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In moves that parallel Sega's "the Saturn failed because inept developers were too lazy to synchronise the two processors" stance; Sony shift the responsibility of good battery life on to the developers:
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Way to piss off everyone they rely on; do they think they're Nintendo?
Considering this is something that the developers probably want to know, I'm surprised this wasn't included in the SDK sooner. It'd also explain why there hasn't been any solid answer as to the PSP's battery life with games. Well, whatever.
THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR PSP (PRETTY SHITTY PORTABLE HAHA)
I'm going to love seeing this thing rightfully bomb. May God help us all if it actually succeeds.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy
Hey, it's been NINE years since Sony began dominating, and this is the best chance yet of seeing them fall flat on their faces.
It'll be interesting to see how Sony markets this and how it does.
If they wrote SONY on dog shit it would sell. Don't underestimate Sony marketing power and the idiocy of America PSP will be huge wether we or the developers like it or not.
I say Nintendo need to make a mess of the DS and open the market before PSP can win outright.
With an earlier release date, less than half the price, backwards compatibility and a dynasty that goes back more than a decade working in its favor, I don't see the DS "opening the market" for anyone, really. Sony even tried to cop-out of this kind of conflict by issuing a press release saying that they're not attempting to openly compete with Nintendo's handheld market, but rather target an altogether new audience.
I'm not against the PSP or anything like that, just trying to shed a little light on the subject.
Sony already seems pretty worried about both the battery life and the price point of the PSP. If Sony weren't Sony, I doubt any developers would seriously sign on at this point. Something tells me they should have redesigned the thing in the planning stage and gone for something to compete with the SP and DS.
At this rate, my doubt over the system continues to grow. I wasn't a big fan of the Game Gear, Lynx, or Nomad over shitty battery life. And a $300-ish handheld with shitty battery life is exciting me less and less.
Explain the PSX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojack
He shoots, he scoresQuote:
Originally Posted by dog$
how is it a cop-out? the psp is a portable game system and somewhat of an all in one media device. the ds isnt. two different markets. i dont see where the cop-out is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViciousJazz
They're going to have overlap in the portable gaming market, obviously. It's less two different markets than it is sharing one, and then the PSP attracting folks from another market into it.
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Originally Posted by Critical Overdrive
how so, didnt the psx only have a small run and only in japan at that? i know it was supposed to come out here via the playstation online store, but until something is released worldwide in a more accessable and marketed way, i dont see how low sales could be a blemish.
btw, i thought it sold well despite them stripping most of the features out.
right so theyre still not going straight for the portable gaming market like the ds is. which is what their press release stated. so again how is what they said a cop-out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
The PSX tanked hardcore in Japan, that's why there was, rightfully, never any talk of bringing it over here.
i remember finding a page at one time to pre-order one at playstation.com. cant find it now tho :(
just saw they finally dropped the LE colored systems to $200 as well over there. http://www.us.playstation.com/purchase.aspx?id=97008
Thats what theyre trying to do though. Theyre not trying to target the kids that Nintendo sells the Game Boy Advance to, theyre trying to target adults.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViciousJazz
Keep in mind that this was exactly the same thing that they did with the PlayStation.
For a second, I thought you meant the OTHER PSX (what really isn't called PSX but what everybody called the PSX), and I was really, really confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
*New PSP Game Review*
Graphics: 10
Gameplay: 9
Sound: 9.5
Replay Value: 9
Battery Life: 3
Overall: 7
ooooo....thats witty. moreso when you have a Nintendo themed av.
True. But Playstation also gobbled up the kiddie space left by the esoteric Saturn and the heap-of-shit N64. I don't see Nintendo losing that market with the DS because they might as well go back to selling playing cards if they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Maybe we'll get games with a little battery meter in the corner like MMOs and ping counters so that we're not surprised when some games use up twice as much juice. Perhaps I should just wait for the PSPSP that has an improved battery.I can't believe I laughed at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
Same here, damn people calling the PS the PSX for so long is messing with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Or get the PSPlayer, something I undoubtedly believe will be an add-on to the PS3. Though I've never known Sony to be the add-on type. It's more Nintendo's territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
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Originally Posted by Bojack
Not at $350 per unit.
You can buy two Nintendo DS systems plus a game for the price of one PSP.
Tell that to those who supported DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameFreak
Sony didn't do shit to promote the PSX didn't they? I thought that that was some sort of market experiment thing so of course it probably didn't do well.
What makes anyone think that people will actually play the PSP outside the home?
Why would I take a $350 handheld with me everywhere I went, risking damage or theft at every turn? If people will mug you for an iPod why not for a PSP?
Sony *can* screw up (betamax, memorystick, PDAs, netmd) and they've gone too long without doing so in the console market.
Eh, PSP will do well despite battery life if it launches with a FFVII spinoff. With all the fanboys out there you can put the FFVII logo on cow bile and it would sell.
