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Right, so over the years I've amassed a collection of unopenned PS1 RPGs, and more and more I realize I don't have the 40 or so hours to complete each of them, So I'm thinking of playing one or two and sending the rest off to Ebay. Help a guy out and give me your opinions on these games:
Final Fantasy 9
Valkyrie Profile
Vagrant Story
Persona 2
Chrono Cross (just looking at the art I'm not too keen on the game)
Grandia
Dragon Warrior 7
Legend of Mana
Thanks! *-neo
Here are the ones I played:
Final Fantasy 9 - Very good game, a bit by the numbers though. I loved the artwork and the story moved quickly, so it was pretty entertaining, but it didnt like... reach for the stars, you know?
Valkyrie Profile - Highly overrated. Great art but gameplay is lacking.
Vagrant Story - I loved this. Great combat system and great graphics (at the time, they might blow chunks now.
Chrono Cross (just looking at the art I'm not too keen on the game) - If you do not play this game b/c of the art you are an idiot. Best RPG on PlayStation. Amazing game. Its in my top 10 of all time.
Grandia - Didnt like it. The combat system was ok but not as good as Chrono Cross, and had too much of that dopey ^_^ tee-hee stuff you see in Lunar and shit.
Dragon Warrior 7 - complete, total ass. Looks like it belongs in 1995, plays like it belongs in 1988. Not even worth looking at now. Ugly, boring, stiff, terrible story, horrible combat system...
I recommend Vagrant Story and Chrono Cross.
Valkyrie Profile
Vagrant Story
Those are the two I've heard the best things about. (But I'll buy Vagrant off you :P since it's pretty rare from what I've heard)
Everything else is average for the most part. 9 was good.
Legend of Mana... is actually quite fun, short, but plot wise it's lacking.
Actually I'll agree with DiffX Chrono Cross (not the best) is a really good RPG to submerse yourself in. Assuming you don't hate a main character that doesn't speak.
Final Fantasy 9 is my personal favorite one on the PS1, so it gets a big recommend. Dragon Warrior 7 is something I liked but requires huge amounts of time, and really is more of an RPG for the obsessive-compulsive character stat quester and nostalgia fan than the usual fare.
You'll probably get a strong recommendation on Valkyrie Profile from a bunch of people but for me it just never took. Loved the look, couldn't get into the game no matter how I tried.
As for the rest, I played Legend of Mana (very pretty but not very fun) and Grandia (wish it was better than it turned out to be) and Vagrant Story (liked the idea, hated the execution). God help me, that leaves only Persona 2 and Chrono Cross unplayed.
James
Final Fantasy 9 - pretty good so far I have yet to finish it. I"m somewhere in the second disc.
Vagrant Story - I need to try this game it gets nothing but praise.
Chrono Cross - good Game Its Not as good as Triger but Try it.
Grandia - I just finished this game in June. Its a bit lackluster towards the end but its a pretty enjoyable game. I beat in 35 hours.
Dragon Warrior 7 - I skipped this never to be played I really wanted to like it but didnt. For the same reasons diffusion x said plus I wasnt having fun.
Disagree here. VP is all about gameplay. It's got a great story too. Some ideas don't work perfectly, but it really tries to innovate and I give it serious props for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Agreed. The graphics don't hold up quite that well (this game was jaw-dropping when it came out), but it's still got great style.Quote:
Vagrant Story - I loved this. Great combat system and great graphics (at the time, they might blow chunks now.
Agree 100%.Quote:
Chrono Cross (just looking at the art I'm not too keen on the game) - If you do not play this game b/c of the art you are an idiot. Best RPG on PlayStation. Amazing game. Its in my top 10 of all time.
I really enjoyed the story in Grandia. I loved the sense of exploration and wonder in this game -- you really want to keep playing to see what kind of things you'll discover.Quote:
Grandia - Didnt like it. The combat system was ok but not as good as Chrono Cross, and had too much of that dopey ^_^ tee-hee stuff you see in Lunar and shit.
