Bush said these words not too long ago...
"Our enemies are cunning and resourceful.
And so are we.
They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people.
And neither do we."
George W Bush
The truth came out at last? :wtf:
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Bush said these words not too long ago...
"Our enemies are cunning and resourceful.
And so are we.
They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people.
And neither do we."
George W Bush
The truth came out at last? :wtf:
Source of the quote, please.
Ya, theres a video of it online. Stupid idiot. And Rumsfeld didn't even blink when he said it.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphic...805041bush.mov
He really needs to come to my house and BBQ with me.
Ajin, your sig is WAY too big.
EDIT: I don't want to imagine how much space it takes up if you don't have legacy postbit on.
Bushes stupidity = lots of LOL's.
He's evil I tell you.
And Mike if he ever has A BBQ at your house stick him on a spit roast and poke him with a red hot iron rod.
That's why I'm voting for him, we need an honest President.
I can see his acceptance speech now...
"Amerika, I'm going to spend your money to line my boys’ pockets and to play some real time Battleship, then I'm going to drill some oil and log the shit out of Alaska, and I'm going to eliminate bans on mountain top mining hell West Virginia is ugly enough to begin with, next I'm going to piss off foreign relations who gives a rat's ass, hell we don't need 'em, 'cept to pay the debt, but don't worry about that now and finally I'm going to deport all the gays, but don't worry...
...none of that's going to effect us, because I've got a plan......We're going to Mars!
Good night and Glod Bless America!"
[QUOTE=Doc Holliday] and finally I'm going to deport all the gays, [QUOTE]
Ha ha I'm Bi so now worries if he did plus theres the added fact that I'm in the UK. LOL. I'd rip his guts out if he did. :chunobi:
Holy motherfucker. :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
Bush's dumb, we get it.
Most quotable President ever!
I guess Ajinryu never said something that was taken one way when he meant it another. It's good to see that the best thing people can attack is this though. It pretty much explains why Kerry lost ground in the polls during his own party's convention.
I know what he meant by the statement, it isn't all that hard to figure out, but he used wording that leaves it open to this kind of stuff.
Maybe that what he wants you to think. ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
i hate bush...but i would want him as a president if he would do the same to the damn mexicans
Damn Skippy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/
A Few faves:
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"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."—Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004
"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004
"[T]he best way to find these terrorists who hide in holes is to get people coming forth to describe the location of the hole, is to give clues and data."-Washington, D.C., Dec. 15, 2003
"[W]hether they be Christian, Jew, or Muslim, or Hindu, people have heard the universal call to love a neighbor just like they'd like to be called themselves."—Washington, Oct. 8, 2003
"[A]s you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say."—Washington, D.C., Oct. 28, 2003
Ah, I could do this all day.....
I think this thread is full of more stupidity than most of Bush's flubs.
What the bloody hell are you going on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajinryu
Just a random outburst Opaque.
Just so long as you're honest about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajinryu
:noob:
........
*light goes on*
YOU DATE MEN AND WOMNEN!???
*dead*
That's gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gymkata
Either you are or you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Doesn't always work that way, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
*insert obligatory 'Bush is dumb' comment*
...noodles.
I'm trying to think of a way to fix that sentence, but you just can't.
"Our enemies are cunning and resourceful.
And so are we.
They never stop thinking about new ways they can harm our country and our people.
And neither do we."
That's the best I can do.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Kerry didnt lose ground in the polls during his own convention. He gained about 5 points the day after his speech. The following day it dropped to 1 point above pre-convention level where it sat until at least Tuesday (when I got this info).
*also* psst...it is ok to make fun of somebody even if you make the same mistakes. There is such thing as circumstance too, very important in comedy. Ajinryu might have said something stupid to his friends, but it wasnt being filmed nor in front of lots of people. Not to mention I am almost certain that Bush had the phrase written for him and he botched it. All these things are comical and make us laugh. You do not need to keep protecting Bush like he was your retarded little brother or something.
Not to mention that he's the frickin' president and does this all the time. One time, shame on you, two times,......umm.......shame on us both!
What a dummy... -End Comment
Bush is incompetent, intolerable, and has no business attempting to run this country. He's the wrong man for the job in the same way you don't want, say, you or me piloting a spacecraft- we just plain lack the skills to do it. Unless of course there's an astronaut reading this, in which case you're excused from the comparison.