The PSX (PS2-DVD Recorder Hybrid) failed so hard that the PSX (PlayStation) gets to keep its acronym.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
I want a PSP, but I REFUSE to believe Sony is retarded enought to put a handheld on the market with a battery life that ranges from 2 hours to 10. I think the reason they haven't announced official ANYTHING yet is because they're still working behind the scenes to make sure this thing was a success.
*sigh* Both Nintendo AND Sony rushed in to making new handhelds before the end of the year, and it looks like we are going to be picking up the pieces. I think the PSP is a little ahead of it's time, and in this day and age Li-ion batteries just can't cut it, yet. I'm willing to wait a few years for a PSP that is Ps2 quality and has 10 hours of play time sturdy, and I'm willing to wait a couple years to have a DS that won't have shitty games rushed out the door to meet the holiday deadline.
Quoted for emphasis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six
Isn't beta still used professionally today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Six
Yeah, not sure if it's the Betamax, but beta tapes are still used.
Little bit from Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10...s_6109524.html
"Sony's PSP is at "high risk" of a substantial delay--into next year for Japan, and perhaps all the way to November 2005 for the US market. That's the word from two separate memos sent on consecutive business days from noted industry analysts."
"Meanwhile, Piper Jaffray & Co. paints an even gloomier picture for the PSP's launch ambitions. In a report released today, the securities firm expects the handheld "to launch later than the current March 2005 expectation. First, Sony is usually late with most product introductions…and we are hearing that the platform has other issues such as thermal problems (transistors are running very hot) and a very short battery life (90 minutes) that will almost certainly delay the launch." All this points to a November 2005 launch in the US (possibly alongside the next Xbox system), the report concludes."
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Originally Posted by Rumpy
Bwahahahahhaahahaha
Well then...thats just messed up. I was hoping to be able to import it for Christmas...but nope...
90 minutes...greatness. God bless Sony.
When I first heard Sony was designing a handheld system, I figured they were in it for the long haul, and serious about taking a sizable share of Nintendo's market.
It's beginning to seem like they don't have a clue how to design a handheld system. But they should. They're Sony. These are GameGear/Lynx-style mistakes they're making, if not worse.
And being Sony has, what exactly to do with properly designing a handheld gaming device? What products does Sony make that are better than anything else the competition can offer and earns them this lofty status?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilykat
I don't think they really want any of the handheld gaming market. I think it is (was?) an attempt at the iPod and portable video player market, added another device to boost MemoryStick sales, and an easy way to sell lots and lots of profitable accessories. Video games just seemed an easy race to win seeing how flawlessly the PS and PS2 have done.
Or maybe not.
That is one great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilykat
LOL to THAT comment. Just leaves a whole effing year with the DS. Way to go, Sony!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Excellent, it's a $300 pop-tart, wonder who will be the first sap to get second degree burns from holding the thing in a death grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
I wouldn't really poke fun at the PSP if it was in early stages of development but these concerns should have been addressed before a public unveiling. *-neo
How does it get that hot when it only has 90 minutes to do so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Because the machine is a mess aparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Is there any posative news about the progress what-so-ever for the PSP? None of the developers are using the actual hardware, just emulation. They have no idea how long the battery will last they just have to guess, and now find out they also are in charge of the battery life 100%, and are looking at like 90 minutes now max. And who knows how techinicaly advanced the games are that are burning it out at 90 minutes. And if you watch the videos for the games they are all over the map in terms of graphical levels. Gran Turismo 4 Mobile makes it look like a spot on PS2 game, while Hot Shots Golf looks like a late generation PSone game.
What a mess.
Your freaking kidding me, the thing is having LESS than GameGear/Nomad battery life issues?! AND it's overheating in such a short amount of time?! Good lord, I thought potentially 5 or 6 hours battery life was bad enough, but it's been running out of juice and get hot enough to burn your hands in less-than and hour-and-a-half? Good lord...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
No kidding, man, this company freaking pioneered the Walkman, there really is no excuse for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilykat
Still, with the multitude of issues having been having with PS1 and PS2s dying prematurely for years it doesn't suprise me their running into these kinds of monumental bumps in the road prepping the launch of a new system. But still, 1.5 hours battery life...systems overheating in such a short span of time like that...and they've already showcased it at E3 and the Tokyo game shows hyping it's launch. This is flabberghasting. :yuck:
I'd wager it'll do better if released in the holiday season than it would in March.Quote:
LOL to THAT comment. Just leaves a whole effing year with the DS. Way to go, Sony!
Not that I'm rooting for it to do anything other than fail miserably and take people's blind love for the PS brand down a notch.
The company that pretty much created the world of portable music, and the company whose head was furious that Nintendo was the company to come up with the GameBoy. Where has that gotten them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok the Red
It's taken them this long to respond to the GameBoy, and if this talk is true, their response is turning out to be a mess.
They're been rendered obsolete in the portable music market, Apple is the new Sony, the iPod is the new Walkman, and Sony's first real answer to the iPod, their recently released whatevertheyarecalled, are far too late and a total joke.
I like Sony, but when it comes to portable entertainment, it's almost amazing how much they're screwing up.
So how can this thing play UMD movies for less time than it can games?