Agreed, although the 'you've done this before' feel didn't bug me. The battle system is pretty slow which is the game's biggest knock against it but I highly recommend it. Just try to ignore the half-assed logic they use for the final battle, they really forced in something that had no place.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Yes, CC is incredible. I haven't tried looking in a while so I'm not sure if there are better sound drivers but if so then I would highly recommend ePSXe or some other emulator. Running this game on the PS looks like crap but it's absolutely beautiful with a higher resolution, although the sound design is so great I wouldn't suggest sacrificing it if it doesn't work with an emu.Quote:
Chrono Cross (just looking at the art I'm not too keen on the game) - If you do not play this game b/c of the art you are an idiot. Best RPG on PlayStation. Amazing game.
I'll go against Valkyrie Profile being overrated (although I'm probably one of the people he got such an opinion from), I love the combo system combat and the sad stories make for a very different change of pace then other console RPGs.
I didn't like the micro-managment of Vagrant Story's weapon system which is why I ultimately stopped playing the game, but if I played it today I might hold a different opinion. Everything else about it was great.
Just to make sure, did you play Final Fantasy 7 or Final Fantasy Chronicles with FF2 and Chrono Trigger on it? If not, go try those first.
Otherwise just stick with FF9 and Chrono Cross. I still find Trigger much more enjoyable than Cross. I actually played Trigger through for the first time AFTER I played Cross.
diffx is pretty much dead-on about everything here.
FF9, for some reason, was a ton of fun despite the fact how generic and cliche a huge portion of it is. There's just something about it that's really charming and it was fun all the way through. Last FF I was able to say that about.
CC is also a wonderful game that a lot of people hate for the sole reason that it's not Chrono Trigger. No, it's not Chrono Trigger, but it was among the absolute best RPGs released for PS, with a fantastic combat engine, great soundtrack, and the only knock against it would be that most of its huge cast is pretty forgettable.
As for Dragon Warrior 7, I love the game. Despite the poor graphics (and hilarious CG videos), I had a ton of fun with it. Let me put it this way: if you're not a fan of the series already, this game isn't going to make you one. What I see as classic gameplay seems merely outdated to most people. If you're looking for a DW game to jump on with, wait for 8. I'm a bit nervous about how different it's going to be, but it looks very, very modern and very nice.
On a semi-related PS1 note, I grabbed FF Origins the other day and I'm enjoying the hell out of FF1. Very simplistic, but it's nice to play it in a form I can stand it in. I could never get into the original FF1, even as a kid, whereas DW was more my thing. I'm looking forward to actually finishing it, and giving FF2 a playthrough, as I never gave the rom translation more than a quick glance. For anyone who was interested and overlooked it, it's $15 at Best Buy now.
Final Fantasy 9-A solid game, and at least it was better than 8. The artwork was great, as others have said, and I consider the music to be the best of the PS1 FF's. It had great characters too. Vivi and Steiner, all the way.
Valkyrie Profile- I've spent the least amount of time with this game, so I don't really have much to say on it. Artistically and musically, it was awesome though.
Vagrant Story- Ok, the story, atmosphere and music of VS were nice. However, I think the combat system was broken, and you'll be doing alot of fighting.
Persona 2- Easily my favorite game on your list. Combat's only so-so, but the ability to converse with demons, and later equip them as Persona's, adds tons to the game. I also dig the art, music and characters here. This is a far different game than anything else you listed, and it's better for it. You should keep it, IMO.
Chrono Cross - I'll agree with what others have said here as well. I think it's superior to Crono Trigger too, take that as you will.
Grandia- The worst game on your list, I think. Combat's fun, but everything else was subpar, and I loathed the characters, though some of the worst voice acting I've ever heard may have had something to do with that.
Dragon Warrior 7- I'd say this was your other keeper, but that's because the game works pretty heavy on my nostalgia. I loved DW as a kid, and I enjoyed this. Nothing's changed though, and it's ugly to boot.
Legend of Mana- The mini-stories were actually pretty cool and the art's nice, but I think this is a throw away title. Not one of my fav's.
While I loved Dragon Warrior 7 I'd suggest skipping it if you're not a fan of the series. Grave was spot on with his blurb. The only other game on that list I played through was Chrono Cross. I really enjoyed it when it was released but I'm not sure how well it'll hold up now. I do remember loving the music, some of the best in an RPG outside of a Suikoden game.
I too enjoyed this game alot. I liked it so much, that I bought Grandia 2 for the DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
Play Vagrant Story... or die. One or the other. You must choose.
I really really loved FF9 and I should play it again sometime soon. It's true what Diff said about it being great but not being "that" monumental, like it was missing a little something to make it a little bit more of a bang. Still, you should really play it, the prettiest PS1 game I have/played.
Final Fantasy 9-I loved this final fantasy, a series that was starting to lose me. If you liked the old snes ones, it retains a lot of the same feel, The characters were liekable, the number of in-references was very high,and the plot development was gripping for me.
Valkyrie Profile-didnt play...have, but didnt play, darn you morrowind
Vagrant Story-never grabbed me, it certainly tried something different, and i woudl go so far as to say it streaches the definition of what i would consider a rpg, as it has a little twitch to it. never grabbed me, but it still a strong title, but not one of the 2 keepers.
Persona 2-again, got it, and havent played it, blame bethesda.
Chrono Cross (just looking at the art I'm not too keen on the game)-the game is better than many would have you beleive, the cast of characters is vast, and that throws people, since by the end half the cast is a controllable character, but i liked that. the combat system is clever and reminds me a little of xenogears,a nd the magic system is absolutely jam packed with bells and whistles. overall a very good game and one that i would keep if i were you. The plot is very, very good, but it really only fully makes sense in retrospect.
Grandia- I enjoyed it for largely the same reasons as sleeveboy, it does a good job of conveying a feeling of real adventure, and the combat system is strong, but if its only 2, then cut it, as the story does become formulaic, if you keep 3 keep this one too.
Dragon Warrior 7-yuk, i hated this game, nothing felt right at all, the classes stunk, the characters were silly and unlikeable, the storyline started promisingly, but then flopped very, very hard, sell only to someone without a working ps1, do not risk letting someone play this game.
Legend of Mana- im torn on this one, the game feels as deep as some open ended ones to me, and i love it to death, but if you dont get hooked, you will hate it, the combat system is kind of weak, the magic system is odd and not fully needed to beat the game, and the story is very odd, more of an experiment in game design then a standard game, its only worth it if you really feel like teaching yourself the deep customisation systems, such as weaponsmithing, monster breeding, and golem construction, since none really are explained very well in the game. Try it for a bit, you will know if you care for the different plot style...oh and the musicand art on this game kick everyones ass blindfolded.
my condolencesQuote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Chrono Cross is genius
Persona 2 is the only one out of the list I really liked. I couldn't really get into Valkyrie Profile but it wasn't bad.
I only played about 5 hours into Chrono Cross. Simply didn't have enough time for it. =\ Now I want to play it again =\ =\
I'd vote for Vagrant Story and Valkyrie Profile, I guess. Although I got bored with VP right away and sold it, I can see how some might think it great. VS though, is brilliant. By far the most fun I've had with a straight console RPG (KoTOR excluded), and still looks pretty good today if you turn on PS2's filtering.
Chrono Cross is ugly as hell, had a lame story, and a lame, although extensive, cast of characters. Some of the music is beautiful, but otherwise, I have no idea why it's so esteemed. I didn't dig the magic system too much either, but I suppose it's a step from typical FF fluff.
FF9 was okay, but I only watched someone else play every now and then. I liked the skill system better than most FFs.
Holy crap, me and Diff agree on games?
Play Chrono Cross. Sell the rest.
FF9: If you can overlook the insane miss ratio on some skills, it is quite nice. Worth playing once.
...wow i have become so jaded over the years.
Grandia 2 on the DC was'nt that bad. It was'nt as great as Grandia on the PSX (Or Saturn if you imported), but it shared a lot of simularities with the first title. The characters were so simular to those of the first, that it seemed like you were playing the same game again, but with added FMV on special attacks. I can't comment on the subpar port for the PS2, as I never played it.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
no gamevet, actually what bothered me about grandia 2 was the main character, after playign a wide eyed and hopeful kid, you were now stuck with a constantly annoying cynical twit. also the story arc seemed to be almost contradicting the first grandia's more upbeat and positive story of humanity comign back into communion with the spirits, grandia 2 went the opposite direction of humans just relying on themselves, including the trite as hell singing scene. It seemed that after loving grandia 1 so much, and likeing the gameplay and set up of g2, it just pulled the rug out of me,and had me pissed off by the final ending.
Final Fantasy 9 - Most enjoyable Final Fantasy ever.
Vagrant Story - Great game if you like insane levels of customisation and strategy, but if you're looking for a fun easy-to-pick game... look on further.
Grandia - Annoying characters, great battle system.
Final Fantasy IX is in my Top Ten so I've no choice but to recommend it. Highly.
I'd recommend Persona 2, just because it's a diferent setting than the rest, and Valkyrie Profile.
off topic (sort of): I'm actually playing through DC Grandia 2 again at the moment. Whilst it is quite a departure emotionally from the original, I loved Millenia. It's also one of the few RPgs where I look forward to battle. Did suck having a main character that I hated for the first half of the game though first time I played it.
Has anyone played the PS2 version? I heard it's supposed to have new cinemas, but was wondering if they were just tacked on crap, or actually added more story.
Final Fantasy 9 is the last FF that I know I'll enjoy and the only FF I would ever tell anyone to play. The entire experience of the game comes off as your typical, serious FF game but theres something about it that makes it feel as if it's some whacky, fun adventure. I can't quite put my finger on it but there is something undeniably fun about the entire trip.
Plus the main character, Zidane is pretty unique as far as FF games go. By that I mean that hes not an annoying, whiny piece of shit.
GoGoGo on FF9.
(PS: Best. Battle Theme. Ever.)
Final Fantasy 9 - Wasn't very memorable for me, but worth giving a run or two.
Valkyrie Profile - Didn't play
Vagrant Story - Bought it but haven't started it yet (playing Tales of Symphonia)
Persona 2 - Didn't play, but the theme seems awesome.
Chrono Cross - Not the best game ever, but it is a good one. It surprises me when people, especially Trigger vets, point out things they don't like that they never say there weren't enough techs.
Grandia - Good game with a great battle engine.
Dragon Warrior 7 - Great if you're in to old, old school RPGs, and have a lot of time on your hands.
Legend of Mana - I liked the battle system, the extreme depth of item customization, and breeding the perfect pet. You know a game's deep when you can name and re-name any of your weapons and armor. But the stories are a little shallow, but I didn't let that rain on my monster-slaying parade.
Really tough choice for me.
Grandia on the PS and Grandia on the Saturn are like night and day, the Saturn rev is so much better in so many ways (loading times, GRAPHICS, etc.). I wouldn't bother with the PS version of Grandia. Sell it. Then use that money and hunt down a Saturn version, and play it. It was one of my fave RPGs on the Saturn back in the day. Loved it from start to finish.
Grandia 2 (DC, never played the PS2 rev but I've heard the graphics are awful in comparison, it's glitchy as hell, and is prone to freezing/crashing) was such a boring game, I was beyond disappointed. I tried so hard to like that game, and so hard to finish it, but I gave up about halfway through. It was just too boring and stupid, despite the nice battle system and snazzy graphics.
Final Fantasy 9
Of the recent (ie... Post SNES) FF's this is my favorite. 8/10
Valkyrie Profile
Beautiful to look at. Otherwise this RPG is highly overrated, IMHO. Some people swear by it, but I say it's a bore. 6/10
Vagrant Story
Of all the RPG's here, this is the one I'd play first. Great story, great combat system that keeps you "in the game", great score. Awesome. 10/10
Persona 2
Havent's played.
Chrono Cross (just looking at the art I'm not too keen on the game)
Perhaps the most criticized PS1 RPG of all, this one has an excellent story, great interface and incredible music. Forget about comparing this to Chrono Trigger, it stands up very well on its own. 9/10
Grandia
Play the Saturn version (JPN) if possible. Otherwise 7/10.
Dragon Warrior 7
If you start playing this one, you might not get to any of the others. This is an old school RPG that will take you a TON of hours to get through. I quit after 100+ hours because I just had had enough. 8/10
Legend of Mana
Haven't played it, but I recall many were disappointed with it.
Might I also recommend Brigandine as a fine choice.
FF9 - Great game.
Chrono Cross - Hideous game. The biggest dissapointment ever for me. Great graphics though. Probably the best graphics on the PS1, some of the boss battles are really cool. But overall, avoid like the plague.
Grandia - really underatted. I enjoyed it a lot, even though it took me 4 years to beat it.
