Bret Hart in WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw

Behold..."The Excellence of Execution!"

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There's more over on IGN's latest WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw update, including new shots of the "legend" (classic) versions of The Undertaker and Kane, as well as the full roster (minus six more legends, which they'll reveal in the near future).

Speaking of the roster, I'm surprised at some of the omissions. Where are Lita, Spike Dudley, Sylvain Grenier, Rob Conway, Billy Kidman, and Paul London, all of whom have been featured in WWE storylines rather prominently recently? What about Billy Gunn, Jamie Noble, Nunzio, Johnny Stamboli, Maven, Val Venis, Steven Richards...the list goes on and on. Quite a few women (Dawn Marie, Nidia, Jazz, Gail Kim, and Miss Jackie) are absent from the roster, too. Oh well, I suppose players will be getting a lot of mileage out of the "create a wrestler" feature.

I wonder who the other six legends are going to be? I'm going to guess that The Rock and Mick Foley will be two of them.

Yup, Bret will be neat, hopefully, this game has better gameplay than SD 5. Also, there's already an SD 6 thread.

That sharpshooter animation is horrible. He isn't even doing it right!

HA! I like that screenshot of him Sharpshooting HBK! Oh the irony.

DoR just has the Rock's Shitshooter animation, so this one isn't THAT bad. Although it is horribly incorrect, as he should use the left arm and leg, and lock them ala the OTHER right-armed non-Rock sharpshooter in SD 5.

I just hope that one of the legends is THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN with actual theme music having him come out in SD5 without maniacal laughter is just a damn shame.

omfg Bret Hart. I really don't care for the Smackdown engine but I was looking forward to trying out this game. Heres my motivation I guess.

Now...WHERES IRS!?

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I just hope that one of the legends is THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN with actual theme music

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Originally Posted by Sl1p

Now...WHERES IRS!?

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i <3 Money, Inc.

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Speaking of the roster, I'm surprised at some of the omissions. Where are Lita, Spike Dudley, Sylvain Grenier, Rob Conway, Billy Kidman, and Paul London, all of whom have been featured in WWE storylines rather prominently recently? What about Billy Gunn, Jamie Noble, Nunzio, Johnny Stamboli, Maven, Val Venis, Steven Richards...the list goes on and on. Quite a few women (Dawn Marie, Nidia, Jazz, Gail Kim, and Miss Jackie) are absent from the roster, too. Oh well, I suppose players will be getting a lot of mileage out of the "create a wrestler" feature.

I wonder who the other six legends are going to be? I'm going to guess that The Rock and Mick Foley will be two of them.

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With All those people missing and the are active in the storylines now that game is going to suck. You named like all the active women wrestlers... The game is going to have like 2 women wrestlers? Sable(who isn't in the WWE anymore) and who Ivory? Oh yeah i forgot about Stephanie(who isn't on tv anymore) and Trish and i guess Stacy, but that's still not enough... LET'S GO RUMBLE ROSES!!!

This means nothing to anyone who isn't a wrestling fan.

As I am one, this is big news. Guess Bret and Vince kissed and made up.

Bret and Vince are trying to work together in some ways, with Bret appearing in two upcoming WWE games, it would appear that things are going well between them.

Unless Bret is just lulling Vince into a false sense of security until he can get close enough to Sharpshooter him to death for killing Owen.

This is huge news. I never in a million years would have expected Brett Hart to work with Vince McMahon again. I wonder what set this off (needs money?)

I've never really been interested in any other wrestling games apart from No Mercy and Def Jam. But this looks great and should be a worthy addition to my collection. *Rubs hands* whens it out?

There are a lot less wrestlers this year, which is a shame, but supposedly it's because of the graphic boost and voice samples. Oh well, I generally don't play as too many of the wrestlers anyway, but the legends list better get better, because this year blows compared to last year (and that's saying something)

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Originally Posted by Agent X

Speaking of the roster, I'm surprised at some of the omissions. Where are Lita, Spike Dudley, Sylvain Grenier, Rob Conway, Billy Kidman, and Paul London, all of whom have been featured in WWE storylines rather prominently recently? What about Billy Gunn, Jamie Noble, Nunzio, Johnny Stamboli, Maven, Val Venis, Steven Richards...the list goes on and on. Quite a few women (Dawn Marie, Nidia, Jazz, Gail Kim, and Miss Jackie) are absent from the roster, too. Oh well, I suppose players will be getting a lot of mileage out of the "create a wrestler" feature.