Anyway, the best we can do is laugh at stuff like this because the alternative is really thinking about what's going on in Washington right now and realizing that the only thing we can do is cast a vote against it in November, and how very ineffective that feels. Laughter > exploding with rage.
So yeah, funny as hell.
James
OH YA!
Give me Dick and Bush!
James, my new sig is for you, slugger.
I thought that quote wasn't really Winston Churchill?
I don't see what the big deal is. So he flubbed a few words, whatever. People make mistakes when talking all of the time; it's sort of idiotic to assume that the President is above verbal discrepancy or that his skill in speaking somehow reflects (or proves) his intelligence/capability/whatever.
But his skill in speaking does reflect his intelligence not to mention just the general opinion of him both domestically and overseas.
I normally would agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
But come on! This is the leader of the USA we're talking about here!
There are hundreds of Bushisms you can find, books and web pages devoted to them. While I won't put it past even the president to make normal human mistakes, being a competent speaker is the least we can ask from the person that runs the most powerful country in the world. I mean, we aren't just talking about stumbling on your words here; these are grade-A screw-ups where you stray from the script and say something entirely wrong. This wouldn't be a big deal if it weren't for the sheer number of times he has done this.
Let's say I am the president of a company and I wanted to do business with another company. So I meet with their president to discuss a mutual transaction. If when I meet him I find out he can barely string together a coherent sentence, that affects my opinion of him and how he'd do business. It's just human nature to think that way. In such a setting how you portray yourself and how you speak reflect directly on how people will perceive you, right or wrong. Sure, it might not be true, but until you meet someone in person you only have conjecture to go on.
Plus, it's just damn funny to read.
Who is more stupid, though: Bush or the people judging someone based on how well they speak? I can talk up a storm and do it eloquently, but I'm not some uber-intelligent guy. Meanwhile, I have a friend who says, "um," a lot and laughs nervously who knows like six different languages fluently in addition to (what seems to me as) everything that ever happened in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
I'd rather he focused more on trying to fix up Iraq or getting me more take-home pay or leaving gay people alone than speaking. But that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonofdonCD
You have a point there, but that doesn't mean it's correct or smart to base your judgments on something like that. A lot of people base opinions on conjecture, but a lot of people also eat at the Sizzler.Quote:
Let's say I am the president of a company and I wanted to do business with another company. So I meet with their president to discuss a mutual transaction. If when I meet him I find out he can barely string together a coherent sentence, that affects my opinion of him and how he'd do business. It's just human nature to think that way. In such a setting how you portray yourself and how you speak reflect directly on how people will perceive you, right or wrong. Sure, it might not be true, but until you meet someone in person you only have conjecture to go on.
No argument there. :)Quote:
Plus, it's just damn funny to read.
Intelligence is much more complex than knowing a bunch of random stuff. Being able to speak eloquently an important part of that makeup. And as Son pointed out, it is not as if this is an isolated incident, if it was nobody would have even probably picked up on it. Bush makes these mistakes over and over again.
Anyway, even if he is somehow a genious (he hasnt really give any incling of these either) one could argue that public speaking is a much more important skill for a president to have than genius like intelligence.
Also, it is needed to base your judement on how people speak and come across. Why? Becuase, even if, like you claim, people are idiots, almost everybody judges you by how you speak. How many people are going to get to know the president to see that he might hide all this knowledge. A person in power must have the ability to gain respect and trust through speach alone, and Bush just cannot do it.
Your friend is in a casual setting. There are no rules as far as speaking with a buddy or a few friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Bush is in a very public setting, discussing very important matters that affect everyone in the country, sometimes even beyond.
I'd like my president to represent me in the best fashion possible. IE don't screw up a simple speech. That is so little to expect in a president, don't you think?
Well, it's not like I voted for him. I just hate preconceived notions and propaganda. It seems to me, with things like "Bushisms," that some people are almost getting off on his mistakes. Do you know what I mean? Big deal, he's caused worse problems during his presidency; focus on those.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonofdonCD
Bushisms are funny though. Most people would prefer not to spend their time thinking about kids dying or economic failures, etc. People try and use Bushisms to support political agendas, but when it comes down to it people are interested in them because they allow them to concentrate on silly little mistakes instead of the bigger problems in their lives.