Final Fantasy 9 - Probably the cutesiest game in the series, but the story is quite well told with a really unique look to its world. Well worth playing.
Grandia - Not a fan. Its battle system is no longer innovative, everything is hyper-choppy and the story is written for 8 year olds.
Dragon Warrior 7 - Only recommended if you really, really, really like Dragon Warrior's random battles. I won it just to prove that I could, but I probably could have spent the 120 hours on four other good rpgs. Does possess a unique defiantly 8-bit charm, though.
As much as I liked the original Persona, you'd think I'd love Persona 2 - but the battle system they put into place was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
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Originally Posted by FuryFox
Boring? I can see how people wouldn't like it for its setup, combat, item and creation systems, or building characters to send them off design, but boring? That just puzzles me.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
You wished it was something it wasn't, didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingFlash
I think it was the same issue for me. Many of the elements that made the original so great was missing. And it also did a ton of things wrong. The battle system was great until you figure out how badly implemented the summons were. Same goes for the insane amunt of characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
I think that if I didn't use the summons and all the characters I would have liked the game much better.
You know, I've always thought Final Fantasy has too many weapons. They really need to take out all of those and just leave "Sword" and "Stick," because having so many to pick from and upgrade just ruins the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
I thinnk the most annoying thing is finding those low level weapons in the latter part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
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OMG PHAT LEWT! I wonder what it could be!
*opens chest*
"sword"
...
#$$%^$^&$
I'll bet it's tough being a completionist for totally optional things that are pure extras for people who want to put forth the effort to get bonuses. Do you also hate CT and CC for having multiple endings, since they're also totally optional bonuses only put in there for people who want to play over and over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
I hate the way CT did it, but I nevered really cared about the alternate endings. There was normal ending in CT and the Uber ending, I got both, never cared about the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
I didn't go through CC a second time, so I didn't care. Basically, I am saying that I only care if it is part of the core game. And more often than not, I get angry at myself, like when I didn't do the vampire quest in Valkyrie Profile properly.
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Originally Posted by MechDeus
My problem with VP was that it just overwhelmed me with the decisions I had to make. I wasn't sure on what to do with what characters, as far as abilities and sending them on, so I just stopped playing. I am about to give it another go though, so we'll see what happens.
The characters look pretty basic, nothing really jumped out like Chrono Trigger's art. Still it seems to held in high favor, I think I'll try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Probably keep Final Fantasy 9 or Persona 2. I picked up the Final Fantasy 9 artbook when the game was released and it does look like something I'd enjoy (as opposed to 8 or 10).
Thanks for the responses. *-neo
You can't get all the characters without going through multiple times either, but you obivously cared about them since they affect your view of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
You can ignore the majority of the attainable characters for the core game since they're primarily bonus.Quote:
Basically, I am saying that I only care if it is part of the core game.
That hardly sounds like the fault of the game.Quote:
And more often than not, I get angry at myself, like when I didn't do the vampire quest in Valkyrie Profile properly.
Seriously, you're saying that a game is not as good because you don't like the extras. Think about that for a minute. Is SFIII:TS a lesser game because the System Direction lets you turn off parrying?
Yeah, I can totally see that. I think I started a new game about three times before I really had a grasp on how it all works and what I was supposed to be doing and what characters I should be sending, I just didn't understand it being boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by taloony
I thought Chrono Cross was very good. Not any better than any of the PSX Final Fantasies, even though I'm not a fan of FF8. Chrono Cross' story never interested me, it needed a REAL villain. I thought the Home World and Other World were too similar (they basically just changed background music) so it felt like the entire game was a buncha backtracking to me. I could never figure out what to do next as well, that may have been just me.
I would play Final Fantasy 9. It's really easy to get through and the story's entertaining up until it gets a bit stupid at the end.
I would play Legend of Mana for a week or 2 and get rid of it. You'll get a basic idea of how it works after a few hours. If you don't feel like finishing it then, you probably wouldn't ever want to. I got stuck in it long long ago, I can't figure out how to finish the damned game. Stupid openendedness...
I got most of them though like 30 or so. But none of them had and real depth to them except the main few. Many of the characters were also redundant. And when I said core, I mean what you can do within the game in one play through.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
I don't like POORLY IMPLEMENTED EXTRA'S. A great idea with shitty execution is still crap.Quote:
Seriously, you're saying that a game is not as good because you don't like the extras. Think about that for a minute. Is SFIII:TS a lesser game because the System Direction lets you turn off parrying?
Never said it was. Hence getting angry at myself. :pQuote:
That hardly sounds like the fault of the game.
This is a common misconception. I too believed the same thing, at one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
On my second runthrough, many years lately, if you read between the lines (and depending on the path you take and the characters you bring), a good deal of the "redundant" characters are actually connected to each other.
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Originally Posted by Roufuss
... Might have to track down CC again.
How was it poorly implemented? You track them down and sometimes do a little something to sway them. That's pretty much every PC and console RPG ever. The only difference between CC and other RPGs is that by and large other RPGs have a lot of distinctive characters that stand there and say something, and then run away or stand in the same place no matter what else happens. CC gives you those characters and lets you fight with them instead of having them be functionally useless. Why is getting something that you would normally be denied for no real good reason such a bad thing (not just directed at you, a lot of people complained about having to pick from a large assortment)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
1. Some characters have exactly the same attributes and felt like the play exactly the same. Barely any interaction either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
2. I thought the characters didn't have much depth to them and that the depth was spread too thinly between te characters. I am going to retry this game so I could see what Roufuss was talking about.
Personally, Final Fantasy 9 is my favorite game of the FF series... so yeah, I'd highly recommend it. I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of love it's getting in this thread, too, as I thought most people disliked/ignored it. <3
On the other hand, I'm disturbed by how much praise Chrono Cross is getting. It wasn't a bad game, by any means... but the highlight was definitely the presentation. There isn't a whole lot of character depth, and most people I've met are of the opinion that CC's story wrecks what was set up in Chrono Trigger.
... I guess TNL just attracts people with strange taste. :x
You're still going to have some characters who server no purpose whatsoever in the game, and are really just thrown in for the hell of it (like the space alien and cave girl), but a good majority of the beginning characters serve an overall purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
When you start, take Miki (the rock star) as your way into the castle, and keep him in your party to see what I mean. He interacts with at least 3 other people in a unique level, 3 people who I assumed were worthless in the overall game (including Miki).
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
Hey, I tried like hell to get into the game after hearing so much about it. I thought it was an absolute snoozefest. Different strokes, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Chrono Cross was great, except for the stupid one-sentence endings for my party members. That shit was infuriating.
So if I'm reading you right: Including extras that don't affect the story are bad and not including extras makes a game better? You confound me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
And what exactly did CT set up? CC ties up a loose end from CT which is part of an almost totally unrelated journey. The only thing it "wrecked" regarding CT was people who wanted a direct CT2. God forbid a world should actually have some depth to it, there are other people besides Crono walking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
You're wierd. [/little kid]Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
I would argue the merits of CC here, but honestly if I have to participate in another "merits of CC" debate on a message board I'm going to barf.
CC is the best console RPG ever made. If you don't agree you have shitty taste in RPGs.
Hell I might as well put that in my sig. Save myself the trouble in the future.
I believe this news. If you dont agree with sleeve or I, then you just dont get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
Fuck the haters.
i agree 100% with every word, my shoegazer-enjoying friend. except i never finished saturn grandia (save file got erased at 45 hours)... and i did finish the ever-bland grandia 2 on DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by blueskied
Heh... don't look at me, I barely even remember what the hell CC was about. I'm just saying, it's a common complaint I've heard. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Ah, okay. By and large it seems to be that if someone didn't like CC it's because they wanted a CT2 with Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Robo once again travelling. It's not that that can't be great but it blinded a lot of people, so when they didn't get a traditional sequel they felt robbed because they were unwilling to look at anything in the Chrono world from a different point of view. Shame really, because that very notion is one of the things that made CC such a great sequel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
If there are so many arguments about the merits of CC, how is it the best console RPG ever? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
CC was pretty good, but I'd hesitate to say it's the best console RPG. Chrono Trigger at least matches it in terms of overall quality, if not exceeds; FF6 and FF7 are pretty big contenders, and then there are the DQ games... and so on, and so forth.
No I am saying that if they took the effort of all those extras, out them into 11 or so characters instead of 40, I would have liked it more. What I am saying is that the story of each character was spread too thin because of the effort focusing on 40 or so characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Does that make sense?
Because of what I just said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
None in the slightest. They did put all the effort into a primary group of characters, the rest were just people that decided to help. Not every person has some huge life-threatening deal as to why they want to help others or join those who are fighting to save the world. If the entire cast had been that way, sure, I could see your problem, but they weren't. There was a focus on the few that the story revolved around and then there were those who tagged along for the ride, not every soldier who fights in a war is doing so because of a personal relation to who they're up against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
Er. What, the part about it not being a tradtional sequel?Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
What Damian's saying makes perfect sense, in my opinion. The large cast of characters in CC was one of my gripes with the game as well... I would've preferred Square focused on fleshing out the main cast even more, rather than cramming in a bunch of bonus charcters just for the sake of having bonus characters. RPG's are all about story, it kind of detracts from the overall experience to have a bunch of one dimensional characters following your hero around.Quote:
None in the slightest. They did put all the effort into a primary group of characters, the rest were just people that decided to help. Not every person has some huge life-threatening deal as to why they want to help others or join those who are fighting to save the world. If the entire cast had been that way, sure, I could see your problem, but they weren't. There was a focus on the few that the story revolved around and then there were those who tagged along for the ride, not every soldier who fights in a war is doing so because of a personal relation to who they're up against.
Now your "sword/stick" analogy, that doesn't make sense. Weapons aren't the main focus of the game, they can afford to be shallow and plentiful.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on that point.Quote:
They did put all the effort into a primary group of characters
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
I feel different, but then, I also enjoy SRPGs and Suikoden.Quote:
RPG's are all about story, it kind of detracts from the overall experience to have a bunch of one dimensional characters following your hero around.
Extra characters in combat that aren't part of the story are extra weapons. The story - which is the main focus - continues regardless of who you're currently equipped with (exclusion with Kid in certain locations).Quote:
Now your "sword/stick" analogy, that doesn't make sense. Weapons aren't the main focus of the game, they can afford to be shallow and plentiful.
Whether or not you liked the effort is a different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
I appreciate the effort that went into the game, but I think they made soem bad design choices like having 40 characters. Story does have some ties with CT(which I never got). I actually did beat CC a second time now that I think about it. You go to beat lavos as early as possible at that beach with the egg to get the best ending ringht?Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
EDIT: Hey I hated Zelda tOoT yet loved MM so i have some weird tastes.
It's been a while since I played CT so I can't remember exactly what it was between Schala and Kid, but here on GameFAQs if you scroll down to Story Guide it'll explain all the connections. There was also a lot of little things like the house from CT with Robo, the letter from Lucca, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
The best ending is done with using the right combination of the Chrono Cross on Lavos, which I think can be done at any time, even your first time through.Quote:
I actually did beat CC a second time now that I think about it. You go to beat lavos as early as possible at that beach with the egg to get the best ending ringht?
THat is correct. ... ... SHIT I need to go play through again!
Heh, a guy asks for opinions about games he's obviously never played, and now one of them is getting spoiled left and right.
Oh well. I never liked Chrono Cross, and it has nothing to do with Chrono Trigger. I just never cared about any of the characters and the plot was pretty dull to me. I enjoyed the battle system but it wasn't enough to keep me playing.
After all these nice things about FFIX I just bought the Japanese version on ebay for $1.29. Even if I end up hating it, who cares. It was only $1.29. That has to be the least amount I've ever payed for a game.
Oh crap, I don't know what the heck I was thinking when I wrote that. Sorry.
Ah yes, now I remember. That thing was ridiculously hard to pull of and you pretty much had to pray that you were lucky to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Ps thanks for the edit sleeveboy
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian79
Just load up your party with all six element colors and watch Lavos' pattern. After a while it starts casting spells in the right pattern. Either listen for the correct tones or look at the bright colored circles at the bottom of the screen. It's pretty idiot-proof.
And you're welcome btw.
Oh, it does. Atleast i did it quicker. :p
I did the "hard" way and tried set myself to do the next several attacks.
I am not sure that is how I did it. All i remember is that is was hard. :/
My opinion may not be as informed as most people in this thread, neo, but nonetheless you might find it interesting.
I dislike 99.9% of the many RPGs I've tried, but Vagrant Story is easily one of the best five games I've ever played.