I wonder who the other six legends are going to be? I'm going to guess that The Rock and Mick Foley will be two of them.

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Nobody cares about those characters they've omitted. Especially Billy Gunn.

I really like the inclusion of Hart, but what's up with that sharpshooter? They need to re-animate a brand new one that looks like the Bret Hart sharpshooters... he does the best one and that one above of him doing it is absolutely lame. But it's Yukes, don't expect excellence.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Unless Bret is just lulling Vince into a false sense of security until he can get close enough to Sharpshooter him to death for killing Owen.

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That I would so much like to see. :nod:

Mzo, while it's big news for the game, although I wouldn't call it huge news for WWE games, as Bret is in DoR, which will be coming out first, and will mark the first WWF/E game with him in it since Warzone.

The only difference is that no one cares about DoR.

So in my mind, this is big news.

Always cool to have Bret. I hope the Legends have music this time.

three more legends announced:

Roddy Piper (80's with the long hair)
Jimmy Snuka (barefoot with the tiger stripped tights)
Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake

still four more legends that haven't been announced yet according to IGN.

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The only difference is that no one cares about DoR.

So in my mind, this is big news.

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Day of Reckoning engine > Smackdown engine

Yup. Also, the Rock is likely in as a legend, given that a pic of him in old attire and no massive tat has been shown.

I care about DoR. Wrestlemania XIX is fun as hell... it just has some problems as every game does that I hope DoR fix or at least nullify.

The Rock, Mankind, and the Road Warriors are the last legends announced.

Legends list loses so many from last year... this year should have been BETTER, not work. Rock should be a non-legend... Undertaker and Kane should be seperate attire, and nothing more. Oh well, I'm enjoying playing it right now :)

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Yup. Also, the Rock is likely in as a legend, given that a pic of him in old attire and no massive tat has been shown.

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Yeah. I saw on IGN that when I scrolled through the photo album I came across a Mankind picture of him taunting with his hand raised. This model couldn't of been a create a wrestler, seeing as no create a wrestlers were posted in those photos. So the cat was out of the bag early this year, which is fine.

They should sign these superstars up for the videogames for the long term. You've got Brutus the Barber, Bret Hart, Andre (where's Hogan? They go together) and Mankind all in there, now sign them up and hire on 2 guys to polish them up year after year and keep them relevant. I personally want Mr. Perfect, Yokozuna and Million Dollar Man above all else.

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Originally Posted by TobalRox

Legends list loses so many from last year... this year should have been BETTER, not work. Rock should be a non-legend... Undertaker and Kane should be seperate attire, and nothing more. Oh well, I'm enjoying playing it right now :)

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No, The Rock is a legend. But because he comes back every now and again to wrestle means you could probably put him in the game. Having people like Macho Man, Warrior, Hogan and Andre in the game is great... I hope they'll keep adding them. But seriously, I wonder why they removed some?

Contracts were only good for the one game, so they had to renew the contracts.

All they need to do now is bring back the greatest wrestler ever to live: Mr. Perfect.

Simply... perfect.

See, I'd rather have gimmicky wrestlers than good wrestlers. I mean, wo the F cares about playing as Snuka? He did a flying splash? So what, about 15 other wrestlers in the game did that too. He was a great wrestler for his day, but I'd rather have shit like Doink, Dink, Duke the Dumpster, IRS, Repo Man, DEMOLITION, Mantaur, razor Ramon, Diesel, Papa Shango, and other people like that.

Of course, if they don't get actual music and entrances, than I don't care at all.

I case some of you didn't know Bret Hart made ammeds with Vince and Bret Hart was supposed to make an appearance at RAW.

Yeah. Of course.

Bret was never going to make an appearance at Raw. He was in Toronto, but not for that. Also, they'd BETTER put in full themes this year.

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Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake

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To me, Brutus Beefcake will always be a legend, not so much for his wrestling career, but for causing an anthrax scare at the Downtown Crossing T station by leaving a bag of cocaine at the counter of the fare collection booth he worked at. Ed Leslie is the man.

I haven't played a wrestling game in quite a while, but has any game recently had a classic Hulk Hogan with Real American as his entrance theme? That theme alone would make me buy a new wrestling game.

didn't Ed Leslie also put himself on eBay? something like the winner recieves a call from him? or maybe that was Buff Bagwell. hard to tell one washed up wrestler from another. definitely legend material.

Well, you could make in happen in RAW 2.