, the republicans have gone so far over to the right, they have actually pulled the dems to the middle.
I'm sure this "National Sales Tax" wont apply to billionaires somehow. Bush has abused presidential buddy rights more than any leader of any democracy anywhere, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I fyou trust the right to do anything good with the tax system, you're fucking blind.
Let's just dig that hole a little deeper.
That's quite a statement to make without any proof or sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
Hey man, whatever. I havent seen the Democrats do anything good with it, either. And they're not the ones that brought this up.Quote:
I fyou trust the right to do anything good with the tax system, you're fucking blind.
Look for yourself where more than half of his tax cuts go to.Quote:
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But how does that prove what you said? You said, "Bush has abused presidential buddy rights more than any leader of any democracy anywhere, ever." Stop talking out your ass, please. It's making a lot of noise and doesn't smell good.
Go have sex with our nations leader please. It wouldnt suprise me one bit if you were a Democrat defending Bush on internet message board just to be able to argue with all the sane people of the world.
That's the best you can do? So not ok.
Man, Brisco totally owned us all by starting this thread, writing "Discuss" and then bailing.
Only when it's convenient. Freedom and democracy are the last things on the U.S. government's mind, or else we wouldn't have half a dozen territories with no voting rights.Quote:
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Originally Posted by dave is ok
Crossfire wasn't on and I was bored, so...
On that note: Where the hell is Yoshi?
A national sales tax would be a tax cut for the rich, at least if it's done as a replacement for our current income tax. Sales taxes are regressive, meaning the poor pay a higher percentage of their income. So the rich would actually be paying a far less percentage of their income than they are currently (more than likely, anyway). I think regressive taxes are pretty stupid, as they are very often unproductive or counter-productive (the people that are supported by the tax dollars are paying the highest percentage of their income).Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
The scary thing about that article is that it seems so appealling to everyone. No income tax? Sounds great--I don't have to deal with forms, I get my whole paycheck, etc. But in practice, this would probably be just another way to pad the pockets of the rich. The least they could do is make it a flat tax.
I hate republicans, I just found out that taxpayers are paying over 30 million dollars for Reagans funeral
:lol: Was that flushing sound your credibility? No one, and I mean no one thinks that the Democrats represent the middle. If they did, there would be more registered Democrats than Republicans, which there aren't. Also, the middle would not have chosen Republicans in 4 of the last 6 elections if they were liberal. Nice try though.Quote:
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Sorry. I missed the memo. ;)Quote:
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BTW, there is no President of Canada, dumbass.Quote:
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Hey, Brisco, if I were you, I would tell "dave is a da" not to take my side next time.
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What you're calling the middle, is actually the "sorta to the right, kinda."
No. It's something like 30/30/40. That 30 in the middle is what really decided national elections, because neither side has enough to win on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
http://www.linkydinky.com/BushIQ.shtml
Carter's a fucking genius, pity it's complete bullshit.
I think it's fairly obvious that dave was referring to a broader social and political spectrum, not just American politics. American Democrats would probably be considered to the right of center on a political scale that attempts to encompass all political beliefs. But certainly Democrats would be considered on the left if we're talking only American politics, since popular American politics are much narrower in scope (there aren't many anarchists, socialists, or authoritarians that get much publicity in the U.S.). The Democrats have to be the left, since the opposition of the Republicans and Democrats defines the left and right for American politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Way to be an ass, though.
I think the reason that anarchists and authoritarians don't get a lot of time in the spot light is that as stupid as the US people can be sometimes, they are not THAT stupid. And for Socialism, well the democratic party in the US is already very socialist. Ofcorse the Republican party is catching up with its gay Homeland security ideas.
You're a fucking moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Indeed he is.
The way our country was founded limits much of the political debate (and I don't mean to imply that this is a bad thing). A socialist, anarchist, or authoritarian government is impossible without a radical reworking of the Constitution and possibly even the Bill of Rights.
And I don't really understand how IronPlant is retarded for saying the Democratic party is very socialist. "Very" is a subjective term, and perhaps you take issue simply with that word. But the Democratic party definitely has policies with socialist or communist roots. They're not Soviet revolutionaries, but it is fairly clear that the Democratic party has taken some cues from Marx.
I never said he was retarded, I said he was a fucking moron. The Democrats have reasonably weak ties with the trade unions, they generally support the opening up of the economy with things such as Free Trade agreements, and relatively balanced budget spending.Quote:
Originally Posted by flux=rad
They are more socialist than Republicans, sure. But that's like saying that magma is cooler than the surface of the sun.
The United States needs to be totalitarian so all you faggots go to jail.
Seriously speaking, I don't think Bush is as smart as a lot of our former Presidents but neither was Lincoln and he ended up being a very good President that probably would've solved a lot of post-Civil War problems had he not been assassinated. Al Gore had education coming out of his ass and he has the most lame and flat personality I've ever seen. Education and intelligence isn't everything, some of the best damn and helpful people at recruit training (and I speak of recruit training because USMC training really brings out the true capabilities of people) were guys that seemed to be a little slower then other recruits.
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How's this.
Is he a good president?
I have more take home pay and am safer from foreign threats today than when he took office. That qualifies as success in my book. That's not to say the job is done, only that he should be given four more years to work further on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
My parents take home less money and in no way have I noticed that I am safer from foreign threats (actually, I am more threatened...when Clinton was president I never worried about terrorists threat levels). I have noticed that my friends are stuck overseas fighting a war, seeing their friends killed. I guess that qualifies as a failure, and in no way should I allow him 4 more years to be able to abuse his powers freely without the worry of reelection to restrain him.
I'm a billionaire, so I've gotten lots of tax breaks the past four years, I say keep him in office.
Thismorning on Howard Stern he reported that the government sold $10 billion of satelite access to Nextel for $850 million. The head of the board of Nextel is Bush's friend and one of the founders of the Carlyle Group.Quote:
Originally Posted by daveisok
Just one of many suspect deals over the last four years, but dont quote me, I dont have sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormy
But that was to stimulate the economy! The extra money that Nextel saved can be used to hire more employees! Those new jobs will drive the economy! :wtf:Quote:
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Howard Stern isn't telling the full story. It's sad to see him sink to Moore-like depths. I at least hope the rest of his show is funny and not just 4 hours of Bush-bashing, because I really liked it before.
Click here, my loves
By the way, uncovering that took about 2 seconds of Googling.
If you're counting on Howard for news that involves the government, you can expect it to be slanted. I mean, I really like Howard and I think the FCC should be focusing their attention elsewhere, but he clearly is doing anything he can to agitate his listener base into voting for Kerry. See diff's link.Quote:
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OMG You Googled a Yahoo story!@!@Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Don't live near any ports or national borders, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I take home less today and am in danger of Bush taking away the credit I have for child dependants, so my opinion differs a bit. ;)