In otherwards, it is an easy and fun way to theraputically release these pent up emotions towards the presidency and the state of the country. I think that is why Bushisms are so popular.
I like them because they're funny. It's like Yogi Berra.
I'd sill vote for Buhs over Kerry every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
Does your friend hold the lives of millions in his hands? Does he represent the country every time he speaks? It's all about projection. If Bush speaks like that in private there's no foul because no one cares. When the guy screws up on camera it is bad publicity for the country as he is our leader and chief representative. Projection is very important. Harry Truman was no genius but the man could project like nobody's business. So could Reagan. That's what a president needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Melf has a point. Clinton was very eloquent when he spoke, even though he constantly did it out of both sides of his mouth. That's quite a talent. Who cares if what they say has any substance? It's the flowery words that are chosen that really matter.
[/sarcasm]
Sarcasm noted.
Apparently, the majority of the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Haha, says the dinsosaur whose favorite president was an actor! :p
There's nothing wrong with police and substance. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Silly, Arnold's a GOVERNOR, not a President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Arnold's way too liberal to be my favorite anything too. I'll take him over Gray Davis though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
I'd take anyone over Gray Davis. The man should be shot.
Hehe. I know, I was just taking a cheap shot at Reagan's "acting" career. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Damn. Puerto Rico must have too much violent television. Or maybe it is GTA's fault. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
[racism]It's bred into them.[/racism]
:\ Really? How come you never do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
LOL AND IN THE END!! "We must never stop thinking about how best of OFFEND our country"
I love this man.
Type is different from talk, smartass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
For one thing, he flubs more than just a few words - he does this stuff all the time. For another, it's not just him tripping over his words - going to Brazil and saying "oh, you have black people too?" or to France and saying "the problem with the french is that they have no word for entrepreneur" is just the result of general ignorance about the world. And even if everyone does trip over their words from time to time, few manage it with such consistently hilarious results. I mean, I don't care what your political stripe is, this is frickin' funny:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004
(Yes, I posted that in another thread that sucks because of this one). He's just about the least eloquent world leader I've ever seen, and if you've ever seen Jean Chretien speak, you know how serious my saying that is.
THE IRONY, IT BURNSQuote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
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Originally Posted by StriderKyo
Yes, but Jean Chretien has a speech impediment and he's French Canadian.
I don't see what the big deal is, a lot of our Presidents were poor speakers and will continue to be poor speakers. A lot of you seem to be gung-ho about Al Gore who had the public speaking ability of a freakin wooden board. Sure the man might have been highly educated but his personality was flat.
Have you seen the man speak since the last election? He's a freaking firebrand now, yelling on stage like an old time preacher. A totally different person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Okay, but since Dubya's inarticulate and lacks Gore's Phd, where does that leave him?Quote:
Sure the man might have been highly educated but his personality was flat.
While my opinions on Bush may not be the same, that was the point I was trying to make. Public speaking and a good personality are good presidential qualities to have but that's all they are, their importance is very low on my "Why I'd vote" list.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
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Put the 'off' button on.
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They misunderestimated me.
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It's your money. You paid for it.
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Terrorist threats and weapons of mass production.
'01.12.4
I see women of cover here, and I want to thank you for coming from the Muslim community here in America.
'02.1.5
Over 50 percent of our energy comes from overseas. Fortunately, a lot of it comes from Canada.
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For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times.
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The idea of putting subliminable message into ads is, is ridiculous.
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We've got an education system that is next to none.
Several pages back Yoshi implied I'm a liberal. I'd just like to take this post to say-
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I'm not old either, even if odds are good I'm older than most of you. Damn kids!
James
Who cares if Bush is dumb, the president is just a figurehead of all the people behind him. But I do question WHY those chose him as their figurehead, when practically all he needs to do is speak, and that's what he sucks at.
He's a figurehead with his hand on the button. That's like giving a loaded revolver to a five year-old.
Actually, I think the five year-old would figure it out faster than Bush would,
Bush's words are like turds falling into my drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Being effective and persuasive is one of the most important aspects of being president, and maintaining credibility through a basic grasp of the English language goes along with that. Bush's heart is not in the right place. He serves the elite, himself, and has no concern for the common man of America or his children, but the fact that he can't even make us like getting fucked like Reagan did means he really shouldn't be president.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
The leader of the free world can't even piece together simple thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
You honestly think that all the stupid shit he says has nothing to do with his limited brain power and more to do with the fact that he gets nervous on the podium or something?
And you honestly think he's a good representative for this country, much less your beloved Republican party?
It pisses me off that most Republicans are too damn proud to admit that Bush just isn't that smart.
That's the long and the short of it. Anyone willing to vote for a blatant fuck-up like Bush twice is just two proud to admit he was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
It's ok. Even I didn't realize how bad he'd be in 2000. Just admit that you were wrong and vote for Kerry, or stay home. No one will think less of you.
Liberal is a bad word ON A VIDEOGAME FORUM FULL OF STONERS AND INTERNET-ADDICTED NERDS WITHOUT ANY SEMBLANCE OF AMBITION WHATSOEVER?!?!?!!
Man is he stupid.
I could tell the first time I saw him and his mannerisms. He didn't even need to speak. He has this very obvious and constant air of oafish bewilderment. I mean, I would be hesitant to make him a retail manager or something, and yet people actually (theoretically) voted him to our nation's highest office?
Is everyone else really that bad at spotting idiocy?
Well, then again, I guess in a nation full of morons, it's probably not surprising they'd embrace one of their own.
I think it would be better if everybody stayed home on election day.
It isn't pride so much as it is lack of brainpower. A lot of people don't have the necessary equipment to make an informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
The rest vote Republican ;p
Seriously, if anyone can give me a GOOD reason to vote for Kerry, I will. Simple as that. That's the 64,000 dollar question.
But anyway, back to that lack of informed decision making nonsense. A friend of mine likes to do research on what he's voting for (smart move). He looked into that embryonic stem-sell stuff that Democrats were touting at the DNC. Guess what he found out? That it sucks, and almost no scientist worth their weight in slide rules thinks it will lead anywhere. But guess who ate it all up?
Way to go guys.
Because he actually has a prayer of garnering international support in Iraq so your country doesn't have to single-handedly maintain 100 000 troops there for the next 4-5 years, draining hundreds of billions from your economy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Because he won't start wars over oil, and present false evidence to get you to support it?
Because he isn't internationally more detested than Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden, unlike the current guy?
Because he'll give you your real constitution back?
Because odds are he won't a) cause the largest deficit in your country's history, b) become the only president since the great depression to have lower employment rates at the end of his term than what he inherited, c) take more vacation time than any president in your history, despite having the most tumultuous term since the Cuban missile crisis, or d) fund his battle against "evil" by getting your country deeply into debt with China of all countries?
Because, unlike his opponent, he actually has more than 10 years of political experience?
Because you won't have to put up with Rumsfeld or Cheney anymore?
Because he'll actually do something about the exportation of jobs from your country?
Because he's smarter than the other guy? A better statesman? Has a more mature worldview that can abide more than two options at a time? Has a running mate who doesn't have a pacemaker? Doesn't believe Jesus tells him to bomb people?
Those all strike me as good reasons.
Your friend must be a very smart man. After all, he did "research". I guess that makes him smarter than the not-worth-their-weight-in-slide-rules chumps at Harvard who are raising $100 million for stem cell research. Or the losers at Cambridge, the morons at Stanford, the dumbasses at the University of Kyoto, the American freaking Medical Association, or the know-nothings at pretty much every other research institute that can get funding. Not to mention all the private corporations, who just love throwing hundreds of millions of dollars away at things they don't think will lead anywhere.Quote:
But anyway, back to that lack of informed decision making nonsense. A friend of mine likes to do research on what he's voting for (smart move). He looked into that embryonic stem-sell stuff that Democrats were touting at the DNC. Guess what he found out? That it sucks, and almost no scientist worth their weight in slide rules thinks it will lead anywhere. But guess who ate it all up?
After all, all they have are Phds and positions at the most respected institutions on Earth. Your friend did research. :bang:
I think you just got served Joust.
Joust got pwned!
Because he actually has a prayer of garnering international support in Iraq so your country doesn't have to single-handedly maintain 100 000 troops there for the next 4-5 years, draining hundreds of billions from your economy?
does he?
Because he won't start wars over oil, and present false evidence to get you to support it?
did Bush? Proof?
Because he isn't internationally more detested than Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden, unlike the current guy?
THAT'S a reason?
Because he'll give you your real constitution back?
I'm doing just fine.
Because odds are he won't a) cause the largest deficit in your country's history, b) become the only president since the great depression to have lower employment rates at the end of his term than what he inherited, c) take more vacation time than any president in your history, despite having the most tumultuous term since the Cuban missile crisis, or d) fund his battle against "evil" by getting your country deeply into debt with China of all countries?
"Ödds are"? That's not a reason.
Because, unlike his opponent, he actually has more than 10 years of political experience?
And he sucks in MA?
Because you won't have to put up with Rumsfeld or Cheney anymore?
As opposed to other people?
Because he'll actually do something about the exportation of jobs from your country?
Will he?
Because he's smarter than the other guy?
I'm smarter than both of them, as are many people. So what?
A better statesman?
How so?
Has a more mature worldview that can abide more than two options at a time?
So why can't he ever make up his mind?
Has a running mate who doesn't have a pacemaker?
So this is an Edwards vs Cheney issue, then.
Doesn't believe Jesus tells him to bomb people?
I won't touch that.
Your friend must be a very smart man. After all, he did "research". I guess that makes him smarter than the not-worth-their-weight-in-slide-rules chumps at Harvard who are raising $100 million for stem cell research. Or the losers at Cambridge, the morons at Stanford, the dumbasses at the University of Kyoto, the American freaking Medical Association, or the know-nothings at pretty much every other research institute that can get funding. Not to mention all the private corporations, who just love throwing hundreds of millions of dollars away at things they don't think will lead anywhere.""
There are many types of stem cell research. Most scientists think that embryonic stem cell research will lead us nowhere. What's your point?
If the oil situation is as bad as the media is starting to say it is (a good deal of websites on the dwindling oil supply and National Geographic ran a huge article on "The End of Cheap Oil") then it doesn't matter who's President, there will be more wars and wars that are far worse then this one or possibly any war we've fought before. If oil, especially when it's running out, is not controlled by stable powers (the Middle Eastern governments, heavily influenced by terrorists, or a few influential ones anyway, are not stable) then the bloodshed resulting will make Iraq look like the turning on of a lightbulb compared to a 30 megaton nuclear explosion.
Do you honestly think John Kerry is going to tell us that he might do something that the rest of us will see as stupid? I'm not saying we're fighting over oil stability (while at the same time putting a major dent in terrorism and removing a man who's been pissing over the international community for years) but don't you think the government has better information on stuff like this then we do? Do you think there might be a reason while a lot of higher government officials have been putting their houses on independant power grids or there's a reason that the majority of the government voted to send us to war with the same information Bush had? I think we all fail to see just how important oil is to the entire world. Maybe if we wern't so wasteful and didn't take everything for granted we wouldn't have to fight over stupid things like resources.
And as for the economy, even CNN reported towards the beginning of the year (a major news orginization often seen as anti-Conservative) that 2004 will be the best year economically for the US in 20 years, including better then all of those Clinton years that you all masterbate on. The Burea of Labour Statistics reported that 500,000 jobs were created in the first three months of 2004 alone which that number has probably continued to rise at a rapid rate.
International support? Please, all of these countries will continue to trade with us because their economies depend on it. If they don't want to support us going to war then that's fine by them. The US got off to a rocky start in Iraq because the Army didn't have any training in the "mobile warfare" tactics that Rumsfield put forth and in effect did not have enough troops to handle things they way they handle things. With the US Marines in force in Iraq now (and a lot more experiance in "mobile warfare" then the Army because of their smaller numbers) and the Iraqi Security Forces becoming more dedicated and combat effective everyday we don't need the rest of the worlds help. Besides, what would we do with the French military who has gotten their militaries ass kicked in every major military involvment they've been in during the 20th century? They were badly defeated in Africa and very badly defeated in Vietnam against an enemy who was far weaker then the one we fought 10 years later and defeated in every military conflict we engaged in. International support is a good thing to have, but they're not the United States and most of these countries owe a hell of a lot to the US, they don't want to help us and just ride our cocks when they feel they're in trouble, good for them.
Yeah, it is. A guy who's probably not a fuck-up is better than a guy who already is a fuck-up. Not a tricky concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
The main representative of our country is viewed by the world in the same light as a tyrannical dictator and an insane terrorist. Hell fuck yes that's a goddamn reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust
International support is a neccessary thing, not just a "good" thing. We can't take on the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
"A guy who's probably not a fuck-up is better than a guy who already is a fuck-up"
What are you basing that claim on though? Rhetorical spoutings aren't reasons. Circular reasoning doesn't get anyone points with me.
"The main representative of our country is viewed by the world in the same light as a tyrannical dictator and an insane terrorist."
Which still doesn't answer the question. Why do I care what other people who don't live here think of someone? A lot of people think F 9/11 is a movie representative of the truth. Doesn't make it so.
Basically, he only reason I would care about something like that is if it made terrorist attacks on home soil more probable, and given the limited statistics, I see no reason for it to be lower with one person over the other. We're talking about extremist morons who don't give a crap who it is.
Y'all just had to get Joust involved in this thread.
Way to go, guys.
Well, bring it then. I asked for a reason, and I'm getting "well he sucks and Kerry might not suck". What kind of reasoning is that?
No, "most scientists" don't believe that, especially considering South Korea has already succeeded in cloning embryonic stem cells. They've managed to grow them into eye and muscle cells, as well as bone and cartilage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Now quit pretending you know anything about the subject.
You should read the news more than once a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
U.S. economy sideswipes Bush
By ALAN FREEMAN
Globe and Mail, Saturday August 7th 2004
Washington — The U.S. economy delivered a blow to President George W. Bush's re-election effort yesterday, as job creation fell well below expectations after a week of surging oil prices and a stock-market slide.
Mr. Bush has repeatedly said while campaigning that economic growth is "strong and getting stronger," but the U.S. Labour Department reported that only 32,000 new jobs were created in July, the lowest monthly total since last December. Economists last month predicted the figure would be more than seven times as high.
With Mr. Bush and Democratic challenger John Kerry running neck and neck in opinion polls, the Bush campaign has been counting on a burgeoning economy and a feel-good factor from rising payrolls to blunt the impact of prolonged war in Iraq.
Instead, he now faces a recovery short on jobs, record world oil prices and a sagging stock market.
As the price of crude oil rose to a record $44.77 (U.S.) a barrel in New York trading yesterday, stock markets around the world were sent reeling as fears grew about the impact of high energy prices on economic growth. Both the Standard & Poor's and technology-heavy Nasdaq stock indexes dropped to their lowest levels so far this year. Meanwhile, the U.S. dollar fell against all major world currencies, including the Canadian dollar.
Adding to the economic gloom, the Labour Department reported that the average hourly wage in July was $15.70 (U.S.), up 1.9 per cent over the previous year, but well below the 3.2-per-cent inflation rate.
"This has to be worrisome to the President," said Stephen Hess, a political analyst and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington.
Mr. Bush tempered his message yesterday while campaigning in New Hampshire. "I'm not going to be satisfied until everybody who wants to work can find a job," he told supporters. "We're in a changing economy, and we've got more to do."
In Missouri, Mr. Kerry was quick to capitalize on the weak jobs report. "The President keeps saying we've turned the corner," he said. "But unfortunately today's job numbers further demonstrate that our economy may be taking a U-turn instead."
Analysts said U.S. voters are sensitive to economic swings.
"Pocketbook issues remain central to the way people think about their voting decisions, even in a time of war," said Karlyn Bowman of the right-wing American Enterprise Institute. "This kind of figure could have a big impact."
Republicans are "pretty nervous," said Peverill Squire, a political scientist at the University of Iowa, located in a state where the race is extremely tight.
"What's weighing against the President is that the economy has perked up a little bit but not a lot," he said. "This just feeds into people's larger sense that maybe things aren't progressing as well as we might have hoped several months ago."
That's mostly due to the inflation and oil prices rising and as Time reported, we can expect inflation to go back into the double digets in the next few years and it's nobodies fault and nothing can be done. As for oil I don't think that really falls on anybodies shoulders either, I personally believe the oil giants (Saudia Arabia, etc.) are lying about how much oil they think they have left and are raising prices hoping to lower the demand. Bush cannot be blamed for natural inflation cycles and dwindling oil supplies. John Kerry told everyone that he planned to negotiate with Saudia Arabia to lower oil prices to make gas cheaper, but he also wants to put higher federal taxes on gas so it's a loose-loose situation for us. Don't forget that Clinton also put an additional $.18 tax on one gallon of gas towards the end of his term. It may have been for a good reason but if gas prices keep raising our economy is definately going to take a huge dip as it's becoming too expensive to drive. A lot of people I know now are staying home because they can't afford gas anymore.
Job rates are still rising, maybe not as rapidly as hoped but still going up. It seems like a lot of the time the media is trying to make people think that unemployment is getting worse and worse and worse when it's kind've going along a line at times and going down at other times. I saw somewhere (don't remember where, I can probably look it up if you don't believe it) that during the month of March or April the unemployment rate was the same as it was at the end of the Clinton administration and that a lot of things were up, such as home ownership which was at it's highest rate ever. Inflation was at a really low rate as well but naturally it's going back up pretty sharply which really can't be blamed on anyone (I'm sure some on my side of the fence will try to blame the Democrats but stuff like this just happens, it's unrealistic to expect a perfect economy because there will never be one).
Well basically, Kerry looks like politics-as-usual while Bush is utterly incompetent. Who knew we'd ever get driven to the point where politics-as-usual would actually be a step in the right direction? I do wish the Democrats had managed to field someone better, but I say that about both parties every election. The choice I have in front of me right now is Kerry vs Bush, and frankly it's not one I have to think too hard on. It's like the choice between being ignored or being beaten on with a spiked club.Quote:
Well, bring it then. I asked for a reason, and I'm getting "well he sucks and Kerry might not suck". What kind of reasoning is that?
James
Apparently not & for the record im not voting this year. I think this country's politics and media has sunk to a 5th grade level of immaturity and idiocy, on both sides. And really my life is not going to change much in either direction based on who i vote for, neither will yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Check it, whats the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy...
In a dictatorship you have one choice in a demcoracy you have two.
It's a good thing the USA is a republic then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOVESKI
Voting is good, it gives you a conscious right to bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOVESKI
We have become more democratic over the years, it’s no longer required to have a penis, land, and a lack of melanin to vote, but you're right, we still end up with elitist assholes in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Pretty simple, if you vote and the other guy wins you can say "I voted for the other guy". If you don't vote, you have no right to bitch because you didn't help that person's opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOVESKI
Oh ok.
Yeah I dont plan on bitching. I vote locally, I could really give a fuck whos president, theyre both fags.
I actually agree with what you intended to be put forward with this statement but when your second choice can offer such a wider variety of choices then your first choice it varies a good deal from the life long dictator that would run a dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOVESKI
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DOVESKI
LOL!
it was a bit of a joke - i can say that in the current race, if i were to vote, it would be for kerry based simply on the stem cell issue (Bush catering to his religious idiology and sacrificing a possible cure for alhzeimers, lou gehrigs disease, etc - is unexcusable in my book) other than that i see no difference between the candidates, both are for the war in iraq, bush wants a tax break for the rich, kerry wants to raise taxes for everyone, both are setting up a disaster for the small business sector, either way we middle class common folk will be stuck with the bill. and regardless i see no real change for the better coming from either candidate. both want to make me vomit when i hear them speak, albeit for different reasons.... again vote locally - i saw my vote count locally, awesome feeling indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/po...gn/07bush.html
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At one point, some of Mr. Bush's listeners began laughing when the president became tangled up in response to a question about the meaning of tribal sovereignty in the 21st century, and how Americans should resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and state governments.
"Tribal sovereignty means that it's sovereign," Mr. Bush replied. "You're a - you've been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities."
LOL @ that video.
Man, when he gets stumped, that chimpanzee resemblance really comes out. I was half expecting him to hop on top of the podium & start hooting at the crowd.
JM
Wow. How did this guy get elected in the first place and who thought he would do a good job?Quote:
Originally Posted by JM
I was reading an article in Wired that described the problem with some of the media holding a sort of copyright on interviews with the President (and others). It made the case that it's easy for GW to look intelligent if he can stay away from live debates and stick to controlled interviews behind closed doors with full rights and access to the tape, editing and content.
More things like that video need to get played so that maybe some of the "just because" Republicans will see what a winner we have in office.
im voting for bill clinton
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Originally Posted by missinghopper