The only thing I can think of is that it accesses the disc more during movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
BTW, I am loving every minute of this thread. It's even better than the GT4 being delayed and neutered thread.
With 90 minutes you'd be fucked if you wanted to watch Dances with Wolves, Titanic, or Return of the King.
I know Sony wanted to one-up Nintendo with the PSP, but it's starting to seem more and more apparent that the PSP is just another in a line of overambitious handhelds that failed in some way or another against the GameBoy. Criticize Nintendo if you may for creating underpowered handhelds against the time they're released; for releasing an SNES-power handheld in an XBox age. But the GBA simply works, and is able to get by with battery power to spare and an attractive price point.
Sony should have drastically toned down the PSP during the design phase. A handheld with Dreamcast-level graphics, disk-based media, multimedia capabilities may sound awesome, but it seems that right now the technology isn't there to realistically support it. Sony should have aimed right for the SP/DS, not to overshoot themselves too early.
Sorry, I'm a moron. I meant more time; Sony themselves the thing would play movies for at least 2 hours.
So if the PSP is constantly spinning the disc and getting 2 hours out of use from the thing, how could it lose 25% of that time for playing a game?
I don't know, but I can't wait to laugh and find out their PR response to it.
PR responds to unsubstantiated rumors in any fashion other than flat-out denial? Interesting.
Watching a video only requires the processor to handle codec issues, which is an ever-constant kind of thing. Playing a video game is much more taking on the processor and GPU, requiring them to do more work. I'd say that playing a game for the PSP is a much harder task than playing video.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
I could see that, but only in the case where a game manages to constantly require more processor work... and since there's plenty of times when the game loads crap to RAM and doesn't need the disc to spin, I could see how there'd be periods of the device having less activity than playing a movie througout.
I donno. I'm not the ones with the dev kits or answers, I'm just wondering how a rumor is so readily embraced.
That could be true, but I can't help but wonder the validity of really any assessment like this given that developers aren't even using the hardware to make their stuff. I can't imagine they can do much testing with it either.
No, the motor that spins the drive and the laser diode use MUCH more energy than just operations and memory. Most games don't access the disc constantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
That's true, doshi, I forget how many years, decades practically, since Sony had a market-dominating portable electronic device.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Another great point Wilykat, there has been criticism of Nintendo in the past in the argument that they are INTENTIONALLY holding back the technological advancement of the portable gaming market because of the monopoly they have on it. But people sometimes fail to realize that there are really large technical and battery issues that have to be addressed first to make a portable system practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilykat
Comparing the original GB to the GameGear, the GG was far more advanced graphically but also required 6 instead of 4 double AA batteries that lasted 1/3 as long, was almost twice as big, much heavier, and more expensive. If this article is accurate, PSP is going through basically the exact same issues that eventually crippled the Game Gear and it was overwhelmed by the technologically inferior GB because of how much more practical it was in terms of portability, price point, and battery life.
And hell, jumping from the GBA's 16-bit-ish power to the DS' Nintendo 64-esque output is probably the biggest technologicl jump portable gaming sytems have yet had. DS should be plenty powerful.
I really hope Sony can get some of these issues sorted out before unleashing a faulty system on the Japanese market to basically beta test before the worldwide launch next year. The thought that someone could actually fall asleep playing this thing in bed and it might set their mattress on fire is disturbingly hilarious. :lol:
They should have called it the PlayMan, and said it was a merging of their two most recognisable brands. Then if Nintendo bitched about PlayMan referencing GameBoy, Sony could bitch that the GameBoy was a reference to the WalkMan anyway (which it was).
Oh... and they should've made sure that the hardware didn't suck.
"They should have called it the PlayMan"
Yeah but then the name would be really stupid ;p I'm actually a bit bummed about all this news. There's going to be worthwhile games on the system (I think), and not being able to play them on account that the system sucks is too bad.
90 minute batteries? Overheating? Back to the drawing board.
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Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Maybe if you hold it upside down it'll work.
Good. I wouldn't watch any of those movies anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
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Originally Posted by AstroBlue
I set the play up, throw long, and BAM you get the OH SNAP touchdown. What a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
So you can enjoy movies under 90 mins, which is pretty much just Disney animated films.
PSP is teh kiddy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
Dumbo, Sword in the Stone, Bambi? Sounds ultra kiddy.
I'd take Lilo & Stitch and Lion King over those anyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
Lion King barely makes it in at 88 minutes. No Monsters Inc. or Finding Nemo however.
Historically protables have been decided by battery life and price and size, looks like DS will beat PSP (assuming Sony works out kinks) anyways.
I can just see it now. "Quick, quick, re-charge the PSP! We have two minutes to go!" |-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
I imagine that the power consumption on movies would be a little lower since it's less demanding on the hardware.
But they are constantly streaming from the disc, and that sucks up battery life, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
yeah, the streaming is exactly what kills the battery. moving parts and all. gta style games, with a huge, constantly streaming environment won't work on the psp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
So the single biggest advantage Sony has had on everyone else for the last several years just got flushed. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode